Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling).

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Under what conditions do you exist, live, especially where your home is, where you live?

Poll runs till Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:23 pm

I) The conditions are VERY BAD.
2
14%
II) The conditions are BAD.
1
7%
III) The conditions are MEDIOCRE (AVERAGE, UNDISTINGUISHED).
2
14%
IV) The conditions are GOOD.
2
14%
V) The conditions are VERY GOOD.
7
50%
 
Total votes : 14

Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby Kathrina » Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:37 am

Rather a house of the lower class?
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Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:25 am

does not matter...as long as i am with my family, my local countrymen, my country in general, my civilisation, my race i can live in a tent. people who obsess over things like weather, seasons, temperatures, parts of town, fauna, sun hours and so on are empty inside.
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby Meno_ » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:10 am

Otto wrote:Maybe you should prefer a middle-class house?




Let me remind You Ofto, & Polish Youth, the deal is this: memory even in spurts is ever so important.


In the 18th century, the palace of Versailles syank of piss and shit, because until Marie Antoniette there were no bidets or toilette.

The stink overcame the aristocrats, who had to spray a-toilette on themselves to bear it.

That did mot mean a lack of exquisite taste it spendour, only everybody did their thing wherever they could go.

So high class and taste do not and did not always correspond.



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This is Versailles

The Lack of Toilets
There were hardly any toilets at Versailles and with a court counting several thousand people it turned out to be more than a little problem. The servants, the commoners who came to look at their monarch even the aristocrats would occasionally relieve themselves in corners and courtyards though this was not as often as has later been implied. Visitors - including Horace Walpole - complained about the awful smell that hung over everything; even the gardens were not free for the hideous odour. Thanks to the many reports of ambassadors and foreign visitors the splendid palace became known as one of the filthiest in the world - not exactly what had been expected. The problem became so acute that Louis XIV put a new rule in place according to which the hallways were to be cleansed for faeces (if there was any) and dirt once every week. Also, many of the King's beloved orange trees were put into vases inside the palace in an attempt to mask the smells.

However, there were other alternatives since - after all - relieving yourself in a corner was far from being socially approved. During the many parties held at Versailles it was not uncommon for the guests to bribe the servants of the courtiers to let them use their masters' chamberpots and if this was not possible there were "commodes" where the toilets are currently located. So at least something was done about it but as you say no smoke without fire!


The Queen's toilet
Courtiers who lived at Versailles would often have their own "commode" which was a seat with a chamber pot underneath; it was brought when needed and then taken away when you were done. It is estimated that there were 300 of these at Versailles but it was not near enough. Th ruthlessly honest Duc de Saint-Simon once said of the Princesse d'Harcourt that she would often urinate while walking making her hated by the many servants who had to clean up after her. It was even said of Louis XIV himself would go to the toilet while driving a carriage! When at Fontainebleau the courtiers would normally hold their water until dusk at which time they would rush to the lawns and simply do their business then and there.
No one thought of training the many pet dogs of the courts to go outside so occasionally these would urinate indoors to the embarrassment of their owners. Consequently, the animals would contribute as well to the "delicious" smells everywhere.

Just like in the city servants threw out waste from night pots into the inner courtyards; a story goes that once the Dauphine Marie Antoinette and her sister-in-law the Comtesse de Provence were headed for the apartments of Madame Victoire when they stopped at an inner courtyard for a moment. Just at that time a servant threw out such a night pot out the window nearly hitting the two princesses - some might think that it was done on purpose considering that the window belonged to Madame du Barry! The only people who had actual toilets were the King, the Queen and the Dauphin and these were not installed until 1768. It seems strange though that iron pipes could be dug to provide water for the fountains in the gardens but not to carry away waste...
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A few years ago my wife and I visited Versailles and I asked the question 'where were the toilets in the days of Louis XIV. The well informed guide said she had no idea but guessed that people just did whatever was necessary in a corner of room! Or ducked through a hidden doorway.





In 1613 Andre Le Notre created a network of reservoirs and canals stretching for 18 1/2 miles outside the chateau. A massive pumping machine thought to be the 8th wonder of the world brought water from the Seine River. Soooooo if they didn't have toilets... something way worse than the smell was going on.


