The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby pinkladydragon » Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:59 pm

I personally have experienced insomnia. It lasted for around a year. this, I think, because I was going through a really bad patch in my life. In the end, I started looking for ways out and, hitting upon relaxation therapies and meditation, recovered from the insomnia. There were, I think, other factors i.e. not only meditation and relaxation, which contributed to recovery. Oh, and not caring helped too. I'd say the mantra "I don't care if I am not sleeping" over and over again to myself. That took the emotionalism out of the situation and aided relaxation.

Something else which prevents a better night's sleep is indecision. Sometimes I find it better "to sleep on it", at other times it is better to make a decision before going to bed, even if that decision is: I'll make my final decision in the morning.

Poor sleep? Ah, yes, when I played video games, if I played them right up until bed time, then a bad night followed.

I do not sleep very well at the moment, and have not done so for a few years now. It is a learning experience, however. For one thing, I am much more tolerant of poor sleep than ever before. In addition, I am learning to cat-nap now. I just have to open a book and my head drops in slumber. I used to envy other people their ability to cat-nap, particularly a former friend of mine who on long drives could pull in to a Lay By and close her eyes for 15 minutes to wake up much refreshed. Now that is something that I too am able to do too.
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:05 am

@pinkladydragon: It does seem that sleep has acquired a scientific method, in recent years.. now, come the weekend, instead of people waking up early to go to that farmers market or hit that sale, they are sleeping in till way after noon instead, then heading out to the shops or to go get something to eat.

Refreshing sleep, replenishing food, are now becoming the most important things in life.. as those cells ain’t going to regenerate themselves by mere willpower alone.

Going back to weights.. after a few years of not, is really encroaching on my energy, but it does mean I get a better quality of sleep, due to the exercise exertion/recovery pattern now dictating and regulating a more necessary need of a better sleeping habit.. so the pros outweighing the cons: uncontrollably crashing out way before midnight, in exchange for a much healthier physical and mental state of being. My doctor will be pleased with my progress.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Wait, What! - MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby pinkladydragon » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:31 pm

MagsJ wrote:@pinkladydragon: It does seem that sleep has acquired a scientific method, in recent years.. now, come the weekend, instead of people waking up early to go to that farmers market or hit that sale, they are sleeping in till way after noon instead, then heading out to the shops or to go get something to eat.

Refreshing sleep, replenishing food, are now becoming the most important things in life.. as those cells ain’t going to regenerate themselves by mere willpower alone.

Going back to weights.. after a few years of not, is really encroaching on my energy, but it does mean I get a better quality of sleep, due to the exercise exertion/recovery pattern now dictating and regulating a more necessary need of a better sleeping habit.. so the pros outweighing the cons: uncontrollably crashing out way before midnight, in exchange for a much healthier physical and mental state of being. My doctor will be pleased with my progress.


I certainly think that a routine is good for sleep. I try to keep a routine but am not always successful. To be honest, I often find exercise a bit too stimulating for sleep. In my hill-walking days, for example, I'd often not sleep the night following a good day out on the hills. Also, I'm using the internet to write some posts on forums right now and that will likely affect my sleep. Actually, I find alcohol is a good sleeping aid. I know that it is definitely not something that would please any doctor but, well, if it works then fine.
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:17 am

..because I can’t sleep, so won’t sleep, until it hits me, and then I will.. from dawn till dusk, or well until my afternoon appointment dictates I must get up.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Wait, What! - MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:03 pm

Getting older my insomnia is virtually gone. I literally cannot hardly stay up past 2am anymore.

I pass out and fall asleep easily now.
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:14 am

Zero_Sum wrote:Getting older my insomnia is virtually gone. I literally cannot hardly stay up past 2am anymore.

I pass out and fall asleep easily now.

Is that a good or bad thing? probably good I guess, because at least you get your ZZZs in, and sleep is the number one priority for Moderns right now.. come the weekend the streets are empty because everyone is sleeping well into the afternoon, then head out to eat and shop.

I'm either up till approaching dawn, or uncontrollably crashing.. I’m still waiting for a middle ground, on that one.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Wait, What! - MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:20 am

Online shopping and the Parodites/Aegean exchange, kept me up, plus a giant mug of night-time green tea probably had a major part to play in it. 8-[
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Wait, What! - MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby phoneutria » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:59 am

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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:05 pm

phoneutria wrote:Night crew beches

..the stuff that ILP and YouTube were made for.. sleepless nights, without dreams.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Wait, What! - MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:13 am

Wide awake, and all’s well!

