Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:04 pm

That is an unbalanced assessment that sounds like you align yourself with Manson.
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“In choosing myself, I choose the other.”
- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
- Irenaeus

Excuse #2 why I’m not dating: I want to be able to say I haven’t shaved in a decade.

Excuse #1 “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

Excuse #3: I wouldn’t want to get too attached right before Mutually Assured Destruction.

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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:11 pm

That is where the blade cuts both ways. Even if it's a single blade rotated around imperceptibly .
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:06 pm

because if I said those things, I would feel like I was trying to justify his behavior

Do you think a perfect God has less right to hold Manson accountable for his actions in the end, than Manson has to (order) murder unjustifiably—regardless whether foreseeable?

God has to give us a chance, down to rock bottom, or all love is impossible. Only he can know when it is right/wrong to intercept. Who are we to say the perfectly good God screwed it up?

There is no way to justify Manson’s actions.
Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

“In choosing myself, I choose the other.”
- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
- Irenaeus

Excuse #2 why I’m not dating: I want to be able to say I haven’t shaved in a decade.

Excuse #1 “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

Excuse #3: I wouldn’t want to get too attached right before Mutually Assured Destruction.

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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:29 pm

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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:53 pm

removed what?

i counter-remove just because
Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

“In choosing myself, I choose the other.”
- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
- Irenaeus

Excuse #2 why I’m not dating: I want to be able to say I haven’t shaved in a decade.

Excuse #1 “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

Excuse #3: I wouldn’t want to get too attached right before Mutually Assured Destruction.

Follow me for more excuses.
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:59 am

Can not , unless image taken of
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:00 am

Meno_ wrote:Can not , unless image taken of





Can not yet go there cause:

Still in black and white, long way to colors
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:05 am

Meno_ wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Can not , unless image taken of





Can not yet go there cause:

Still in black and white, long way to colors




And colors have been tired but unread fir what's it worth. and black and white has more form that countours the yet to fill in with colors and how to say this without an obvious simulation

this thing about witgensteined goethe is very long in yet to cause: art fir art's sake tl- denoted from kierkegaard's presumed aesthetic balance.
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:06 am

Meno_ wrote:
Meno_ wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Can not , unless image taken of





Can not yet go there cause:

Still in black and white, long way to colors




And colors have been tired but unread fir what's it worth. and black and white has more form that countours the yet to fill in with colors and how to say this without an obvious simulation

this thing about witgensteined goethe is very long in yet to cause: art fir art's sake tl- denoted from kierkegaard's presumed aesthetic balance.




beyond difficult within a necessary assimilation of the Other.



requiring post modern abstraction of formal elements by design and the devalued fade of it's present description. Even if...cant said.

Other, wise.no way jose

Other wise creating huge bubble up or down, either one or the other, not together or to gather, but then need to abstract as did a surrealist toward his honey. Heaven and hell not either, chosen but separated by what means to elate or suffer unworthy fortune, by a reduced image toward it's formal apprehension


Don't be thrown by the sense or it's lack, the pressures of trees to become cohl and diamond no easy trick of copying, no rather coping with the source of it's depth should fade even the most color out of it.

Hurray for holly, wood, the branches held the apple that tempted even the most saintly, and the most wicked saw the advantage gained.

Some jewel bound, there to surface, this mid summer's lounge soon come to an end, as scorpions rose so shall the sun also risen and vane.

The vanity briefly from goethe's bosom falling into disgraces and ill repute, and the enormous realized pressure downward murmurs through the forest to be mind for.

Otherwise all lost until the next evocation that's too long fir sungular.

The memory looses, simulated into eternal re pose, and that cut between the two , as if guaranteed by posterity.
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:52 am

A person may plan his course, but the Lord determines his steps.

It better lead to him. All I’m sayin.
Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

“In choosing myself, I choose the other.”
- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
- Irenaeus

Excuse #2 why I’m not dating: I want to be able to say I haven’t shaved in a decade.

Excuse #1 “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

Excuse #3: I wouldn’t want to get too attached right before Mutually Assured Destruction.

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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:27 am

Was going to imply an alternates version of the 'bubble' , tangent with Your presentation between intent and plan ; the expectation may be measured corresponding to an expectation which may delimit the severe contrasting simulation in-between.
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:31 am

Ichthus77 wrote:A person may plan his course, but the Lord determines his steps.

It better lead to him. All I’m sayin.




And reversely as sell , let His plans predominate with carefully measured steps.

'Thy Kingdom Come , Thy Will BE Done'
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:13 am

It’s good to be on the same page. Whoever you are.
Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

“In choosing myself, I choose the other.”
- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
- Irenaeus

Excuse #2 why I’m not dating: I want to be able to say I haven’t shaved in a decade.

Excuse #1 “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

Excuse #3: I wouldn’t want to get too attached right before Mutually Assured Destruction.

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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:32 pm

Now You know who am i, for knowing my wife is proof positive.but it really is of no consequence
me? at a disadvantage, reversely.
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:33 pm

I have never made contact and would never initiate. Period.
Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

“In choosing myself, I choose the other.”
- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
- Irenaeus

Excuse #2 why I’m not dating: I want to be able to say I haven’t shaved in a decade.

Excuse #1 “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

Excuse #3: I wouldn’t want to get too attached right before Mutually Assured Destruction.

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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:58 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:I have never made contact and would never initiate. Period.





Ischtus , regardless how " it" goes down, I stand by You
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:49 pm

I’ll hear what you just said when it is signed by Cheryl.

Maranatha! Fricken!!
Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

“In choosing myself, I choose the other.”
- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
- Irenaeus

Excuse #2 why I’m not dating: I want to be able to say I haven’t shaved in a decade.

