Is Iambiguous...

The origins of the imperative, "know thyself", are lost in the sands of time, but the age-old examination of human consciousness continues here.

Is Iambiguous...

objectively an objectivist?
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50%
subjectively an objectivist?
0
No votes
annoyingly an objectionist?
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13%
a GROOTionist?
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Total votes : 8

Is Iambiguous...

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:28 am

This said scientific research was conducted by WendyDarling for the Psychology Department of ILP and is more scientific than most of the day's competing research investigating what every philosopher online has always wondered about the infamous philosopher, Iambiguous, the controversy regarding his favored position (Stop with the dirty thoughts!) for the last ten, long years. Unarguably, the best idea of my day and I look forward to the statistics of truth from all rational philosophers and those under that delusion.

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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:47 am

We'll need a context of course.
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:50 am

iambiguous wrote:We'll need a context of course.


A familiar groot. Are you voting as a GROOTionist?
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:19 am

No, no, seriously.

We need a discussion that revolves around something more specific. And in particular relating to that which brings me to ILP in the first place: morality here and now, immortality there and then.

You can choose the subject or I can note one from one of my many posts.

Then we can attempt to pin down distinctions between an objectivist and a subjectivist frame of mind. Here however groots are just arguments that I believe are of particular importance in framing my argument. You can never use them too much.

As for the role of science, they don't call psychology one of the "soft sciences" for nothing.

Beside, as I point out time and again, who really knows with any precision where psychology rooted on genes ends and psychology rooted in memes begins. Let alone the individual idiosyncrasies rooted in dasein.

So, we'll just plug away as best we can. Vacillating as always [with the Pedros here] between actual substance and yak yak yak, fulminating fanatic bullshit.

Then we can create a poll to vote on that.
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:33 am

iambiguous wrote:No, no, seriously.

We need a discussion that revolves around something more specific. And in particular relating to that which brings me to ILP in the first place: morality here and now, immortality there and then.

You can choose the subject or I can note one from one of my many posts.

Then we can attempt to pin down distinctions between an objectivist and a subjectivist frame of mind. Here however groots are just arguments that I believe are of particular importance in framing my argument. You can never use them too much.

As for the role of science, they don't call psychology one of the "soft sciences" for nothing.

Beside, as I point out time and again, who really knows with any precision where psychology rooted on genes ends and psychology rooted in memes begins. Let alone the individual idiosyncrasies rooted in dasein.

So, we'll just plug away as best we can. Vacillating as always [with the Pedros here] between actual substance and yak yak yak, fulminating fanatic bullshit.

Then we can create a poll to vote on that.

We?
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:39 am

WendyDarling wrote:We?


As usual, this being the Psychology and Mind board, Wendy goes the extra mile to make sure that her point is well thought out.
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:04 am

iambiguous wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:We?


As usual, this being the Psychology and Mind board, Wendy goes the extra mile to make sure that her point is well thought out.

A polemicist groot only used twice so far today that I know of but who can keep track of all of Biggums repetitive groots.
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:06 am

WendyDarling wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:We?


As usual, this being the Psychology and Mind board, Wendy goes the extra mile to make sure that her point is well thought out.

A polemicist groot only used twice so far today that I know of but who can keep track of all of Biggums repetitive groots.


Who would have guessed that this thread is just another example of what the yak yak yak Kids here are trying to turn ILP into?!

You know, besides me. =D>
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:27 am

Biggles, check the stats?

The objectivist runs strong in you.
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:03 am

WendyDarling wrote:Biggles, check the stats?

The objectivist runs strong in you.


What the fuck does this even mean? :lol:

Move over, Pedro!!!

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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:28 am

WendyDarling wrote:
iambiguous wrote:No, no, seriously.

We need a discussion that revolves around something more specific. And in particular relating to that which brings me to ILP in the first place: morality here and now, immortality there and then.

You can choose the subject or I can note one from one of my many posts.

Then we can attempt to pin down distinctions between an objectivist and a subjectivist frame of mind. Here however groots are just arguments that I believe are of particular importance in framing my argument. You can never use them too much.

