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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby felix dakat » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:11 am

WendyDarling wrote:
felix dakat wrote:Can you post a link to the documentary?

Yaay, found it! Netflix, Surviving Death, episode 6 Reincarnation. Found the episode on YouTube but since I’m not a registered user, it wouldn’t let me copy link(on my phone unless I’m doing something wrong).


Thank you, Wendy. I'll check it out.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:16 am

why assume mind/body duality?
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby felix dakat » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:07 pm

Here's why:

Wendy's theory based on evidence from reincarnation research:

WendyDarling wrote:So the occurrences and understanding of Alzheimers threw me for a loop, like how could a mind/soul be affected by the physical bodies aging process if they, the human body with its brain and the soul with its mind are two separate entities?

Could a memory wipe(which happens before each lifetime, but in a different dimension)begin happening before the person’s physical body dies in this dimension?

I’m considering this due to a documentary featuring children who remembered their past lives and were tested by an interviewer who showed the kids several series of photographs with only one being the true image of their past life, the children were able to correctly choose every image pertaining to their memories of their past life out of multiple unrelated but similar images. Only I am rationalizing my developing theory backwards at this point in cases where the memory wipe either did not occur or occurred only partially.

Is dementia the beginning of a memory wipe occurring before a person crosses over to the next life?

In light of all this, all intelligence (IQ, EQ) may be a compilation on the continuum of the journey of the mind/soul, not exactly a current genetic inheritance or creative evolution of mass, but a creative evolution of a yet undiscovered energy, an intelligent energy.


A link to University of Virginia division of perceptual studies videos on reincarnation research:

https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-stu ... -research/
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby MagsJ » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:08 pm

felix dakat wrote:Mind refers to the subject of direct experience. The brain is the organ which produces that experience. Neuroscientists now tell us that what we were traditionally taught was brain function really involves the entire nervous system. So what we've been calling brain --what we think with-- is not just in our head. It runs through our entire body.

Agree.. that we are a holist-system, and not distinct parts that make up our entity.. we are a living/breathing bio-feedback loop/the NS, which is fed by our feelings and thoughts (sensations), which when mixed with energy/input (food) determines the manifestation of our individual Self. To me.. we are either all or nothing, or individual degrees of Ourselves.. depending on our bio-feedback loop/NS health.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby felix dakat » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:14 pm

MagsJ wrote:
felix dakat wrote:Mind refers to the subject of direct experience. The brain is the organ which produces that experience. Neuroscientists now tell us that what we were traditionally taught was brain function really involves the entire nervous system. So what we've been calling brain --what we think with-- is not just in our head. It runs through our entire body.

Agree.. that we are a holist-system, and not distinct parts that make up our entity.. we are a living/breathing bio-feedback loop/the NS, which is fed by our feelings and thoughts (sensations), which when mixed with energy/input (food) determines the manifestation of our individual Self. To me.. we are either all or nothing, or individual degrees of Ourselves.. depending on our bio-feedback loop/NS health.


My statement above could be subsumed under the double aspect theory of mind/body. The evidence that Wendy has referenced seems to point to something beyond that which is unexplained.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:52 pm

felix dakat wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
felix dakat wrote:Mind refers to the subject of direct experience. The brain is the organ which produces that experience. Neuroscientists now tell us that what we were traditionally taught was brain function really involves the entire nervous system. So what we've been calling brain --what we think with-- is not just in our head. It runs through our entire body.

Agree.. that we are a holist-system, and not distinct parts that make up our entity.. we are a living/breathing bio-feedback loop/the NS, which is fed by our feelings and thoughts (sensations), which when mixed with energy/input (food) determines the manifestation of our individual Self. To me.. we are either all or nothing, or individual degrees of Ourselves.. depending on our bio-feedback loop/NS health.


My statement above could be subsumed under the double aspect theory of mind/body. The evidence that Wendy has referenced seems to point to something beyond that which is unexplained.

Thanks for the link. Seems clinical/legit enough. Since I’ve experienced a partial mind body split through OBE( my body was still available to return to, not dead), this is my experiential evidence as to the separate mind/soul, where it is located, and one of its tasks-processing emotions. I am trying to extrapolate from my understanding and coordinate it with other evidences, such as past lives, other OBEs, and NDE’s as well.

What are your thoughts on the research?
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:10 pm

Aventador wrote:You know, I have to tell you, I have seen two family members go through Alzheimer's and one go through dementia, and I never thought their 'personality' disappeared.

