Evolutionary psychology

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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:29 pm

Yeah, because you still haven't mentioned a thing about how mutation works. You just keep asserting how alleged cases of it fit Darwinian selection.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:29 pm

Something something something and then the organism adapts.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:35 pm

You can't even begin to address the things that I have proposed, because you don't even understand the things that you propose. You are just repeating something you heard.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Meno_ » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:57 pm

Pedro, Pood , did you at least saw my take on the relative importance of the significant difference between the political the bioethical aspect which pushed this disagreement into hyperdrive?
And this in the earlier stage of conceptual interpretation's development?

Wouldn't that have caught this disagreement in the bud?
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby pood » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:06 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:You can't even begin to address the things that I have proposed, because you don't even understand the things that you propose. You are just repeating something you heard.


You haven’t proposed anything, so there is nothing to address.

I have explained how mutations happen, and how natural selection operates on them.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby pood » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:08 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Something something something and then the organism adapts.


Individual organisms do not “adapt.” Evolution works on populations and not on individuals.

Your lack of elementary education, and your arrogance in flaunting it, is remarkable in a way, but in another way, quite common for the trollverse known as the internet.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:13 pm

pood wrote:Evolution works on populations and not on individuals.


Does it now?

pood wrote:Your lack of elementary education,


It only seems that way to you because I don't mindlessly repeat what I heard in school.

pood wrote:You haven’t proposed anything,


I'm sure nothing that registered. You would have to know something about evolution and modern genetic theory.

pood wrote:I have explained how mutations happen,


You really have not, this is pathetic.

pood wrote:and how natural selection operates on them.


Operates on what, exactly?
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:16 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
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pood wrote:Variance in inherited traits is important because these variants may be detrimental or advantageous to survival.


Then you are not deriving Darwinian selection from information about variations in inherited traits, but looking for ways to fit variations in inherited traits into Darwinian selection.


You can do it.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby pood » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:31 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
pood wrote:Evolution works on populations and not on individuals.


Does it now?


Yes. Mutations happen in individuals, but before natural selection can operate on them they must spread through a population. As I have noted, though, neutral or even deleterious mutations, mutations not favored by a particular environment, can go to fixation by chance alone. This is called genetic drift.

pood wrote:Your lack of elementary education,


It only seems that way to you because I don't mindlessly repeat what I heard in school.


It seems you never went to school, so there is nothing for you to repeat, mindlessly or otherwise.

pood wrote:You haven’t proposed anything,


I'm sure nothing that registered. You would have to know something about evolution and modern genetic theory.


Irony meter explodes.

Please reiterate what you “proposed.”

pood wrote:I have explained how mutations happen,


You really have not, this is pathetic.


I have. Copying errors, radiation, viruses, chemicals. They are call mutagens.

pood wrote:and how natural selection operates on them.


Operates on what, exactly?


Mutations.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:33 pm

pood wrote:Yes. Mutations happen in individuals, but before natural selection can operate on them they must spread through a population. As I have noted, though, neutral or even deleterious mutations, mutations not favored by a particular environment, can go to fixation by chance alone. This is called genetic drift.


What are mutations?

pood wrote:It seems you never went to school, so there is nothing for you to repeat, mindlessly or otherwise.


Now you're just angry.

pood wrote:Please reiterate what you “proposed.”


What are you daft? You don't even know what a mutation is.

pood wrote:I have. Copying errors, radiation, viruses, chemicals. They are call mutagens.


Yeah, you still haven't said what a mutation is. You just name random shit. This is what they teach you in school?

pood wrote:Mutations.


Yeah, what are those?
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby pood » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:57 pm

A mutation is an alteration in the nucelotide sequence of a genome. I have already cited why such alterations happen.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Sculptor » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:42 pm

pood wrote:A mutation is an alteration in the nucelotide sequence of a genome. I have already cited why such alterations happen.


I think you have to wonder what on earth is actually going on inside Pedro's head. (If anything)
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Sculptor » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:45 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Sculptor wrote:I do not know what you mean by Silhouette.


You know, your old account.

https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/memberl ... file&u=520

Silhouette.


