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In Greek mythology, Narcissus was a hunter from Thespiae in Boeotia who was known for his beauty. According to Tzetzes, he was a Laconian hunter who loved everything beautiful. Narcissus was proud, in that he disdained those who loved him, causing some to commit suicide to prove their devotion to his striking beauty.
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In Greek mythology, Narcissus was a hunter from Thespiae in Boeotia who was known for his beauty. According to Tzetzes, he was a Laconian hunter who loved everything beautiful. Narcissus was proud, in that he disdained those who loved him, causing some to commit suicide to prove their devotion to his striking beauty.
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promethean75 wrote:See but even that last guy's interpretation of narcissism is still tainted with this idea that a narcissist must be defending himself from some kind of external threat or personal inadequacy. Notice he said 'safeguarding'? He wants to keep with that spirit of resentment that has characterized modern psychology for centuries and suggest that the narcissist isn't really in confidence with himself... that there is really some subterranean insecurity and doubt in him.
Lemme tell ya, the healthy narcissist is none of this, and is impervious to all this envious criticism if his perceived sense of greatness. Believe it or not, there are some narcissists who really are the genuine article... who really are the genuine badass.
promethean75 wrote:
He wants to keep with that spirit of resentment that has characterized modern psychology for centuries and suggest that the narcissist isnt really in
confidence with himself ... that there is really some subterranean insecurity and doubt in him
surreptitious75 wrote:promethean75 wrote:
He wants to keep with that spirit of resentment that has characterized modern psychology for centuries and suggest that the narcissist isnt really in
confidence with himself ... that there is really some subterranean insecurity and doubt in him
Of course there is because anyone obsessed with external appearance is obviously insecure to a very high degree
But the real insecurity will be a psychological one rather than a physical one and will be deep within their psyche
The obsession with external self is probably a way of guaranteeing that no cracks show up on the outside where anyone can see them
While the internal ones even though they are more deep will be hidden more effectively because fewer will know of their existence
The ideal however should be to confront those demons and to get better rather than just putting on a brave face all of the time
The abyss does not cease to exist simply because one closes their eyes when looking into it as it has to be confronted eventually
Meno_ wrote:surreptitious75 wrote:
He wants to keep with that spirit of resentment that has characterized modern psychology for centuries and suggest that the narcissist isnt really in
confidence with himself ... that there is really some subterranean insecurity and doubt in him
Of course there is because anyone obsessed with external appearance is obviously insecure to a very high degree
But the real insecurity will be a psychological one rather than a physical one and will be deep within their psyche
The obsession with external self is probably a way of guaranteeing that no cracks show up on the outside where anyone can see them
While the internal ones even though they are more deep will be hidden more effectively because fewer will know of their existence
The ideal however should be to confront those demons and to get better rather than just putting on a brave face all of the time
The abyss does not cease to exist simply because one closes their eyes when looking into it as it has to be confronted eventually
Aegean wrote:The idea that an absolute being would be so concerned with the lives of an individual organism in a small, tiny, corner of the cosmos, is the epitome of overcompensating arrogance.
The speed-humility hiding an arrogance that masks insecurity and self-hatred: 3 x depth of hypocrisy.
Of course there is because anyone obsessed with external appearance is obviously insecure to a very high degree
But the real insecurity will be a psychological one rather than a physical one and will be deep within their psyche
promethean75 wrote:Of course there is because anyone obsessed with external appearance is obviously insecure to a very high degree
But the real insecurity will be a psychological one rather than a physical one and will be deep within their psyche
most of the narcissism we've come to understand belongs to people who's pride and self-love is observably disproportionate to what we would expect to warrant that right. trump, for example. clearly a narcissist, but also clearly an uninteresting, untalented nobody who's rise to power is purely circumstantial... not the result of exhibiting talents that nobody else could, therefore making him exceptional. he's just a guy born into money, and because of that money, ended up in a position of power.
now because of people like this we've learned to associate narcissism with a concept that has become collectively accepted, developed and cultivated in modern psychology as a kind of disorder. the world is so full of flakes like this, we are no longer able to perceive an instance of warranted pride and self-love... because they all ended up being fakes. likewise, we then associate what we now call a disorder (because so many flakes have it) with a defense-mechanism... and naturally so. clearly, because trump is a flake, his exaggerated pride and self-love is unwarranted, but it has to be caused by something... so it must be a complicated psychological condition that generates it.
okay, but here's the thing. there are people who are genuinely exceptional, absolutely in love with themselves, couldn't care less what anyone thinks of them, and aren't 'compensating' for anything through the same kind of delusion the flakes exhibit in their own unwarranted narcissism.
the difficult part is sorting those from the others, and its here where the observer comes into play and affects the outcome of the conclusion. typically anyone who rules absolutely that narcissism is a 'disorder' has either a) only observed the flakes, or b) observed exceptional people who they then become envious of. and this is why i said earlier that modern understandings of narcissism have come to be closely related to resentment. ordinary people don't want to feel ordinary, and so despise people who feel/are extraordinary by virtue of that. basically the concept becomes something like this: 'how dare you think yourself great while i have nothing great to identify with myself.'
and it may also be because such people have never experienced such an elevated sense of pride and self-admiration themselves, to be able to know that these things aren't always results of psychological defense mechanisms. they then presume, as a result of their inability to experience a genuine case of it themselves, that anyone else exhibiting signs of narcissism is undeserving of it.
that is to say, they have to interpret narcissism either as an expression of the disorder of the flakes, or as some alien state of uniqueness/exceptionalism and self-respect that they are unable to have themselves. it's the kind of thing where if you know, you know. or better yet, it would take one to know one.
when speaking of narcissism, speak only to narcissists (the real ones, i mean).
Aegean wrote:All emotion can become corruptive to reasoning.
Hate, but also love.
Aegean wrote:To know one's self is to know the entirely. The primal. The irrational. That which dare not reveal itself - sometimes not even to itself.
we live in the lucid part - I use 'ego' to differentiate it from the other two parts of identity.
egoselfSelf.
animals offer insight into the self, the middle part, as it relates to past - before birth - that which is inherited genetically.
An unbroken continuity of memories.
Aegean wrote:To know one's self is to know the entirely. The primal. The irrational. That which dare not reveal itself - sometimes not even to itself.
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