I don’t think dementia/alzheimers is changing the personality, but it does seem to be wiping the memories from the most recent to the farthest past in its current lifetime before the physical death process.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby MagsJ » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:59 pm

felix dakat wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Agree.. that we are a holist-system, and not distinct parts that make up our entity.. we are a living/breathing bio-feedback loop/the NS, which is fed by our feelings and thoughts (sensations), which when mixed with energy/input (food) determines the manifestation of our individual Self. To me.. we are either all or nothing, or individual degrees of Ourselves.. depending on our bio-feedback loop/NS health.
My statement above could be subsumed under the double aspect theory of mind/body. The evidence that Wendy has referenced seems to point to something beyond that which is unexplained.

One of the theories defined in James Baldwin's Dictionary of Philosophy and Psychology, published in 1901, is 'The Double Aspect Theory'. It is 'the theory of the relation of mind and body, which teaches that mental and bodily facts are parallel manifestations of a single underlying reality”.

Is that the same as depersonalisation/derealisation? ..a dream state of none-lucidity that makes the mind feel independent from the body.. perhaps in that state we are able to cast our minds out further, beyond our own physicality.. which sounds like the medium of intuition-X-perception, so beyond merely thinking-X-judging, and which I have always thought some (not all) humans, capable of.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby felix dakat » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:59 pm

MagsJ wrote:
felix dakat wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Agree.. that we are a holist-system, and not distinct parts that make up our entity.. we are a living/breathing bio-feedback loop/the NS, which is fed by our feelings and thoughts (sensations), which when mixed with energy/input (food) determines the manifestation of our individual Self. To me.. we are either all or nothing, or individual degrees of Ourselves.. depending on our bio-feedback loop/NS health.
My statement above could be subsumed under the double aspect theory of mind/body. The evidence that Wendy has referenced seems to point to something beyond that which is unexplained.

One of the theories defined in James Baldwin's Dictionary of Philosophy and Psychology, published in 1901, is 'The Double Aspect Theory'. It is 'the theory of the relation of mind and body, which teaches that mental and bodily facts are parallel manifestations of a single underlying reality”.

Is that the same as depersonalisation/derealisation? ..a dream state of none-lucidity that makes the mind feel independent from the body.. perhaps in that state we are able to cast our minds out further, beyond our own physicality.. which sounds like the medium of intuition-X-perception, so beyond merely thinking-X-judging, and which I have always thought some (not all) humans, capable of.


No. It says that a pattern of neural firing in the brain and a thought in the mind are different aspects of the same thing. Your dictionary definition nailed it.
The purpose of my life would seem to be to express the truth as I discover it, but in such a manner that it is completely devoid of authority. By having no authority, by being seen by all as utterly unreliable, I express the truth and put everyone in a contradictory position where they can only save themselves by making the truth their own.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby felix dakat » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:27 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Thanks for the link. Seems clinical/legit enough. Since I’ve experienced a partial mind body split through OBE( my body was still available to return to, not dead), this is my experiential evidence as to the separate mind/soul, where it is located, and one of its tasks-processing emotions. I am trying to extrapolate from my understanding and coordinate it with other evidences, such as past lives, other OBEs, and NDE’s as well.

What are your thoughts on the research?


I just finished watching the episode on Netflix. Someone once said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That a child remembers a past life is most certainly an extraordinary claim. So while I appreciate that the show takes an agnostic view, there are many critical questions that could be asked that weren't.

If these parents intentionally planted those stories in their very young children, that would be a form of emotional child abuse. In the first case the child reportedly said that he had been killed as a child. How would he know that? The question was not asked. And of course exploring it could be traumatizing in itself.

The second boy whose memories of a past life were said to be growing dim, himself said that he didn't know if it was reincarnation or not. So he as the alleged experiencer was agnostic. That's strong endorsement to take an agnostic position about the matter for the rest of us.

In the third case the parents took the child and went to Iwo Jima the supposed location of the child's death in a past life. That shows remarkable buy-in on the part of the parents. Couldn't that overwhelming parental interest encourage the child to embellish his infantile fantasies if that's what they were?

