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Existence...

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:50 pm

...the singularity. Also known as the absolute.
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Re: Existence...

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:29 am

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Re: Existence...

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:05 am

Existence is...

no beginning,

no end.
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Re: Existence...

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:06 am

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Can't argue with that. O:)
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Re: Existence...

Postby Sculptor » Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:28 am

WendyDarling wrote:Existence is...

no beginning,

no end.


Prove it!
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Re: Existence...

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:40 am

Sculptor wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Existence is...

no beginning,

no end.


Prove it!


Imagine a patchwork quilt. The quilt housing a pattern made up of squares. Each square is a quilt housing another quilt ad infinitum.

Chaos is not observable. Chaos is a theory. Chaos is non-existent.

Patterns are observable. All is a pattern.
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Re: Existence...

Postby obsrvr524 » Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:46 am

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The entire universe is an eternal war - with no exit strategy
- much like the US military. O:)
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Re: Existence...

Postby aniceguy » Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:38 pm

The kook got his chaos obsession from the myths the Ancient Greeks held regarding the origins of the universe(Homer etc.) and then applied pseudo-science and bullshit to it to make it seem viable and rational to his Yank atheist secularist friends who ridicule any idea or religiosity. There is no chaos and there is no order outside human perception interacting with the world, just like there is no hot or cold, far and close, easy and hard, interaction and stillness, flow and whatever else, outside human perception interacting with the world in which that perception finds independent things it perceives as such and such.
Take chaos and order as a thing in itself...what would chaos be? things happening for no reason? things emerging without a pre-condition and cause? things having no degree of order? of predictability???what would pure chaos be? things able to do anything? things being able to do nothing? and assume order emerged out of things being able to do anything...well...you would need to apply order to this pre-condition to both verify that things were indeed able to do anything and to extract the chain of events that led to an establishment of order...and if you got order out of something that had a causative chain that happened chronologically...then its not much of a pure chaos, is it??? and we end up at the entry point...there is no order and chaos without humans cognition and they occur on a degree scale and are not things of themselves so...unless you want to argue there was...some kind of intelligence present at the beginning that was able to interpret them as such and such...the idea of order and chaos makes fuckall sense.
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Re: Existence...

Postby aniceguy » Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:47 pm

There is no point wasting your time with idiots who think metaphysics and philosophy is science whilst having no clue what science is either...its a bit embarrassing to see adults work on this level in public to be honest...we are addicted to the idea of a creator...things simply are and happen for no reason...its not as if human cognition is reliant on causes and effects and an idea of something that came out of nothing makes no sense to it...we are addicted to God...daddy issues...universe simply is...simple as...all things have a reason and are an effect of something prior but universe simply is and has always been and this is both logical and intuitive...give me a break... :-& :-& :-&
i am not saying god exists...i am saying you are an imbecile if you think providing a reason that makes no sense to human cognition(no effect) that simply provides a paradox and explains everything with a paradox and leaves it at a paradox whilst accusing others of being irrational and superstitious for speculating about what could hide behind this paradox makes any sense...
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Re: Existence...

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:54 pm

aniceguy wrote:There is no point wasting your time with idiots who think metaphysics and philosophy is science whilst having no clue what science is either...its a bit embarrassing to see adults work on this level in public to be honest...we are addicted to the idea of a creator...things simply are and happen for no reason...its not as if human cognition is reliant on causes and effects and an idea of something that came out of nothing makes no sense to it...we are addicted to God...daddy issues...universe simply is...simple as...all things have a reason and are an effect of something prior but universe simply is and has always been and this is both logical and intuitive...give me a break... :-& :-& :-&
i am not saying god exists...i am saying you are an imbecile if you think providing a reason that makes no sense to human cognition(no effect) that simply provides a paradox and explains everything with a paradox and leaves it at a paradox whilst accusing others of being irrational and superstitious for speculating about what could hide behind this paradox makes any sense...


Chaos is when all understanding ceases to exist. What are your thoughts about that statement?
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Re: Existence...

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:00 pm

aniceguy wrote:There is no point wasting your time with idiots who think metaphysics and philosophy is science whilst having no clue what science is either...its a bit embarrassing to see adults work on this level in public to be honest...we are addicted to the idea of a creator...things simply are and happen for no reason...its not as if human cognition is reliant on causes and effects and an idea of something that came out of nothing makes no sense to it...we are addicted to God...daddy issues...universe simply is...simple as...all things have a reason and are an effect of something prior but universe simply is and has always been and this is both logical and intuitive...give me a break... :-& :-& :-&
i am not saying god exists...i am saying you are an imbecile if you think providing a reason that makes no sense to human cognition(no effect) that simply provides a paradox and explains everything with a paradox and leaves it at a paradox whilst accusing others of being irrational and superstitious for speculating about what could hide behind this paradox makes any sense...


Is this directed at me?
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Re: Existence...

