Urwrongx1000 and the objectivist mind

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Re: Urwrongx1000 and the objectivist mind

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:42 pm

Bob wrote:
Urwrongx1000 wrote:First lesson of politics:

Never admit you're wrong.

So, no, I have never been wrong, politically.

That is quite sad, to be honest.

Over the years I have often been so wrong. In my youth I was so ignorant of so much, now I look back and shudder because I am getting other perspectives better than I did before.

That still doesn't mean I am right, it means I am now better aware of the complexity of issues.


K: I too was young once and I believed I was never wrong, politically or otherwise...
this growing old stuff tends to bring about a wisdom...I am wrong, quite often
and I have suffered from and learned much from failure... In fact, I would say
I have learned far more from my failures then I did from my successes....

to be young is to hold that the world is black and white.. to be old is to realize
that the world is shades of gray....

I have a sad story... at work we have this old women who wanders around during the day,
most likely because she doesn't really have anywhere to go, one time she asked me
a question and I gave her the wrong answer.. mind you this was weeks and weeks ago...

the other day she comes up to my checkstand, while I am with another customer,
and she says in a really loud voice, "I am here to tell you that you are wrong"
the customer and I looked at each other, and I turned to the old lady and said,
"I am wrong quite often, its the curse of being human" and she was surprised that
I admitted it... I think she was ready to engage me in some sort of
he said, she said... but I admitted the charge, she had no where to go...
but the really sad part is that this women has so little in her life that
she has to engage me with a mistake I made weeks ago...

how sad that my mistake weeks ago is something that she still
thinks about, dwells on, approaches me about.....let it go... but
she can't......we are often victims of our own thinking.. as she is a victim
of her own thinking.....I can admit I am wrong.. and it won't cost me
a second of sleep at night....my self worth isn't found in my being right or wrong....
for I am as often right as I am wrong....and my self worth isn't found in my successes
or my many failures....... my self worth is found in my knowing who I am,
and in my seeking what is possible for me.... I follow Socrates...

"to know thyself" and "the unexamined life isn't worth living"...

I engage with both of those propositions every single day.. and my self worth is
found in my engagement with them.....not in my being right or wrong....

Kropotkin
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Re: Urwrongx1000 and the objectivist mind

Postby Bob » Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:35 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: I too was young once and I believed I was never wrong, politically or otherwise...
this growing old stuff tends to bring about a wisdom...I am wrong, quite often
and I have suffered from and learned much from failure... In fact, I would say
I have learned far more from my failures then I did from my successes....

to be young is to hold that the world is black and white.. to be old is to realize
that the world is shades of gray....

I have a sad story... at work we have this old women who wanders around during the day,
most likely because she doesn't really have anywhere to go, one time she asked me
a question and I gave her the wrong answer.. mind you this was weeks and weeks ago...

the other day she comes up to my checkstand, while I am with another customer,
and she says in a really loud voice, "I am here to tell you that you are wrong"
the customer and I looked at each other, and I turned to the old lady and said,
"I am wrong quite often, its the curse of being human" and she was surprised that
I admitted it... I think she was ready to engage me in some sort of
he said, she said... but I admitted the charge, she had no where to go...
but the really sad part is that this women has so little in her life that
she has to engage me with a mistake I made weeks ago...

how sad that my mistake weeks ago is something that she still
thinks about, dwells on, approaches me about.....let it go... but
she can't......we are often victims of our own thinking.. as she is a victim
of her own thinking.....I can admit I am wrong.. and it won't cost me
a second of sleep at night....my self worth isn't found in my being right or wrong....
for I am as often right as I am wrong....and my self worth isn't found in my successes
or my many failures....... my self worth is found in my knowing who I am,
and in my seeking what is possible for me.... I follow Socrates...

"to know thyself" and "the unexamined life isn't worth living"...

I engage with both of those propositions every single day.. and my self worth is
found in my engagement with them.....not in my being right or wrong....

Kropotkin

You know, I hear it often said that people get wise at my age, but I meet a lot of people (even more online) who are my age, and they still have some of that brashness that suggests that they can't be wrong. I, too, find myself checking up on myself after throwing a fit. It is good to realise that we need introspection, and need to breathe in deeply before we speak in anger. I learned quite early in life that I was hopeless in a fit.

Looking at political issues, I'm always glad for another piece of the puzzle, because I don't read all the newspapers or the books on current affairs. I can't know what politicians know, even less what people in office know. I can only lead my life in the area in which I am at home as well as I can and be open to further information and advice.
The only wisdom we can hope to acquire
Is the wisdom of humility: humility is endless.
TS Eliot
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