So I find it all very interesting from a phenomenological point of view. The imaginal, is a significant layer in the world of the psyche. Images of reincarnation have a long widespread history there. This Netflix show provides more food for the imagination. I might even watch more episodes.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:33 pm

“One of the theories defined in James Baldwin's Dictionary of Philosophy and Psychology, published in 1901, is 'The Double Aspect Theory'. It is 'the theory of the relation of mind and body, which teaches that mental and bodily facts are parallel manifestations of a single underlying reality”.


Felix wrote
No. It says that a pattern of neural firing in the brain and a thought in the mind are different aspects of the same thing. Your dictionary definition nailed it.


Can you explain what you mean by the same thing? The definition expressly differentiates the brain and mind twice.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby MagsJ » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:57 am

felix dakat wrote:No. It says that a pattern of neural firing in the brain and a thought in the mind are different aspects of the same thing. Your dictionary definition nailed it.

Ok, so.. regardless of that: “..perhaps in that state we are able to cast our minds out further, beyond our own physicality.. which sounds like the medium of intuition-X-perception, so beyond merely thinking-X-judging, and which I have always thought some (not all) humans, capable of”.

Thoughts, Felix?
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby Sculptor » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:35 am

WendyDarling wrote:
“One of the theories defined in James Baldwin's Dictionary of Philosophy and Psychology, published in 1901, is 'The Double Aspect Theory'. It is 'the theory of the relation of mind and body, which teaches that mental and bodily facts are parallel manifestations of a single underlying reality”.


Felix wrote
No. It says that a pattern of neural firing in the brain and a thought in the mind are different aspects of the same thing. Your dictionary definition nailed it.


Can you explain what you mean by the same thing? The definition expressly differentiates the brain and mind twice.

No it does not. Not really. The definition moves from tow differentiated words (from common usage) to show that they are tow apsect of a SINGLE UNDERLYING REALITY. QED - the same thing.

The mind is what the brain does. All mental activity is a brain activity. Without the brain there is no mind, no thinking. It's more than just dependance it is identical. All mnd phenomena are brain activies.
Some people find this hard to face, since it follows that everything we are is physical, and we do not persist after death.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby Sculptor » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:38 am

felix dakat wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Thanks for the link. Seems clinical/legit enough. Since I’ve experienced a partial mind body split through OBE( my body was still available to return to, not dead), this is my experiential evidence as to the separate mind/soul, where it is located, and one of its tasks-processing emotions. I am trying to extrapolate from my understanding and coordinate it with other evidences, such as past lives, other OBEs, and NDE’s as well.

What are your thoughts on the research?


I just finished watching the episode on Netflix. Someone once said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That a child remembers a past life is most certainly an extraordinary claim. So while I appreciate that the show takes an agnostic view, there are many critical questions that could be asked that weren't.

If these parents intentionally planted those stories in their very young children, that would be a form of emotional child abuse. In the first case the child reportedly said that he had been killed as a child. How would he know that? The question was not asked. And of course exploring it could be traumatizing in itself.

The second boy whose memories of a past life were said to be growing dim, himself said that he didn't know if it was reincarnation or not. So he as the alleged experiencer was agnostic. That's strong endorsement to take an agnostic position about the matter for the rest of us.

In the third case the parents took the child and went to Iwo Jima the supposed location of the child's death in a past life. That shows remarkable buy-in on the part of the parents. Couldn't that overwhelming parental interest encourage the child to embellish his infantile fantasies if that's what they were?

So I find it all very interesting from a phenomenological point of view. The imaginal, is a significant layer in the world of the psyche. Images of reincarnation have a long widespread history there. This Netflix show provides more food for the imagination. I might even watch more episodes.


People have been obsessing about this pretty rare claim, for a very long time.
In all that time there is not been a single verified or supported claim.
You can be as agnostic as you want. I am agnostic that there is not a colony of intelligent tea-pots on the dark side of the moon, but I do not waste time and effort persuing what is essantially a foolish fantasy.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby kowtaaia » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:32 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Moments ago, I had a thought that definitely freaked me out.

Do we do our actual thinking in our brains or does it occur in the mind (soul)?...


That's the wrong question. We don't do thinking. The thinker is created by thought. The 'mind of brain' is thought. Soul/spirit etc. is an invention of thought. There's a body and its thought process and that's it. The so called 'outside world' and awareness is a different story, altogether.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:44 pm

kowtaaia wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Moments ago, I had a thought that definitely freaked me out.

Do we do our actual thinking in our brains or does it occur in the mind (soul)?...


