Happiness comes from within:

The origins of the imperative, "know thyself", are lost in the sands of time, but the age-old examination of human consciousness continues here.

Happiness comes from within:

Postby Dan~ » Sat May 16, 2020 9:58 pm

Happiness and pain come from within.
Our inner body generates things like happiness and pain due
to how it is hard wired. It is one of the things that makes humans human.

Imagine a very sensitive person.
You call them an ass-hat.
Oh you hurt my feelings so much.
But if they were not sensitive like that,
it would be ignorable nonsense.

The process of getting hurt is internal.
If you could control your system,
you could greatly decrease your pain.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby surreptitious75 » Sat May 16, 2020 11:27 pm

All psychological responses come from within because every emotion - postive and negative - is an internal brain state
I would however make a distinction between happiness and contentment because I think the latter is more sustainable
Happiness does not allow for any negativity at all whereas contentment allows for some negativity and so there is more flexibility
True happiness is therefore rather elusive and so is undesirable but true contentment is more practical and so is more attainable
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Dan~ » Sun May 17, 2020 8:57 pm

Agreed.
Contentment is more peaceful than happiness.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:koo

Postby Meno_ » Sun May 17, 2020 10:04 pm

Dan~ wrote:Happiness and pain come from within.
Our inner body generates things like happiness and pain due
to how it is hard wired. It is one of the things that makes humans human.

Imagine a very sensitive person.
You call them an ass-hat.
Oh you hurt my feelings so much.
But if they were not sensitive like that,
it would be ignorable nonsense.

The process of getting hurt is internal.
If you could control your system,
you could greatly decrease your pain.




Very true. Let me give You a bit from personal experience. I was extremely angry at a very mean and deceitful person that recently did grave damage to me and my family.I will not spell it out, the details are so shocking that they are beyond belief.
At any rate, I switched something off in my mind, and am convinced now more then ever, that somehow, I was able to overcome the horrible hate and sense of vengeance that kept me up at night.
I think it was a grace sent from beyond, not in the sense of a self induced state, but the ability not merely to let go of the negative feelings singularly, but a way like some thing or some ONE helping me from out of myself.
Then, a lightness surrounded my thinking, and thus formed an ability to forgive.
I hope it's lasting.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby surreptitious75 » Mon May 18, 2020 11:13 am

Anger is the most destructive of all emotions and is why I try to avoid it as much as possible
So well done Meno for not letting it get the better of you which it could so easily have done
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Mon May 18, 2020 3:43 pm

Dan~ wrote:Happiness and pain come from within.
Our inner body generates things like happiness and pain due
to how it is hard wired. It is one of the things that makes humans human.

Imagine a very sensitive person.
You call them an ass-hat.
Oh you hurt my feelings so much.
But if they were not sensitive like that,
it would be ignorable nonsense.

The process of getting hurt is internal.
If you could control your system,
you could greatly decrease your pain.
Wouldn't 'how you control your system' be hardwired? and/or dependent on what parenting, for example, you experienced? The Rumanian orphan never held and missing nutrients getting hardwired problems controlling their system, the controlling the system being a part of the system? Our neuroplastic brains having been affected on many levels from what is outside us, also.

Which is not to say that one should not try to improve one's way of reacting if you don't like how it feels.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby iambiguous » Mon May 18, 2020 5:23 pm

Very true. Let me give You a bit from personal experience. I was extremely angry at a very mean and deceitful person that recently did grave damage to me and my family. I will not spell it out, the details are so shocking that they are beyond belief.
At any rate, I switched something off in my mind, and am convinced now more then ever, that somehow, I was able to overcome the horrible hate and sense of vengeance that kept me up at night.
I think it was a grace sent from beyond, not in the sense of a self induced state, but the ability not merely to let go of the negative feelings singularly, but a way like some thing or some ONE helping me from out of myself.
Then, a lightness surrounded my thinking, and thus formed an ability to forgive.
I hope it's lasting.


On the other hand...

You might have channeled that anger into an action that evened the score. If only because mean and deceitful people will continue to make life hell for others until and unless they are stopped.

Imagine Karl Marx ripping up the Communist Manifesto and, instead, advising the workers of the world to relinquish their anger against the ruling class.

Or those today who are outraged by the policies of Donald Trump. Or those who are outraged by that outrage.

Like most things "human all too human" anger is a genetic/memetic construct that is situated existentially out in a particular context understood in a particular way.

What worked for you may or may not work for others. My contribution here is only to suggest that you communicate what works for you to others. But don't [as some do] then get up on the soapbox and insist that others are obligated to respond in the same way.

Anger? Acting on it? In my view, one more example of "you're right from your side and I'm right from mine".

Only [for me] right and wrong are profoundly problematic.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Mowk » Tue May 19, 2020 6:28 am

So too comes discontent. Go figure.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Dan~ » Tue May 19, 2020 9:59 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:Wouldn't 'how you control your system' be hardwired?