As for the role of science, they don't call psychology one of the "soft sciences" for nothing.

Beside, as I point out time and again, who really knows with any precision where psychology rooted on genes ends and psychology rooted in memes begins. Let alone the individual idiosyncrasies rooted in dasein.

So, we'll just plug away as best we can. Vacillating as always [with the Pedros here] between actual substance and yak yak yak, fulminating fanatic bullshit.

Then we can create a poll to vote on that.

We?

Perfect. Caught the narcissism/solipsism in a one word response.

We need....
he begins at the top of the quote (after, no, no seriously). The 'we' is a universalist claim. The 'need' is an objectivist claim, where his preference/value is being confused with a need. And that this simple beginning is actually reflected in the way he 'responds' to other posters and in threads is completely lost on him.

It should go without saying that I don’t think I have demonstrated he is an objectivist. But the two word opening of his post does capture his way of posting just so succinctly. Everything anyone writes seems to confirm his issue and his life history starting in the belly of the working class is relevant. Here's what we need to talk about.


Well, no, actually, that's just your desire you are objectifying and universalizing.
It seems very hard for him to ue the honest and accurate 'I want....' from his universalist objectivist 'We need....' You would think that after a decade of railing against objectivism he would have honed his posting down to such a simple honest expression. 'I want us to discuss....' even if the thread or the post is about something else.

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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:45 pm

Something iambiguous fails to appreciate is the motion / object dichotomy. Like light being a wave and a particle. Subject is the motion. Object is the stasis.

When I see a jogger on the street, it is a moving object.

I actually don’t think iambiguous is a deep thinker, iambiguous has a schtick that he thinks is a rhetorical (objectively so) masterpiece.

But he really doesn’t think much about existence, like others who explore it with bravery actually do.

Iambiguous is living in the comfort of his construct, it consoles iambiguous to this regard, in his psychology...

This cognitive dissonance in him projects the accusation of consolation to others who are actually the courageous ones.

Every time I define objectivity and objective things to iambiguous, iambiguous is incapable of that leap.

I define it thusly: when you see something and no matter what occurs forever, you’ll no longer change you mind, then it is objective. It’s built into the fabric of existence just like a triangle has three sides... it’s there without sentience, but every time sentience discovers it (and it will always eventually be discovered), the mind is never changed no matter what more is learned forever.

I also tell iambiguous that moral problems are like mathematic proofs... it takes LOTS of REALLY hard actual work to discover them. From the perspective of iambiguous, since we still have outstanding moral puzzles that haven’t been solved or that our first attempt at proofs were shown to have flaws, that ALL mathematical and moral proofs must be false.

Iambiguous at his core is a lazy ass person who doesn’t move anyone forward and has no courage to do the actual work of the human species. He’s a parasite who feels intellectually threatened and ego threatened by the bravery of all these people actually making things happen (real things) everyday.

And, yes Karpel, iambiguous is a narcissist with a fragile ego at core.

That’s why when iambiguous thinks that when he was incorrect about one thing once in his life, that everyone is and will always be wrong about everything.
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:20 pm

iambiguous wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Biggles, check the stats?

The objectivist runs strong in you.


What the fuck does this even mean, Pedro?


It means you'se a punk.
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:22 pm

First of all, yet another brand new thread started here by either one of the Kids or one of my Stooges...with iambiguous as the subject!

Now that's entertainment!!

I love it!!!

Look, I know that tormenting and then humiliating these poor souls speaks volumes regarding my own character. And, really, a part of me is in fact rather embarrassed by it.

But, given the decrepit state that ILP is in now [thanks largely to them], a bigger part of me just can't resist making fools out of them...

iambiguous wrote:No, no, seriously.

We need a discussion that revolves around something more specific. And in particular relating to that which brings me to ILP in the first place: morality here and now, immortality there and then.

You can choose the subject or I can note one from one of my many posts.

Then we can attempt to pin down distinctions between an objectivist and a subjectivist frame of mind. Here however groots are just arguments that I believe are of particular importance in framing my argument. You can never use them too much.

As for the role of science, they don't call psychology one of the "soft sciences" for nothing.