Ah I see, yet another one of your delusions.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Sculptor » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:46 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Silhouette wrote:
Abstract wrote:Well you seemed to be saying that those who evolve have an advantage... but being immortal is as if being that which has already achieved the goal that which evolution is moving us ever towards.

I'm not about to claim that evolution has a goal - it is ongoing - but I am speculating about a point where the evolution of one species is so far advanced relative to others that it can afford to not need to die.

Evolution (e.g. developing the trait of mortality) does have an advantage, but when you no longer need such an advantage then mortality may be bred out of a species. It could become no longer needed. Reproduction may also cease to be needed, in line with this. This is not to say sex would also be phased out, but fertility would.

And all this is not to say that immortality would be desirable forever (which sounds strange and contradictory, but by immortality I mean the lack of pre-programmed aging and weakening to the point of expiration as opposed to invulnerability to other life-threatening forces) because other species may come to catch up with us and compete with us in a threatening way, causing mortality to be bred back in.


Not my words.

Here, for example, you demonstrate a very Aristotelian view of something causing something in a very linear fashion. Of course, the only way cause and effect operates.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Sculptor » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:47 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
pood wrote:Light is radiation. All light is radiation.


Yeah, but light is a specific type, and I am wondering if he contends that light modifies DNA transcription chemically.
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No it does it energetically.
UV light is of particular interest.
Have you heard of sunscreen?
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby felix dakat » Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:47 pm

So I want to address the idea that evolution is a competitive struggle to survive and reproduce. According to this popular notion, the competitive struggle to survive and reproduce is natural and normal and good because it got us where we are today.

This theory is used to justify free market economies, the conduct of international relations and legal judgments. Accordingly it is natural to pursue one’s self interest and failure to do so is irrational. So, a common understanding of reason is downstream from this proposition. The implication of this theory is that anything that interferes with competitive self interest is considered unnatural and immoral. I intend to show that this view sometimes known as “Social Darwinism” is incorrect.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Sculptor » Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:44 pm

felix dakat wrote:So I want to address the idea that evolution is a competitive struggle to survive and reproduce. According to this popular notion, the competitive struggle to survive and reproduce is natural and normal and good because it got us where we are today.

When you apply the word "good"; and when you use words like "is a ... to ..." you are misrepresenting the meaning. In the first instance you are adding a moral value laden dimension, in in the second instance you are adding a teleology.
Evolution is a consequence not a force. It is not aiming at survival and reproduction. Survival and reproduction arrive at evolution.
The evolution of life could just as easily result in our destruction.

This theory is used to justify free market economies, the conduct of international relations and legal judgments. Accordingly it is natural to pursue one’s self interest and failure to do so is irrational. So, a common understanding of reason is downstream from this proposition. The implication of this theory is that anything that interferes with competitive self interest is considered unnatural and immoral. I intend to show that this view sometimes known as “Social Darwinism” is incorrect.


People will justify their behaviours with any means. Free-marketeers emphasis competition but ignore co-operation. Co-operation has been equally important in "getting us where we are today", in fact without it we sould still be hanging from tree throwing shit at other humans.
Mature consdieration of "Social Darwinism" should also include co-operation, but we live in a Neoliberal world where such things as "socialism" is now a dirty word. This is a temporary phase in history.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Meno_ » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:45 pm

Sculptor wrote:
felix dakat wrote:So I want to address the idea that evolution is a competitive struggle to survive and reproduce. According to this popular notion, the competitive struggle to survive and reproduce is natural and normal and good because it got us where we are today.

When you apply the word "good"; and when you use words like "is a ... to ..." you are misrepresenting the meaning. In the first instance you are adding a moral value laden dimension, in in the second instance you are adding a teleology.
Evolution is a consequence not a force. It is not aiming at survival and reproduction. Survival and reproduction arrive at evolution.
The evolution of life could just as easily result in our destruction.

This theory is used to justify free market economies, the conduct of international relations and legal judgments. Accordingly it is natural to pursue one’s self interest and failure to do so is irrational. So, a common understanding of reason is downstream from this proposition. The implication of this theory is that anything that interferes with competitive self interest is considered unnatural and immoral. I intend to show that this view sometimes known as “Social Darwinism” is incorrect.