My dreams have been replaced by light shows, inside of and outside of, my head.. I attribute this phenomena to a strengthening nervous system, that has triggered all sorts of sensations and sights, both good and bad.. and now currently a cessation from them, or is this merely a temporary reprieve.

Being able to get out of it, doesn’t mean I want to go through that again, or keep going through it more often than not, so now to turn this temporary reprieve, permanent.

An early breakfast beckons.. will I follow the call, or will I fall back into a slumber..
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Wait, What! - MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:21 am

A 60mph storm outside should do it, if anything can.. wake one up at this time of a Sunday morning, that is.

It’s going to last all day.. I think I’ll film it, to share with the world, or ILP at the very least.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Wait, What! - MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:05 am

Keep crashing early these last few days, so up with the birds and the dawn.. though not even the birds are up at this time (yet), though I can hear stirrings of their chirpings, so not long now for them too.

Looks like an early breakfast and ILP day, then.
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You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby Tab » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:38 am

Not sure about 'strengthening nervous system' I don't think that's a thing.

How's your eye-sight..? I got light shows in my head a year or so ago, and it was because I was an ass and didn't wear my glasses despite constant blurry vision. This overstressed my vision centres and resulted in all kinds of effects from daytime coronas to flashbulbs and abstract patterns even in full darkness.

Too the opticians my girl !!! To the opticians!!!

A fever will also do the same trick sometimes. I've also noticed I go through periods of meh, "imaginary prowess" lol - an ability to visualize moving scenes with really great realism. A kind of semi-lucid dreaming. This is a symptom of not sleeping enough which is a hazard of having kids, and a job that requires a lot of energy - resulting in inadvertant microsleeping, I'm not visualizing consciously so much as having parts of my brain doze off without me noticing. :D

Get that 7 hours a day sorted out. :D
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:32 pm

Tab wrote:Not sure about 'strengthening nervous system' I don't think that's a thing.

It’s not a thing! Are you sure about that? I’m currently working on strengthening mine at the moment, and according to my own knowledge, the medical profession, and verifiable results.. it is a thing.

How's your eye-sight..? I got light shows in my head a year or so ago, and it was because I was an ass and didn't wear my glasses despite constant blurry vision. This overstressed my vision centres and resulted in all kinds of effects from daytime coronas to flashbulbs and abstract patterns even in full darkness.

Too the opticians my girl !!! To the opticians!!!

Been there, done that.. a few weeks ago, infact. No issues.. apart from not being able to read very small print very well, but who can? It ain’t called small print for nothin..

Funny how the rise in the use of very small print, has spurned the rise in the number of high-street opticians and reading glasses sales. My eyesight has hardly changed at all, but font sizes have.. the reason my eyesight has hardly changed over the years? because I don’t rely on reading glasses.

A fever will also do the same trick sometimes. I've also noticed I go through periods of meh, "imaginary prowess" lol - an ability to visualize moving scenes with really great realism. A kind of semi-lucid dreaming. This is a symptom of not sleeping enough which is a hazard of having kids, and a job that requires a lot of energy - resulting in inadvertant microsleeping, I'm not visualizing consciously so much as having parts of my brain doze off without me noticing. :D

Get that 7 hours a day sorted out. :D

I sleep much more than 7 hours a day.

The cause isn’t psychological but physiological, in neural wiring being over-liberal with itself, and not stopping short of where it’s supposed to end.. probably the only liberal thing about me. :shock:
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You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby Tab » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:38 pm

Well ok then lol, strengthen that nervous system. :D My biology degree must be old.

Do you have to do some kind of exercises..? Not trolling - actually curious.
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:28 am

Tab wrote:Well ok then lol, strengthen that nervous system. :D My biology degree must be old.

I guess it’s on the Ayurvedic side of the medical-practitioning spectrum.. Āyurveda meaning, knowledge of life and longevity, in Sanskrit.

The only thing keeping modern nervous systems going, and therefore reliant on, are prescription drugs.. without them most would literally become.. a bag of nerves and fall apart, but don’t worry they can fix you and keep you together to hold it down.

