Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

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Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:52 pm

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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:01 pm

ok, can we have some context here? worse off then.... psychopaths?
or compulsive liars? murders? boy scouts? young republicans?

give us some context...

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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:54 pm

Meno_ wrote:?


i think they'll be fine
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Sculptor » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:35 am

Meno_ wrote:?

Only when they get caught
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:34 am

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I think the OP meant, worse off than non-kleptomaniacs.

They are compelled to steal, like nymphomaniacs are compelled to, you know..
Once a kleptomaniac has been discovered, they will never be seen as trustworthy again.
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:29 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:ok, can we have some context here? worse off then.... psychopaths?
or compulsive liars? murders? boy scouts? young republicans

give us some context...

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Peter, Ure n target. Tied f inquiring in what the contexts are, within which the need of taking things occurs. , it may be better to reword it, to under what conditions does it occur
The conditions vary, significantly, as the condition changes linearly from bad to worse, or from better to worse.

Legally. Psychologically and socially , the 'contexts' interact to firm a dynamic, which can represent the whole person. as an interactive rn yodel that impinges on other personality traits.
After the personality is more closely observed, then the more elemental I believe, contextual picture can be raised, as it emerges in a black and white contextual way-such as relevance, or within a certain bounded spacial configuration
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:31 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:
Meno_ wrote:?


i think they'll be fine




They would be? Even if their activity goes on for a long time, will their conscience notbother them?
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:33 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Meno_ wrote:?

Only when they get caught




Is it better if they get caught, as a stopgap effort to to stymie their behavior, or will it?
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:43 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
I think the OP meant, worse off than non-kleptomaniacs.

They are compelled to steal, like nymphomaniacs are compelled to, you know..
Once a kleptomaniac has been discovered, they will never be seen as trustworthy again.




MarsH I think that an either or situation pertaining it may mirror a judge's problem in adjudicating the guilt or innocence of kleptomaniacs. A hurried look at a store camera, may give the type of impression, a detective may
gather, without any other indication used, and survellience being the primary evaluative tool.
But how does a general pattern of such behavior prevent the possible view that prosecuting klepto behavior may in fact be counter productive?
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Gloominary » Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:20 pm

Not if they're kleptocrats.
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:59 am

What if you just like to steal a little sometimes but you aren't crazy about it? Is that still kleptomania or no?
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Berkley Babes » Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:08 am

I'm guessing he means the compulsory act is more of a burden than the objects are lost.
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:16 pm

Kleptomaniacs have to go back and make redeams. Next time , there never should.be the next time even though they know that is as futile, as it is regressive, for every time becomes proof of diminishing returns.
Marx was right. Socialism is the only way to avoid this obsession..


Kleptos have keener insight into the many folded partial tangencies of disposession, so abrupt and antisocial , while wondering up and down, trying to do time in, near where it all began.

No time , though, now with the Persian across the street holding a little boy ran some.He gives a shot you gather? Not the least bit, he stole that precious naive, as one could flinch a minis second, unbelievedly sudden and intrusive arms, aimed directly to heart,

Taken.
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:23 pm

Berkley Babes wrote:I'm guessing he means the compulsory act is more of a burden than the objects are lost.




You're not kidding on that one, the act like a slight minion, throwing upward some worthless shard , breaking the light into inauthentic shows of dishonest muted colors, end up as the objects of unrequited simile.

Like abbey Hoffman's guide to literacy: please steal this book.

Backward and trite and maybe somewhat tarnished due to time's vagrant rust, go green with envy. Admit it, it betakes the ice castle's subterranian channels, fearing the spacious underground below the berg.
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby MagsJ » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:25 pm

Meno_ wrote:
MagsJ wrote:I think the OP meant, worse off than non-kleptomaniacs.

They are compelled to steal, like nymphomaniacs are compelled to, you know..
Once a kleptomaniac has been discovered, they will never be seen as trustworthy again.
MarsH I think that an either or situation pertaining it may mirror a judge's problem in adjudicating the guilt or innocence of kleptomaniacs. A hurried look at a store camera, may give the type of impression, a detective may
gather, without any other indication used, and survellience being the primary evaluative tool.
But how does a general pattern of such behavior prevent the possible view that prosecuting klepto behavior may in fact be counter productive?

What do past case studies tell us? Has therapy ever worked?

Kleptomaniacs steal to activate their reward centre.. free highs, baby!
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Berkley Babes » Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:23 pm

I admit it
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:12 pm

Berkley Babes wrote:I admit it



I don't believe it. at any rate,it's probably a cover for something far worse and I disincline to believe in letting that cat out.
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Berkley Babes » Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:22 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Berkley Babes wrote:I admit it



I don't believe it. at any rate,it's probably a cover for something far worse and I disincline to believe in letting that cat out.


Far worse. I admit that, too!
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:56 am

Would You believe that far worse can actually bring up an antidote?
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Berkley Babes » Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:05 am

I'll believe in anything at this point.

Would you believe you're one of 5 people i keep up a conversation with in life. :-"
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:26 am

MagsJ wrote:Kleptomaniacs steal to activate their reward centre.. free highs, baby!

..and free goods.. unless you get caught.. then you only get nuthin but time.. in jail.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:52 pm

MagsJ wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Kleptomaniacs steal to activate their reward centre.. free highs, baby!

..and free goods.. unless you get caught.. then you only get nuthin but time.. in jail.





Yes, but are they worse off?
Worse off then before they acquires it?

Before, way before, they reas -No exit'- they were happy puppies. They said well. They could stay in their self appointed space. There was no Muslem Brotherhood
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:59 pm

MagsJ wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Kleptomaniacs steal to activate their reward centre.. free highs, baby!

..and free goods.. unless you get caught.. then you only get nuthin but time.. in jail.





Yes, but are they worse off?
Worse off then before .
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:47 pm

Meno_ wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Kleptomaniacs steal to activate their reward centre.. free highs, baby!

..and free goods.. unless you get caught.. then you only get nuthin but time.. in jail.
Yes, but are they worse off?
Worse off then before .

Only their conscience can tell them, as it is impossible for another to think themselves in that same situation, so as to know or not, whether a person who seeks sensory highs benefits from those highs in the long run.

Does the reward override the guilt, in such types?
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Huh! - MagsJ
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Re: Are kleptomaniacs worse off ?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:28 am

That's the thing. It is not that they appear to have a diminished sense of conscience, but it is in a sense at times a form of self punishment based on an over the top become compatible to the process of deconstruction

Their moral aspirations take a backseat , or a second tier effort to a minor key.

Suzanne Langer suggested. as much:


"Symbolism was the 'new key' to understanding how the human mind transformed the primal need to express oneself."


The act of a kleptomaniac may symbolize the struggle to weigh the act with the reward on a less then fully conscious level, on the symbolic similar levels of values/goods to be exchanged. so as to evaluate the element of unconscious risk taking to the level that may be am antidote to primal , more literal guilt


Lady Machbet's obsessive handwashing may cover a far more serious debt , where indebtedness was actually a serious crime in them England.

Kleptomania is very similar to an obsessive need to create some kind of balance betweem the act and the resulting moral confusion about it,merely as a litmus test of such balance, so as to escape the slippery sloped justification to let it roll-dowm into the misunderstood depths of uncontrolled prior unmanageable sets of circumstances.

In an era of uncertain and unrecognized phenomenal causation, a nuance or a suggestive semblence may more likely to help avoid such rolll,
and help create an effect that may actually counter the myth of sysyphus.



Note: my references are only indications of learning to fill the gaps between existential and those underlying issues which may block a relationship betweem subconscious and conscious elements in the comstruction of guilt
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