Postby aniceguy » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:53 pm

fuck chaos...who even uses this term and where is it in popular circulation???just because a bunch of autistic neo-nazis from Canada formed a cult around a Greek kook and began cosplaying Ancient Greeks and using their own 'lingo' and I was a part of the cult and at one point a neo-nazi(embarrassing to admit) does not mean we should take it seriously or suddenly begin using it as if its an everyday term or a scientifically reputable one...if anybody is in doubt they are a bunch of clowns with few screws loose then I can clearly demonstrate why that is if somebody is in doubt and if not and you trust me then why would you waste your time on insane kooks???
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Re: Existence...

Postby aniceguy » Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:11 pm

they lie and lie and lie and then they believe it because they have few screws loose...full of shit. and the greek kook is a master manipulator and bullshitter and liar without an ounce of self-moderation/self-reflection or dignity in him. he will literally make up a lie accusing somebody of something and then go do it himself next and praise himself for it later...this is the caliber of person you are dealing with.
have a look here:...
If you know of an absolute that does not depend on your mind to exist then show me.
If you've discovered a singularity, don't tell me, show me.


Chaos is not non-existent.
Chaos is part of existence, though it is unobservable because organisms can only perceive order.


Nevertheless, they interact, because they exist, with patterned energies. but we can perceive them indirectly through how they affect patterns - slightly modifying them, changing them, so that patterns never repeat in absolutely the same ways eternally.

...If anybody is not certain what this kook is doing...we cannot see chaos but we can know its there(unlike speculating about absolutes, which we must show or else we are banned from talking about it and doing so makes us insane and religious) because otherwise order would repeat in absolutely the same way eternally...so he is claiming to be certain that patterns are not repeating eternally based on what(and hence, somehow and by his word, this means unseen chaos is there)???his deep knowledge of how patterns unfold throughout eternity which is an absolute term???I thought eternity did not exist...and yet this idiot brings it up as a counter-proposition and a necessary pre-condition to prove his genius idiocies that chaos exists...this idiot is DEEPLY confused and is loosing track of his own thoughts. he makes up an argumeent which relies on the existence of an absolute eternity(which he also dismisses) to necessisate an existence of chaos...and best of all, fails to see how ridicolously illogical and contradictory this is...hes a genius, leave him to his disciples to decode his mysteries... :-? :-? :-?
to the really confused: if you need chaos or else patterns would repeat infinitely but infinity itself does not exist then patterns cant repeat infinitely with or without chaos so chaos does not have to exist at all...get it??? :-? :-? :-?
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Re: Existence...

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:19 pm

aniceguy wrote:they lie and lie and lie and then they believe it because they have few screws loose...full of shit. and the greek kook is a master manipulator and bullshitter and liar without an ounce of self-moderation/self-reflection or dignity in him. he will literally make up a lie accusing somebody of something and then go do it himself next and praise himself for it later...this is the caliber of person you are dealing with.
have a look here:...
If you know of an absolute that does not depend on your mind to exist then show me.
If you've discovered a singularity, don't tell me, show me.


Chaos is not non-existent.
Chaos is part of existence, though it is unobservable because organisms can only perceive order.


Nevertheless, they interact, because they exist, with patterned energies. but we can perceive them indirectly through how they affect patterns - slightly modifying them, changing them, so that patterns never repeat in absolutely the same ways eternally.

...If anybody is not certain what this kook is doing...we cannot see chaos but we can know its there(unlike speculating about absolutes, which we must show or else we are banned from talking about it and doing so makes us insane and religious) because otherwise order would repeat in absolutely the same way eternally...so he is claiming to be certain that patterns are not repeating eternally based on what(and hence, somehow and by his word, this means unseen chaos is there)???his deep knowledge of how patterns unfold throughout eternity which is an absolute term???I thought eternity did not exist...and yet this idiot brings it up as a counter-proposition and a necessary pre-condition to prove his genius idiocies that chaos exists...this idiot is DEEPLY confused and is loosing track of his own thoughts. he makes up an argumeent which relies on the existence of an absolute eternity(which he also dismisses) to necessisate an existence of chaos...and best of all, fails to see how ridicolously illogical and contradictory this is...hes a genius, leave him to his disciples to decode his mysteries... :-? :-? :-?
to the really confused: if you need chaos or else patterns would repeat infinitely but infinity itself does not exist then patterns cant repeat infinitely with or without chaos so chaos does not have to exist at all...get it??? :-? :-? :-?


Very astute observations. Thank you.
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Re: Existence...

Postby aniceguy » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:27 pm

o cmon darling, you are making me blush overhere :oops: :oops: :oops:
I am ABSOLUTELY blushing and I CAN SHOW IT TO YOUR EYES!!!(so it must be true)
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Re: Existence...

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:44 pm

Wtf...

The proof is very simple. Nothing at all (by definition! And this is definitional logic!) can’t exist.

Thus, existence exists.

Definitionally true without god.

God is not in that logical proof.
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Re: Existence...