Do you have to do some kind of exercises..? Not trolling - actually curious.

Through learning how our physiology works, in order to heal ourselves through bio hacking the body.. through nutrition, fitness training, and tech etc. Or rely on the method above, and exist through a societal neural-network of needy feels and weak minds, that would become almost impossible to disengage from, over time. The Borg?
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Wait, What! - MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:16 pm

I fear my cynicism was all too apparent in my last post :|

No, I haven’t gotten less cynical with age.. or do we get moreso with it. :-k

I have acquired the habit of awaking around 3/4 in the morning, reply/converse with a friend/confidante, and then fall back asleep an hour or two later.. but I don’t dream, but sleep.
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You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby surreptitious75 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:51 pm

I am old but I am not cynical as I accept the human condition in all of its various manifestations
I avoid emotional involvement so my sense of detachment helps to keep me relatively grounded
I merely watch the world from a distance without getting involved for that is not how I function
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby surreptitious75 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:29 pm

I do not accept without any evidence your claim that most nervous systems are reliant on prescription drugs
I know you believe in holistic methods of treatment but I am too sceptical to just accept it without question
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:33 am

Go away and leave me alone!
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:24 am

Up and awake again, and alone with my thoughts from yesterday, of which Jakob and Meno know what of.. I feel better for it, but not intrinsically so, and probably never will. We don’t care about an ad on YouTube or any other minor inconvenience pour le jour.. COZ THERE’S NO BIGGER MINOR INCONVENIENCE THAN DEATH!

Currently feeling sorry for myself? Yes I am!

Another day, another storm, of howling whistling winds and intermittent rain.. quite a soothing sound it is too..

My current favori ..du jour, du semaine, peut-être le mois.

I have concluded that I am not good with sharing daily thoughts or entertaining daily feels, daily.. INTJ/P for life. Just as one cares about what goes into the body, one should care about what comes out of the mind.. be more Buddhist-like, be more selective with your thoughts. ; )
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You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:40 am

surreptitious75 wrote:I do not accept without any evidence your claim that most nervous systems are reliant on prescription drugs
I know you believe in holistic methods of treatment but I am too sceptical to just accept it without question

Well.. there’s also the same toxic additives in foods that there are in meds.. and I’ll leave that mathematical equation to you to solve.

You can be as sceptical as you want.. go right ahead, be my guest.

Cynicism is neither wholly good nor bad. It's easy to see how you can be too cynical, but it's also possible to be not cynical enough. ... There are lazy forms of cynicism of which this is certainly true. But at its best, cynicism is a greater force for progress than optimism. I am a cynical optimist.
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby surreptitious75 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:00 pm

I dont do cynicism because I see it as being just too negative but skepticism is more healthy by comparison
Because all it really is is a simple request to fill the gap in ones knowledge about something they dont know

Should I be more selective with my thoughts ? Absolutely but even better I should avoid negative ones or at least try to keep them to a minimum
I deliberately say I because otherwise someone may think I was talking generally and I really avoid doing that any more as it is too presumptuous
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Re: The wide awake club.. or, why are you still up?

Postby MagsJ » Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:37 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:I dont do cynicism because I see it as being just too negative but skepticism is more healthy by comparison
Because all it really is is a simple request to fill the gap in ones knowledge about something they dont know

..like I said, go right ahead.

I’m sure I wouldn’t be exercising my (healthy dose of) cynicism if it weren’t necessary. Just like skepticism questions things, so does cynicism.. the former questioning notions, the latter people.

You never question the intent and motive of others? You’ve questioned mine here plenty of times, or is that now a thing of the past? We all go through phases, but don’t necessarily remain there, as phases constantly gain and lose their utility.

Should I be more selective with my thoughts ? Absolutely but even better I should avoid negative ones or at least try to keep them to a minimum
I deliberately say I because otherwise someone may think I was talking generally and I really avoid doing that any more as it is too presumptuous

That wasn’t aimed at you, but it’s definitely something we should all attempt, as having a mind swimming with thoughts born of society’s bullshit is the worst situation to find yourself in, and to remain in that state.. even moreso. I recently found out that I can’t talk to such types, because such hindering complacency grates against my values of self, and one’s quality of daily existence requires much more beneficial input into it, than that.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Wait, What! - MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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