That's the wrong question. We don't do thinking. The thinker is created by thought. The 'mind of brain' is thought. Soul/spirit etc. is an invention of thought. There's a body and its thought process and that's it. The so called 'outside world' and awareness is a different story, altogether.

Okay, what is the right question? Then tell me about that different story, if you don’t mind(ironic fun pun double entendre).
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby felix dakat » Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:12 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
“One of the theories defined in James Baldwin's Dictionary of Philosophy and Psychology, published in 1901, is 'The Double Aspect Theory'. It is 'the theory of the relation of mind and body, which teaches that mental and bodily facts are parallel manifestations of a single underlying reality”.


Felix wrote
No. It says that a pattern of neural firing in the brain and a thought in the mind are different aspects of the same thing. Your dictionary definition nailed it.


Can you explain what you mean by the same thing? The definition expressly differentiates the brain and mind twice.


The double aspect theory or dual aspect theory as it is also called is a type of mind-body monism. Accordingly the mental and material are different aspects or attributes of a unitary reality which is itself neither mental or material. So mind and brain are two aspects of the same thing. Of course, that raises the ontico-onticological question: what do we mean by "thing"?
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Re: Brain vs Mind

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The purpose of my life would seem to be to express the truth as I discover it, but in such a manner that it is completely devoid of authority. By having no authority, by being seen by all as utterly unreliable, I express the truth and put everyone in a contradictory position where they can only save themselves by making the truth their own.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby felix dakat » Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:23 pm

MagsJ wrote:
felix dakat wrote:No. It says that a pattern of neural firing in the brain and a thought in the mind are different aspects of the same thing. Your dictionary definition nailed it.

Ok, so.. regardless of that: “..perhaps in that state we are able to cast our minds out further, beyond our own physicality.. which sounds like the medium of intuition-X-perception, so beyond merely thinking-X-judging, and which I have always thought some (not all) humans, capable of”.

Thoughts, Felix?


Well yeah. My intuitions are a way of knowing that I don't understand in terms of judging or discursive thought. And they are accurate for reasons I don't understand. Psychology gives partial theoretical explanations of this. I think it's been demonstrated in controlled experiments. But none of that can explain exactly how it happens to me when it occurs on a particular occasion.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby felix dakat » Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:28 pm

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felix dakat wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Thanks for the link. Seems clinical/legit enough. Since I’ve experienced a partial mind body split through OBE( my body was still available to return to, not dead), this is my experiential evidence as to the separate mind/soul, where it is located, and one of its tasks-processing emotions. I am trying to extrapolate from my understanding and coordinate it with other evidences, such as past lives, other OBEs, and NDE’s as well.

What are your thoughts on the research?


I just finished watching the episode on Netflix. Someone once said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That a child remembers a past life is most certainly an extraordinary claim. So while I appreciate that the show takes an agnostic view, there are many critical questions that could be asked that weren't.

If these parents intentionally planted those stories in their very young children, that would be a form of emotional child abuse. In the first case the child reportedly said that he had been killed as a child. How would he know that? The question was not asked. And of course exploring it could be traumatizing in itself.

The second boy whose memories of a past life were said to be growing dim, himself said that he didn't know if it was reincarnation or not. So he as the alleged experiencer was agnostic. That's strong endorsement to take an agnostic position about the matter for the rest of us.

In the third case the parents took the child and went to Iwo Jima the supposed location of the child's death in a past life. That shows remarkable buy-in on the part of the parents. Couldn't that overwhelming parental interest encourage the child to embellish his infantile fantasies if that's what they were?

So I find it all very interesting from a phenomenological point of view. The imaginal, is a significant layer in the world of the psyche. Images of reincarnation have a long widespread history there. This Netflix show provides more food for the imagination. I might even watch more episodes.


People have been obsessing about this pretty rare claim, for a very long time.
In all that time there is not been a single verified or supported claim.
You can be as agnostic as you want. I am agnostic that there is not a colony of intelligent tea-pots on the dark side of the moon, but I do not waste time and effort persuing what is essantially a foolish fantasy.


Reincarnation does defy common sense. But so does spooky action at a distance which has been scientifically demonstrated. The University of Virginia has been amassing documentation on this phenomenon since the late sixties. So just dismissing the phenomena out of hand without supporting critical analysis of the data is by definition unreasonable.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby felix dakat » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:04 pm

Sculptor wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:
“One of the theories defined in James Baldwin's Dictionary of Philosophy and Psychology, published in 1901, is 'The Double Aspect Theory'. It is 'the theory of the relation of mind and body, which teaches that mental and bodily facts are parallel manifestations of a single underlying reality”.