Postby aniceguy » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:51 pm

I will take your word for it, just like I will take the Canadian Heraclituses word for the fact that chaos is not actually a thing and it does not exist but is a 'degree' process/thing/degree on a profound scale of chaos/order where there is not actual chaos, where order does not have its English definition but a unique and undefined one, there is a dichotomy based on things that don't exist and things are observable without being observable nor the arguments for their existence making any sense...
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Re: Existence...

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:56 pm

aniceguy wrote:I will take your word for it, just like I will take the Canadian Heraclituses word for the fact that chaos is not actually a thing and it does not exist but is a 'degree' process/thing/degree on a profound scale of chaos/order where there is not actual chaos, where order does not have its English definition but a unique and undefined one, there is a dichotomy based on things that don't exist and things are observable without being observable nor the arguments for their existence making any sense...


Yeah... they just call it complexity theory now.

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Re: Existence...

Postby aniceguy » Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:16 pm

Freudianism and Scientism,,,the salt of the earth of the soul of a modern Yank that lives in a big city or thinks he thinks for himself. Lying clowns.
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Re: Existence...

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:10 pm

WendyDarling wrote:...the singularity. Also known as the absolute.


I am surprised by the lack of philosophizing since this thread deals with the nature of reality. Applying logic, reason, what I've always been told philosophy was all about.

If social commentary and rehashing unimportance's is more worthy, carry on ILP.

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Can anybody sum up the Theory of Complexity?
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Re: Existence...

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:15 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:...the singularity. Also known as the absolute.


I am surprised by the lack of philosophizing since this thread deals with the nature of reality. Applying logic, reason, what I've always been told philosophy was all about.

I didn't think you were intending a serious discussion. :-?

I don't think "a singularity" and "the absolute" are quite the same thing. A singularity is the ultimate concentration of a substance - money - matter - energy - - ignorance ---

I don't think a true absolute singularity can exist.
WendyDarling wrote:Can anybody sum up the Theory of Complexity?

- As it applies to what? - I think you have to be more specific.

Complexity and singularity are opposite types of order. In order for certain type of entities to exist there must be a complex system that yields opportunities for elaborate structure and construction - life requires a complex system - socialism/communism destroys life due to its concentrated simplicity - too close to being a singularity.
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Re: Existence...

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:35 pm

I started working on this over at KT.

Logic dictates that conscious existence is the only existence. Only self-defeating, lazy logic demands that creation create itself, which is antithetical to logic. So that leaves, creation as eternal, immutable. It is but it only is due to consciousness, underlies all creation. Only in bizarre fantasies does something, such as consciousness, come from an explosion of nothing. I can't find a shred of logic in even pondering that. Especially since nothing or non-existence is not a possibility based on the actuality of existence, being all.

Next step, reasons based on observations.

Repetition? If patterns alter, no true repetition. That is the overall logic of inherent change built into the progression of time.

Cyclical repetitions, such as orbiting, planetary shapes, day to night, etc., often observed except in terms of the progression of time, which needs addressing.

The circle. Observed often but never in perfect form. So for the non-committal afraid of discovery, let's call existence circular but non-perfect, to make it bite-sized.

My contention beyond existence being the Singularity, in terms of being the Absolute, is that oscillating "patterns" form both the known and unknown reality, however our limited perception cannot detect such invisible complexity.

Why oscillating? A central hub makes more sense if we draw from our overall understanding of reality. Points to eternal oscillation on quantum levels of interactivity, dimensions above our space/time, and below our space/time.

Discuss?
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Re: Existence...

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:00 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:...the singularity. Also known as the absolute.


I am surprised by the lack of philosophizing since this thread deals with the nature of reality. Applying logic, reason, what I've always been told philosophy was all about.

I didn't think you were intending a serious discussion. :-?

I don't think "a singularity" and "the absolute" are quite the same thing. A singularity is the ultimate concentration of a substance - money - matter - energy - - ignorance ---

I don't think a true absolute singularity can exist.
WendyDarling wrote:Can anybody sum up the Theory of Complexity?

- As it applies to what? - I think you have to be more specific.

Complexity and singularity are opposite types of order. In order for certain type of entities to exist there must be a complex system that yields opportunities for elaborate structure and construction - life requires a complex system - socialism/communism destroys life due to its concentrated simplicity - too close to being a singularity.

Existence is the only concentration of matter/energy/everything known as it, thus a singularity by its very definition. Absolute because it is eternal.
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Re: Existence...

Postby aniceguy » Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:09 pm

I dont see any connection between patterns, energy, oscillation, and an idea of an absolute. Stop trying to apply psuedo-scientific, botched physics snippets to philosophy.
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Re: Existence...

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:21 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Existence is the only concentration of matter/energy/everything known as it, thus a singularity by its very definition. Absolute because it is eternal.

To have a concentration - there must be something that isn't concentrated - same with a singularity - it can't exist unless there exists something that it isn't.
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