Beside, as I point out time and again, who really knows with any precision where psychology rooted on genes ends and psychology rooted in memes begins. Let alone the individual idiosyncrasies rooted in dasein.

So, we'll just plug away as best we can. Vacillating as always [with the Pedros here] between actual substance and yak yak yak, fulminating fanatic bullshit.

Then we can create a poll to vote on that.


WendyDarling wrote:We?


Curly1 wrote: Perfect. Caught the narcissism/solipsism in a one word response.


What else:

But if you come and say God says iambiguous is not a narcissist/solipsist, or you have a logical proof (somehow) a secular one that proves iambiguous is not a narcissist/solipsist, I will not override my revulsion that he is. Because that revulsion is, at least now, more me than a bunch of words on a page that seem, even to me, logical.

At least now.

Note to Wendy, the Kids and all of my other Stooges here:

Curly's conclusions about me are derived from his "visceral, intuitive, deep-down-inside-me" Self.

What do you derive yours from? You know, as Kids and Stooges.

As for "we", there was nothing either "universalist" or "binary" about it. I was merely referring to the members of our own beloved community. 8)
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:27 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Biggles, check the stats?

The objectivist runs strong in you.


What the fuck does this even mean, Pedro?


It means you'se a punk.


Okay, so that only leaves prophet, genius, billionaire and traitor before I'm the next Mark Zuckerberg!

On the other hand, where does that leave you? :lol:
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:45 pm

Okay, here's where we stand...

With four votes in, three claim that I am probably "objectively an objectivist".

So, back to this:

We need a discussion that revolves around something more specific. And in particular relating to that which brings me to ILP in the first place: morality here and now, immortality there and then.

You can choose the subject or I can note one from one of my many posts.

Then we can attempt to pin down distinctions between an objectivist and a subjectivist frame of mind. Here however groots are just arguments that I believe are of particular importance in framing my argument. You can never use them too much.

As for the role of science, they don't call psychology one of the "soft sciences" for nothing.

Beside, as I point out time and again, who really knows with any precision where psychology rooted on genes ends and psychology rooted in memes begins. Let alone the individual idiosyncrasies rooted in dasein.


In other words, is there at least a small chance that we can save this "exchange" from being but another "yak yak yak, social media" rendition of the poop thread?

Given a particular context, lets seriously explore what is thought to be an objectivist rather than a subjectivist frame of mind. With this very thread -- perhaps -- we can pull together and turn ILP around. We can confront Grace Slick with, "the idiots don't have to win".

Or, sure, perhaps I have already embarrassed you enough. Especially those here without a "condition". And the thread will just tumble down into nothingness on page 5 or 6.
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby Mr J » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:45 pm

He's an objectivist that pretends he's not an objectivist and camouflages himself as a nihilist hoping nobody will notice his real identity or beliefs. In other words, he's a phoney. 8)
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:05 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:He's an objectivist that pretends he's not an objectivist and camouflages himself as a nihilist hoping nobody will notice his real identity or beliefs. In other words, he's a phoney. 8)


Here's a "joker" I have made a fool of over and over again on thread after thread after thread. You know, if I do say so myself. Though not quite a Kid, he is definitely one of my Stooges. And with Zero_Brains -- in his exchanges with me -- clearly still one of the fulminating fanatics who comes in here only to vent against all the scumbag liberals. Why? Because there is not a goddamn thing he either can or will do against the Deep State forces that really do fuck him. And [ironically enough] most of the rest of us too. Instead, he's like Gloominary decked from head to toe in a clown costume.

And, as with satyr and phoneutria and pedro and so many others, I have given him ample opportunity to stop being just a "smart ass" clown and exchange something at least in the general vicinity of philosophy.

In fact [along with so many other threads] he is up here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&start=50
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:15 pm

Biggie wrote
With four votes in, three claim that I am probably "objectively an objectivist".

There is only a "probably" in your world (not THE world) lacking of intellectual integrity.

This is a primo example of Biggie refusing to accept reality as it is. Biggie says it's probably reality, but probably not too, right, unless I'm incorrect?