The control is hardwired, which is to control the hardwired.
It's cause on cause.


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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:27 pm

In order to understand that which we designate as "hard-wired" we have to give the feelings therefrom a name. Happiness may be a name for homeostasis well done, when complaints of the body, attended to, affect the mind with a sense of well-being.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:24 pm

When we can journey in to the child within, and without, or simply with, even if all our promises have been extinguished, (for some a disappointment can turn their drives, hard to defeatism)-and keep on playing.
That is the only thing that keeps my little grandson and me at play, even if I am allowed only an hour per month to see him.
That comes from the inside , where god lives , the inside that goes out and then back .
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:44 pm

Our brains/minds are hardwired to seek happiness from without.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:09 pm

Gloominary wrote:Our brains/minds are hardwired to seek happiness from without.




Without what?
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby MagsJ » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:39 pm

I think it’s a bit of both.. looking from within, then without.. and keep repeating, ad infinitum.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:26 pm

Again removed and revised, and again reading into it to such a monumental degree that it is laughable.

No acceptable criteria can explain inner bursts of hapinness, except by occasional bursts , stemming from inside, that is really, simultaneously outside.

But now proven,( at least to me) a source of unbelievable, mind boggling origin!
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:17 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Our brains/minds are hardwired to seek happiness from without.




Without what?


Out of or beyond the head/mind?
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:56 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Meno_ wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Our brains/minds are hardwired to seek happiness from without.




Without what?


Out of or beyond the head/mind?



Yes, happiness comes from out of the mind , or without mindfullness, but, who in the world can do that? Maybe only children and God?

But what gives me pause is the duplitious meaning of 'out of the mind'

It appears that only God can put his mind to thinking as children would.(in addition to all the different cognitive aspects that He possesses.


Besides, if that is not enough, phonetic similarity leads one to the inconclusive idea that out of mind can simultaneously mean


1 out of mind as in coming from out-there
2 out of mind meaning
enamating from mind
3 out of mind meaning. a transformating process: like out of mind come enlightenment
4 out of mind meaning insane to being out of sorts.

This poses a major challenge to the idea of intrinsic happiness because of the peculiar position that a categorical disposition of 'out of the mind may induce.

The cynic might say that the proposition entails contradictory meanings.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Dan~ » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:47 pm

It seems that a man will blame the outside world for his problems.
but he blames himself for his success.

What ever idea is more convenient to serve the ego.
This is why the truth is only of secondary importance.
Because fun and a freedom from pain takes center stage.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:41 pm

Dan~ wrote:It seems that a man will blame the outside world for his problems.
but he blames himself for his success.
There are certainly people who do this. There are people who do the opposite. There are people who are very complicated mixtures blaming/thanking others/the world and blaming taking pride in themselves.

What ever idea is more convenient to serve the ego.
Or the opposite in serving guilt or shame or self-hatred.
Sitting in blame rather than trying to solve the problem......anyway. That's terrible. But noticing and responding to what is being done to one, both positively and negatively, is simply mammalian realism.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Dan~ » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:06 pm

What ever idea is more convenient to serve the ego.
Or the opposite in serving guilt or shame or self-hatred.
Sitting in blame rather than trying to solve the problem......anyway. That's terrible. But noticing and responding to what is being done to one, both positively and negatively, is simply mammalian realism.


Sadness also comes from within.
You supply a good example.

Mammalian realism?
Most people defend themselves by claiming that they serve the truth / real situations.
Realism is a funny word.
Reallytruthyism should be a word, too.

In the world of ideas, truth is power.
In the world of action, power is truth.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:52 pm

Dan~ wrote:
What ever idea is more convenient to serve the ego.
Or the opposite in serving guilt or shame or self-hatred.
Sitting in blame rather than trying to solve the problem......anyway. That's terrible. But noticing and responding to what is being done to one, both positively and negatively, is simply mammalian realism.


Sadness also comes from within.
You supply a good example.

Mammalian realism?
Most people defend themselves by claiming that they serve the truth / real situations.
Realism is a funny word.
Reallytruthyism should be a word, too.

In the world of ideas, truth is power.
In the world of action, power is truth.




So, think before you act, for all practical purposes, right?

But how about those that seem impracticle but useful, such as living in an autonomous , spontaneous reality?

Could that be considered an inversion?


Dan said,


"In the world of ideas, truth is power.
In the world of action, power is truth."

In the world of power, truth may compel action, that may beget new possible ideas.

When push comes to shove.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Dan~ » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:56 pm

Meno_ wrote:So, think before you act, for all practical purposes, right?

But how about those that seem impracticle but useful, such as living in an autonomous , spontaneous reality?

Could that be considered an inversion?


Some things are developed almost entirely inside the human mind.
Those things are definitely think before you act type things.