Excuse #1 “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

Excuse #3: I wouldn’t want to get too attached right before Mutually Assured Destruction.

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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:32 pm

Well, then You have to be patient. Very patient, Maranthal
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Sculptor » Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:57 pm

Meno_ wrote:Well, then You have to be patient. Very patient, Maranthal


I see. we've been waiting 31/2 years for you to produce the absolute proof is reincarnation.
(which incidentally has nothing to do with the eternal return)

How much longer?
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:32 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Well, then You have to be patient. Very patient, Maranthal


I see. we've been waiting 31/2 years for you to produce the absolute proof is reincarnation.
(which incidentally has nothing to do with the eternal return)

How much longer?




It dies have to do with it. Absolutely.


Fof starters , if the truth of something other than the substantiality of this here body is to be believed, then something more progressively believable like that of ' something else' could be assumed. Cause if there is nothing substantial in the world, then the belief in the absolute void be the mote correct assumption, that is, assuming that


So if, reincarnation mag progressively be built eternally based on that, would You/ could You not correlate that with karmic credit/debit?

Would that make as much sense and more?

The incidental correlation of any two events is more possible than their disjunction in any set events.
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:41 am

Karma requires a mind to keep tabs and sustain patterns between death/rebirth… a grudge holding mind… that puts even bad karma on a newborn baby. An evil “god”.

Grace requires a mind to forgive grudges. A loving mind that offers but does not force reciprocation. A good God.

Which belief system has demonstrated the existence of their “mind” in history? What evidence do they offer?

Even if the first one demonstrated the existence of its evil god, I would reject it. Thank the Good Lord love is not love without demonstration… should we choose to examine it.
Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

“In choosing myself, I choose the other.”
- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
- Irenaeus

Excuse #2 why I’m not dating: I want to be able to say I haven’t shaved in a decade.

Excuse #1 “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

Excuse #3: I wouldn’t want to get too attached right before Mutually Assured Destruction.

Follow me for more excuses.
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:14 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Karma requires a mind to keep tabs and sustain patterns between death/rebirth… a grudge holding mind… that puts even bad karma on a newborn baby. An evil “god”.

Grace requires a mind to forgive grudges. A loving mind that offers but does not force reciprocation. A good God.

Which belief system has demonstrated the existence of their “mind” in history? What evidence do they offer?

Even if the first one demonstrated the existence of its evil god, I would reject it. Thank the Good Lord love is not love without demonstration… should we choose to examine it.



There is no nexus between absolute love and karma, and original sun transcends purity of the unborn. Yet the need to pay for negatives subsists.

The. laws which govern it have already been subscribed to and prescribed as necessary.


Denial will displace responsibility.
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:53 pm

Not everyone adopts your preferred conception of original sin.

That being the case, can you see why you do?
Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

“In choosing myself, I choose the other.”
- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
- Irenaeus

Excuse #2 why I’m not dating: I want to be able to say I haven’t shaved in a decade.

Excuse #1 “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

Excuse #3: I wouldn’t want to get too attached right before Mutually Assured Destruction.

Follow me for more excuses.
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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Meno_ » Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:06 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Not everyone adopts your preferred conception of original sin.

That being the case, can you see why you do?










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Bible Verses About Original Sin

Romans 5:12

12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—


Psalm 51:5

5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
and in sin did my mother conceive me.




1 John 1:8-10

8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.




Ezekiel 18:20

20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.




Romans 3:10-18

10 as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave;
they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 in their paths are ruin and misery,
17 and the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”



Genesis 3:22

22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”




Isaiah 59:2

2 but your iniquities have made a separation
between you and your God,
and your sins have hidden his face from you
so that he does not hear.




Ezekiel 18:4

4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.




Psalm 14:2-3

2 The LORD looks down from heaven on the children of man,
to see if there are any who understand,
who seek after God.
3 They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt;
there is none who does good,
not even one.




Deuteronomy 1:39

39 And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.




Romans 7:9-11

9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. 10 The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. 11 For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.




Jeremiah 17:9

9 The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick;
who can understand it?




Ecclesiastes 7:29

29 See, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes.




Ephesians 2:1-3

2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.



James 1:13

13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.




Romans 6:12

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions.




Genesis 3:1-19

3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made.

He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” 4 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.

8 And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man and said to him, “Where are you?” 10 And he said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.” 11 He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

14 The LORD God said to the serpent,

“Because you have done this,
cursed are you above all livestock
and above all beasts of the field;
on your belly you shall go,
and dust you shall eat
all the days of your life.
15 I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

16 To the woman he said,

“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be contrary to your husband,
but he shall rule over you.”

17 And to Adam he said,

“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
‘You shall not eat of it,’
cursed is the ground because of you;
in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return.”




Job 31:18

18 (for from my youth the fatherless grew up with me as with a father,
and from my mother’s womb I guided the widow),




Genesis 2:17
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”




Romans 3:23

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


Psalm 58:3

3 The wicked are estranged from the womb;
they go astray from birth, speaking lies.




Romans 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.




Romans 2:14-15

14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them




Job 15:14

14 What is man, that he can be pure?
Or he who is born of a woman, that he can be righteous?




Genesis 8:21

21 And when the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, the LORD said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man’s heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done.

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Re: Absolute proof of reincarmatio/eternal return

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:13 pm

Yes, there was a first “missed mark”. That is not the same as original sin & all it implies.

You DON’T see. Good. But you should probably study up on the different views.
Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

“In choosing myself, I choose the other.”
- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
- Irenaeus

Excuse #2 why I’m not dating: I want to be able to say I haven’t shaved in a decade.

Excuse #1 “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

Excuse #3: I wouldn’t want to get too attached right before Mutually Assured Destruction.

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