Magnus Anderson wrote:But then, you disagreed with me. Why?
I expect anyone who agrees with what I said in the above to respond with a simple "Yes, that is true" and anyone who wants to add that they do not think that "choleric introvert" is an instance of a logical contradiction to respond with a simple "But I don't think this particular combination of terms is a contradiction."
But did I get that? I don't think so.
Instead, I get to hear about how what I say is "truer in geometry than it is in psychology". So what am I to think other than that you think that contradictions are "truer in geometry than they are in psychology"? I have no choice but to assume that you think that logic does not apply to psychological terms.
you assume
hm
The word "introvert" does not mean "not choleric". That's not my position. I don't know who told you that, but trust me, it is not my position (:
The word "square" does not mean "not circle" since there are things (such as hexagons) that are "not circles" and at the same time "not squares".
ok true i'll grant you that one
My position is that the two concepts, "choleric" and "introvert", do not overlap in the same exact way that the concept of "square" and the concept of "circle" do not overlap.
though they do overlap if you consider the transition from square to circle I wrote above
anyway, all of the four types come in introvert and extrovert form
Binary classification, you may say. Well, when it comes to temparements, it is actually a quaternary classification. Without such a classification, it is impossible to put people in one of the four groups. How many classes do you want? An infinite number of them? What's the point of having so many of them? But then, this isn't about MY method of classification. It's actually Greeks who came up with it and they just happened to settle for four classes in total -- no more and no less.
we need as many classes as necessary to comprehend all human behavior
and allow for distinction and grouping
but not as many as to cause redundancy
the greek method is useful in its limited way
like if a friend will introduce someone to you, and beforehand they tell you they're sanguine
you can go ahead and tell them you'd rather stay home
the ocean method actually has some decent scientific foundation to it
enough for me to consider it valid
i recommend looking into the technical bits of it if you care to
On the other hand, someone is either choleric or they are not. That's binary classification. You can also say, binary membership. A thing either belongs to a set or it does not. Without it, you can't say someone is choleric. Instead, you are forced to be verbose, in many cases unnecessarily, by making statements such as "John is 89% choleric". Nothing wrong with that sort of thing, it's just that it's not useful in every situation. Binary classification isn't evil. (And a method of classification cannot be true or false, it can only be useful or useless in relation to a goal.)
since there are infinite numbers between 0 and 1
the only way to categorize a person as one type rather than another
is when there is a distinct prevalence of one over the others
and then when there isn't a prevalence
you simply can't say that a person is either choleric or not
you have to settle for "kinda"
You are merely reasserting your opinion that the concept of "choleric" and the concept of "introvert" overlap. But do they? How are we going to resolve this without studying definitions? (Obviously, you don't want to bother with definitions. Nothing wrong with that per se, each one of us chooses how they are going to spend their time, but then, there can be no further discussion between the two of us on this particular subject.)
i'm cool with looking at a dictionary
you can make a case here if you want to, i'll read it
but then i'll just come back to you and say that's not what those words mean
that the meaning you are assigning to them is biased by your living experience and whatnot
and what a word means to you in particular is entirely of irrelevant to me