Impracticle but useful things, those are of-course worthy of consideration.
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:17 pm

And then that leads into the problem of how useful, and how considerable, and how to consider.

That may drive back into the mammalian-reptile of indecision until proven otherwise, by a higher agency.
Back to an authotarian decision maker, who is more than happy to derive truth to advantage His and only His advantage.

And who knows what is practical as opposed to what may become objectively so, until it has been interned into an unfailing authority?
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Re: Happiness comes from within:

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:41 pm

Dan~ wrote:
Meno_ wrote:So, think before you act, for all practical purposes, right?

But how about those that seem impracticle but useful, such as living in an autonomous , spontaneous reality?

Could that be considered an inversion?


Some things are developed almost entirely inside the human mind.
Those things are definitely think before you act type things.

Impracticle but useful things, those are of-course worthy of consideration.



And most hypothetical consist of this kind of consideration, and initially appear impractical. Some are only considered objectively far down the line.

So think before You act do not yet contain their up ended, inverted significance. Is this a stretch? Maybe, but, initially what comes up, as some conflated uncertain thoughts which need to be validated by some higher order decision maker.
So this kind of happiness can only tune in to the happiness which assumes that higher order.

If this would or, could turn practical, why the church's failing to disprove Marx? Why do the support the capital of intrinsic primary hypothetical?

Why do they bother to dispossess, to burn witches , scientists (Bruno) , to preform rites like excommunication, exorcism, to de-objectify progressive thought, as antithetical to dialectical material reasoning?

The only reasonable assumption is, that defying authority, should not be thinkable, it must be based on absolute automatic response.

Is an automatically unthinkable objective respond really necessary to become practical?

That is the most basic self inclusive happiness that could come from that premise.

Can one be happy with such infallibility?

Next to such premise, Faust's sin was minimal. No wonder, sin leads to overwhelming temptation to defy and send God packing.


It is merely through the mystical rose of unreason, that God can really appear, through a gapless/gap, of absolutely imperceptibly transformed agency.
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Re: Happiness comes from within: Chris Angel

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Criss Angel and his family are taking the coronavirus pandemic one day at a time.

In a recent interview with Extra, the Las Vegas-based illusionist opened up about how he and partner Shaunyl Benson are focused on practicing social distancing at home with their sons Xristos Yanni, 17 months, and Johnny Crisstopher, 6 — especially given the context of their older child's ongoing cancer battle.


"Kids that are going through pediatric cancer obviously have the challenge of dealing with that but when you underscore that with the pandemic, it's really a double threat," said Angel, 52. "Families that have gone through pediatric cancer have been practicing hand washing, hand sanitizing, sanitizing areas when you go out to eat in a restaurant and social distancing."

"Because usually your child has immune-system deficiencies, and for Johnny Crisstopher and other children going through what he's going through, it can be dire — life-threatening," added the father of two.

"For the most part," he said, "we've been hunkering down at home and doing the quarantine thing because we don't want to take any chances with our son, except for when he goes to the hospital to do a blood transfusion or to Cure 4 The Kids here in Vegas two to three times a week. "




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"We've been really spending a lot of time [together as a] family," he continued. "We're trying to make the most of the situation and trying to provide incredible memories for Johnny Crisstopher and our other son, Xristos Yanni, so when they get older they can think about these times that were challenging, but we made something positive come from it: memories."


To that end, Angel explained that he has been focused on creating a "miniature world" for his sons, which he described as "an illusionary world" consisting in part of "a slot car and a train set."

In the meantime, the magician has also been working with his Johnny Crisstopher Children's Charitable Foundation to help benefit employees at Cure 4 The Kids' "wonderful pediatric clinic" in Las Vegas — many of whom have "lost their job" due to the ongoing global health crisis.


"They had to make decisions no one should ever be faced with: 'Am I gonna buy a drug to treat my son or daughter or am I gonna put food on the table?' " Angel told Extra, revealing that the foundation has helped by providing "over 50,000 meals for 150 families for approximately eight weeks" in an effort to "help these families in our community with this very difficult situation that they're in."



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Johnny was first diagnosed with leukemia in 2015, and had a brief remission before his dad revealed in early December that his child's cancer had come back.

Over the past six months, Angel and Benson have shared glimpses at Johnny's treatment and how they have been coping as a family, from trips together to explaining the condition to their son and keeping a positive outlook.

"We try to talk to him with optimism and hope and support and the big keyword — is everything for us — is love and God. Like faith," Angel said on The Doctors With Travis Stork podcast in March. "I believe if you have the faith of a mustard seed, you can move a mountain. We just want our son to be healed. And we believe he will be healed, and, so we talk to him in a way that … he can understand, but we keep it optimistic."

"We keep it with love and hope and I keep things for him incentivized so that he can get through these little hurdles, look forward to something, get through the next one," he continued.

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