Felix wrote
No. It says that a pattern of neural firing in the brain and a thought in the mind are different aspects of the same thing. Your dictionary definition nailed it.


Can you explain what you mean by the same thing? The definition expressly differentiates the brain and mind twice.

No it does not. Not really. The definition moves from tow differentiated words (from common usage) to show that they are tow apsect of a SINGLE UNDERLYING REALITY. QED - the same thing.

The mind is what the brain does. All mental activity is a brain activity. Without the brain there is no mind, no thinking. It's more than just dependance it is identical. All mnd phenomena are brain activies.
Some people find this hard to face, since it follows that everything we are is physical, and we do not persist after death.


Although you start off with the definition of double aspect theory, what you go on to describe and assert sounds like mind-brain identity theory.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:50 pm

felix dakat wrote:
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“One of the theories defined in James Baldwin's Dictionary of Philosophy and Psychology, published in 1901, is 'The Double Aspect Theory'. It is 'the theory of the relation of mind and body, which teaches that mental and bodily facts are parallel manifestations of a single underlying reality”.


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No. It says that a pattern of neural firing in the brain and a thought in the mind are different aspects of the same thing. Your dictionary definition nailed it.


Can you explain what you mean by the same thing? The definition expressly differentiates the brain and mind twice.


The double aspect theory or dual aspect theory as it is also called is a type of mind-body monism. Accordingly the mental and material are different aspects or attributes of a unitary reality which is itself neither mental or material. So mind and brain are two aspects of the same thing. Of course, that raises the ontico-onticological question: what do we mean by "thing"?

Various types of energy(most unidentified)in infinite patterns. Thingness=energy pattern
Mind and body are not of the same energy or the same pattern.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby kowtaaia » Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:07 pm

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WendyDarling wrote:Moments ago, I had a thought that definitely freaked me out.

Do we do our actual thinking in our brains or does it occur in the mind (soul)?...


That's the wrong question. We don't do thinking. The thinker is created by thought. The 'mind of brain' is thought. Soul/spirit etc. is an invention of thought. There's a body and its thought process and that's it. The so called 'outside world' and awareness is a different story, altogether.

Okay, what is the right question? Then tell me about that different story, if you don’t mind(ironic fun pun double entendre).


That's something you need to figure out, but it might be unrelated to the thought that freaked you out. Your original question was "does thinking happen in the brain or the mind?" If the mind is thought, what would the question be or would it be?

I mentioned the 'different story' so you wouldn't assume I meant that the body and its thought process was all there was.
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:23 pm

Wendy, don't forget about me...

WendyDarling wrote:Why do you speculate that there are three aspects: brain, mind, and soul?


Probably this:

WendyDarling wrote:
Do we do our actual thinking in our brains or does it occur in the mind (soul)?


WendyDarling wrote:Ah, I was showing that the mind and soul are synonymous for me. Mind/soul. Is that better?


iambiguous wrote:Actually, what interests me far more about discussions of this sort, is not what we believe about something intellectually/spiritually "in our head" but how, existentially, we came to believe it given the life that we have lived. While others, living very different lives, believe something else instead.

This and the part where [even to ourselves] we make the attempt to demonstrate "experientially/experimentally" why we believe what we do.

Then going here:

The next time someone reading this is in a situation where they are struggling to decide what is the right thing to do, or a situation in which another challenges their own behavior, let them come here and, to the best of their ability, attempt to make their own distinction between the brain, the mind and the soul.


On other threads, regarding other things, I have attempted to persuade you to go there.

Perhaps now...here?
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Re: Brain vs Mind

Postby felix dakat » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:17 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
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WendyDarling wrote:Various types of energy(most unidentified)in infinite patterns. Thingness=energy pattern
Mind and body are not of the same energy or the same pattern.


If by energy you mean the quantitative property that must be transferred to a body or physical system to perform work on the body or to heat it as physicists do, then by defining mind and body as patterns of energy, your theory is ultimately a physicalist one. Whereas according to the double aspect theory, the physical and mental are two aspects of some third X. Spinoza called it the universal substance. William James called it beyond subjectivity and objectivity. Schelling called it the identity of spirit and nature. Schlierermacher called it the universe or the cosmic whole. Hegel called it absolute spirit. Heidegger called it Being.
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