People will justify their behaviours with any means. Free-marketeers emphasis competition but ignore co-operation. Co-operation has been equally important in "getting us where we are today", in fact without it we sould still be hanging from tree throwing shit at other humans.
Mature consdieration of "Social Darwinism" should also include co-operation, but we live in a Neoliberal world where such things as "socialism" is now a dirty word. This is a temporary phase in history.



Hate to comment ex post facto , but theory aside, a reevaluation must be commensurate with the rapidly escalating realization of insight.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Sculptor » Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:05 am

Meno_ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
felix dakat wrote:So I want to address the idea that evolution is a competitive struggle to survive and reproduce. According to this popular notion, the competitive struggle to survive and reproduce is natural and normal and good because it got us where we are today.

When you apply the word "good"; and when you use words like "is a ... to ..." you are misrepresenting the meaning. In the first instance you are adding a moral value laden dimension, in in the second instance you are adding a teleology.
Evolution is a consequence not a force. It is not aiming at survival and reproduction. Survival and reproduction arrive at evolution.
The evolution of life could just as easily result in our destruction.

This theory is used to justify free market economies, the conduct of international relations and legal judgments. Accordingly it is natural to pursue one’s self interest and failure to do so is irrational. So, a common understanding of reason is downstream from this proposition. The implication of this theory is that anything that interferes with competitive self interest is considered unnatural and immoral. I intend to show that this view sometimes known as “Social Darwinism” is incorrect.


People will justify their behaviours with any means. Free-marketeers emphasis competition but ignore co-operation. Co-operation has been equally important in "getting us where we are today", in fact without it we sould still be hanging from tree throwing shit at other humans.
Mature consdieration of "Social Darwinism" should also include co-operation, but we live in a Neoliberal world where such things as "socialism" is now a dirty word. This is a temporary phase in history.



Hate to comment ex post facto , but theory aside, a reevaluation must be commensurate with the rapidly escalating realization of insight.


Gosh - wonderful platitude. Pretty much goes without saying.... so why say it?
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:14 am

If not said, it may be due to oversight and insignificance.

Then lacking insight, the object of significance may be lost to any analysis


For, analysis must be transpersonal
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Sculptor » Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:07 pm

Meno_ wrote:If not said, it may be due to oversight and insignificance.

Then lacking insight, the object of significance may be lost to any analysis


For, analysis must be transpersonal


Excellent.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:41 pm

Why? Any allusion that tries to point to the death of insight to the destruction of the soul of man
is good , despite pundits rejecting such a notion, despite the emergence of mounting evidence to the contrary, even anti intellectually rational reasoning trying to disprove such.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:05 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Meno_ wrote:If not said, it may be due to oversight and insignificance.

Then lacking insight, the object of significance may be lost to any analysis


For, analysis must be transpersonal


Excellent.
You have a talent for empty bullshit[/quot



To prove the point, any analysis to gain insight has for the most part been abandoned in favor of pharmacological treatment of symptoms

The sought after systemic cause, has resulted in fallacious transactional failure to get through.

It is no longer an issue within the scope of contradictory structural indications of disturbances in meaning interpretation

You may scratch the last paragraph if you care , of the whole thing if seeing inconsistency there in.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Sculptor » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:17 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
Meno_ wrote:If not said, it may be due to oversight and insignificance.

Then lacking insight, the object of significance may be lost to any analysis


For, analysis must be transpersonal


Excellent.
You have a talent for empty bullshit




To prove the point, any analysis to gain insight has for the most part been abandoned in favor of pharmacological treatment of symptoms

The sought after systemic cause, has resulted in fallacious transactional frailer to get through.

It is no longer an issue within the scope of contradictory structural indications of disturbances in meaning interpretation

You may scratch the last paragraph if you care , of the whole thing if seeing inconsistency there in.[/quote]

Either provide an example or stop waffling.
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Re: Evolutionary psychology

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:34 pm

Referring to the systemic uncertainty of balance between the entangled sub structures and the corresponding lack of definite accountability of diagnostic criteria ; the gap is widening .

The medicated patient , for instance can not progressively gain understanding as to what ill's him, because it is assumed that even in an unmedicated state, he is as perplexed as to his understanding as if he has never been analyzed.

This view is paradoxical, since it's affordability determines the real nature of the gains of lengthy analysis that is required to advance to better understanding.
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