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Re: Personality Models

Postby Gloominary » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:40 pm

phoneutria wrote:nah it just sounds like you've never read Jung's theory of personality

it's related to whether the thinking is outwards or inwards
INTJs thinking extrovertedly means that their thinking involves the world
a perspective of the whole
as opposed to introverted thinking which does the reverse
and brings the world into the frame of the self, how the world fits into that person

Yup, a bogus and convoluted explanation, or series of illogical assertions, just as I suspected.
'The listener's dominant function is talking, but talking doesn't mean talking, it means responding in a dynamic way, the talker's dominant function is listening, but listening doesn't mean listening, it means reacting in a static way'.
Sure...
How bout instead, X = X.
Furthermore, all this sounds more like perception models, how we process information, than personality models.
You may try to infer personality from perception, or perception from personality, but fundamentally perception is what you're dealing with.
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Re: Personality Models

Postby phoneutria » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:47 pm

why don't you just read the theory and try to understand it, dude
you sound like an idiot calling something bogus that you've never read
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Re: Personality Models

Postby Gloominary » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:49 pm

phoneutria wrote:why don't you just read the theory and try to understand it, dude
you sound like an idiot calling something bogus that you've never read

I've already studied some of it, both online and from a book.

I think you're just blindly following it, you've never critically given it much thought.
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Re: Personality Models

Postby phoneutria » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:55 pm

so bOgUs aNd cOnVolUtEd
like evolution theory is so stupid man
like how come there's still monkeys if we evolved from them
how about x = x
monkeys are monkeys and humans are humans alright
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Re: Personality Models

Postby Gloominary » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:10 pm

phoneutria wrote:so bOgUs aNd cOnVolUtEd
like evolution theory is so stupid man
like how come there's still monkeys if we evolved from them
how about x = x
monkeys are monkeys and humans are humans alright

Evolutionary theory: x evolved into y over time.
MBTI: X is Y.
See the difference?

Evolutionary theory is not hotly contested in academia, MBTI is.
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Re: Personality Models

Postby phoneutria » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:14 pm

i'm not saying it's contested
i'm saying your criticism is shit

a proper answer would have been

"it's true i really don't know what i'm talking about
and I shouldn't have barged in here sounding like a jackass
i will go read more about it and come back with intelligent criticism"

unless you actually do enjoy making a fool of yourself
in which case, by all means, continue
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Re: Personality Models

Postby Gloominary » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:40 pm

phoneutria wrote:i'm not saying it's contested
i'm saying your criticism is shit

a proper answer would have been

"it's true i really don't know what i'm talking about
and I shouldn't have barged in here sounding like a jackass
i will go read more about it and come back with intelligent criticism"

unless you actually do enjoy making a fool of yourself
in which case, by all means, continue

But I have studied it.
If I'm wrong about something, you, the supposed expert, should be able to easily refute me by dropping some knowledge on me, so why don't you?
I think it's because you can't.
From what I've gathered, the claims they make aren't backed up by anything, it's just a series of unsubstantiated assertions, but if I'm wrong, prove it, then I will admit I need to study more and reassess my opinion of it.
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Re: Personality Models

Postby Gloominary » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:45 pm

I don't need to study something in its entirety to form a meaningful opinion of it.
What I studied was pretty crappy, and from that I can presume the rest is probably pretty crappy too.
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Re: Personality Models

Postby Gloominary » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:46 pm

Have you studied it in its entirety?
Prove it.
Drop some knowledge on me, prove me wrong.
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Re: Personality Models

Postby Gloominary » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:48 pm

The fact that lots of psychologists disagree with it also proves that it's probably pretty shoddy.
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Re: Personality Models

Postby phoneutria » Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:00 pm

i'm not an expert in personality theory
but i can tell bullshit when i see it
and it's not my job to teach you
nor do i feel the need to prove anything to you
also a lot of people believe the earth is flat
that is a non argument

if anyone else wants to humor this dude
please be my guest
i got shit to do
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Re: Personality Models

Postby phoneutria » Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:03 pm

also INTJ dominant function is introverted intuition
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Re: Personality Models

Postby Gloominary » Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:23 pm

phoneutria wrote:i'm not an expert in personality theory
but i can tell bullshit when i see it
and it's not my job to teach you
nor do i feel the need to prove anything to you
also a lot of people believe the earth is flat
that is a non argument

if anyone else wants to humor this dude
please be my guest
i got shit to do

So you don't need to study something in its entirety to form a positive opinion of it and commend it, but I do need to study something in its entirety to form a negative opinion of it and criticize it?
And the opinion of psychologists is equal to the opinion of flat eathers?
So you're agnostic regarding what the shape of the earth is?
Or perhaps you spent a life time studying the shape of the earth to know the subject in its entirety before coming to the conclusion that what, it's flat, it's round?
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a 'trust the experts no matter what' sort of person, but still what they say carries weight with me, and then if I go examine it for myself and also find flaws, that further proves to me that the thing is probably deeply flawed, even tho I don't know the whole thing inside and out.
Some theories are so convoluted you can never know the whole thing in its entirety, you examine what you can, then assess as best you can, while also considering what others including the experts have to say.
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Re: Personality Models

Postby Gloominary » Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:57 pm

phoneutria wrote:also INTJ dominant function is introverted intuition

Still, they extrovertly think more than they introvertly think, even tho they're introverts.
And they introvertly intuit more than they introvertly think because why?
Do they introvertly, intuitively or thinkingly judge?
Why not?
Do they judgingly think or intuit?
I used to be really into this thing for a year or two years ago, I visited many sites and forums, skimmed through an official book on the subject, and I never saw any explanation as to why anything.
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Re: Personality Models

Postby Gloominary » Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:04 pm

I mean if some feel it works for them, fine, just saying why I think it's bunk.
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Re: Personality Models

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:35 am

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Re: Personality Models

Postby phoneutria » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:58 pm

I'll do it for $100/h
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Re: Personality Models

Postby promethean75 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:51 pm

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Re: Personality Models

Postby phoneutria » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:19 pm

great post, prom
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Re: Personality Models

Postby promethean75 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:55 pm

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Re: Personality Models

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:08 pm

promethean75 wrote:That's not a bad deal, Reas. You're a pretty simple guy and she'd be done in what, five minutes tops? So you'd only pay like fifty bucks, especially if an hour wuz only like ten minutes instead of sixty but it isnt so you probably won't pay that or whatever.

Unless she has a minimum


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Re: Personality Models

Postby MagsJ » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:15 am

Gloominary wrote:I mean if some feel it works for them, fine, just saying why I think it's bunk.

Is 16personalities accurate?

That said, the MBTI (16 Personalities) Test is based on a good amount of well-researched concepts with empirical data backing it up, and is derived from Jung's theory of personality. So I'd say it is one of the more accurate and valid tests of personality.
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