Biggie, four votes in, is objectively an objectivist.
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby Mr J » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:17 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Here's a "joker" I have made a fool of over and over again on thread after thread after thread. You know, if I do say so myself. Though not quite a Kid, he is definitely one of my Stooges. And with Zero_Brains -- in his exchanges with me -- clearly still one of the fulminating fanatics who comes in here only to vent against all the scumbag liberals. Why? Because there is not a goddamn thing he either can or will do against the Deep State forces that really do fuck him. And [ironically enough] most of the rest of us too. Instead, he's like Gloominary decked from head to toe in a clown costume.

And, as with satyr and phoneutria and pedro and so many others, I have given him ample opportunity to stop being just a "smart ass" clown and exchange something at least in the general vicinity of philosophy.

In fact [along with so many other threads] he is up here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&start=50


Even in his own words and writings he's always objectively right about everything where he can do no wrong, everybody else is always wrong, guy has no fucking humility at all.
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:25 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Biggie wrote
With four votes in, three claim that I am probably "objectively an objectivist".

There is only a "probably" in your world, not THE world, lacking of intellectual integrity.


I was just trying to give you the option of recognizing that, as Karpel Tunnel insists, questions like this are not necessarily "binary".

Except for the pinhead objectivists who ever and always do turn moral and political value judgments into "one of us" [the good guys] and "one of them" [the bad guys].

How silly of me. :lol:
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby Mr J » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:28 pm

iambiguous wrote:
I was just trying to give you the option of recognizing that, as Karpel Tunnel insists, questions like this are not necessarily "binary".

Except for the pinhead objectivists who ever and always do turn moral and political value judgments into "one of us" [the good guys] and "one of them" [the bad guys].

How silly of me. :lol:


Dude, with your own neo-liberal political statements you make yourself as the good guy where everybody else who dissents are bad. You're a very bad hypocrite. C'mon man, you're not even a good liar, I mean, just look at you. 8)
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:31 pm

iambiguous wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Biggie wrote
With four votes in, three claim that I am probably "objectively an objectivist".

There is only a "probably" in your world, not THE world, lacking of intellectual integrity.


I was just trying to give you the option of recognizing that, as Karpel Tunnel insists, questions like this are not necessarily "binary".

Except for the pinhead objectivists who ever and always do turn moral and political value judgments into "one of us" [the good guys] and "one of them" [the bad guys].

How silly of me. :lol:


It wasn't set up as binary, duh. My issue with you and your ilk is the lack of intellectual integrity.
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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby phoneutria » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:35 pm

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Re: Is Iambiguous...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:38 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Here's a "joker" I have made a fool of over and over again on thread after thread after thread. You know, if I do say so myself. Though not quite a Kid, he is definitely one of my Stooges. And with Zero_Brains -- in his exchanges with me -- clearly still one of the fulminating fanatics who comes in here only to vent against all the scumbag liberals. Why? Because there is not a goddamn thing he either can or will do against the Deep State forces that really do fuck him. And [ironically enough] most of the rest of us too. Instead, he's like Gloominary decked from head to toe in a clown costume.

And, as with satyr and phoneutria and pedro and so many others, I have given him ample opportunity to stop being just a "smart ass" clown and exchange something at least in the general vicinity of philosophy.

In fact [along with so many other threads] he is up here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&start=50


Even in his own words and writings he's always objectively right about everything where he can do no wrong, everybody else is always wrong, guy has no fucking humility at all.


One can easily imagine this "joker" who either can't or won't do anything against the rich and powerful fuckers that ream him up the ass along with all the rest of us, in his avatar persona, glowering at those here he can turn into scapegoats easily enough with his "world of words" harangues.

Oh, and just for the record [sigh] "even in my own words" I note time and again that in regard to "I" at the existential juncture of identiyt, value judgments and political economy, my own arguments here are no less existential contraptions rooted in dasein than his are.

I'm just less inclined to be that fulminating and fanatical Stooge/Kid he is. You know, in a philosophy forum.

Indeed, why the fuck is he even here when there are countless political forums out there he can do his "Joker thing" in with so many, many more there to "get the message". Or is he a "Joker" in all of those too?

No, seriously.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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