Just like in the city servants threw out waste from night pots into the inner courtyards; a story goes that once the Dauphine Marie Antoinette and her sister-in-law the Comtesse de Provence were headed for the apartments of Madame Victoire when they stopped at an inner courtyard for a moment. Just at that time a servant threw out such a night pot out the window nearly hitting the two princesses - some might think that it was done on purpose considering that the window belonged to Madame du Barry! The only people who had actual toilets were the King, the Queen and the Dauphin and these were not installed until 1768. It seems strange though that iron pipes could be dug to provide water for the fountains in the gardens but not to carry away waste... wayfair coupon 20% entire purchase
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Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:27 pm

One has to distinguish between honest Marxian sense and Leninist-Marxist or any other dishonest term like Charles Murrays and other libertarian kooks ideas of class. In Marxs analysis, class simply refers to the control of modes of production the person has and excludes and quasi-moral or superior/inferior ranking...In Leninist-Marxist terms the class is built into a religious term and in the modern, American sense it is a mishmash of moral rank, prestige rank and so many terms and concepts(as is usual in the modern American anarchy) that I can't be bothered to write them out. What this woman referred to is class in a prestigious and stuck-up sense of a middle-class hen like MagsJ who thinks material possessions perfectly correlate with quality of life and a broader quality on an individual so if one is poor or works a manual job he is 'worse' and if he lives in a castle then he is 'better'(heavily deluded).
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby Otto » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:36 pm

Meno_ wrote:In the 18th century, the palace of Versailles syank of piss and shit, because until Marie Antoniette there were no bidets or toilette.

The stink overcame the aristocrats, who had to spray a-toilette on themselves to bear it.

That did mot mean a lack of exquisite taste it spendour, only everybody did their thing wherever they could go.

So high class and taste do not and did not always correspond.

They could not do "their thing" there. Everyone had a task, a post of service. These servants were adorned with titles of nobility. Everyone was proud to be some servant of the king. Only the king could do his thing.

Those servants were mostly from the lower nobility. In fact, the lower nobility was completely impoverished. Everyone from this lower nobility was happy to have an artificially ennobled servant position with the king and was proud of it. That was absolutely decadent.

At that time, the nobles did not wash themselves. The whole hygiene was pathetic. That's why it stank so bestially and disgustingly there.

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Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby Kathrina » Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:32 pm

I come from a farm. This farm looks a little different today than the following photo shows. I am not going to send a photo from more recent times.

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Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:37 pm

A farm is a good life but hard. My uncle had a farm but he eventually sold it. Are you worried some creep will stalk you???...that reminds me to check ph0nes IG to see what I missed recently. :oops: :oops: :oops:
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby Otto » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:08 am

I was once a world-famous astronaut and often lived in a space capsule and a landing module (thanks for all this, Wernher von Braun). Later, I changed my identity, my gender too and married Obama's husband (thanks for all this, Barack).

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Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby Great Again » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:58 am

From nomadic dwellers to sedentary dwellers and from sedentary dwellers to nomadic dwellers like Otto and his ilk in space?

From nomadic dwellers to sedentary dwellers.

The transition from nomadic dwellers to sedentary dwellers took place through the so-called "Neolithic Revolution". Numerous cultural innovations occurred as a result of the introduction of the productive economy: it allowed man to become sedentary, cultivating the same soil for several years; this, in turn, had as a consequence that he began to construct solid houses, to design building concepts.

The first sedentary people developed the first cult of architecture in the first cities, which were built as markets on rivers. The cuboid became the basic element of architecture. The first sacred buildings were also built, and polygonal wall construction began. This "immunological" sphere served as protection against enemies, but also for the identity of socio-economic communities.

The vegetation cycle "sowing, ripening, harvesting" found its expression in religious ideas and it was compared with the life cycle: "birth, becoming, death". With the beginning of the producing economy a strong population increase was connected: by the cultivation of grain and by the later animal husbandry more humans could be fed; this larger becoming community could manage again more fields, with which again more humans found nourishment etc.. This also gave man a different relationship to land, which he had to constantly claim and hold in his possession if he wanted to cultivate it in the long term. From this arose not only other relationships to property, but also claims to power and thus conflict with neighboring communities. Group aggression, which is hardly ever found among hunter-gatherer peoples, was the result.

Instead of just gathering what nature yields, sedentary people grow grain and raise livestock - it should be remembered that this ability to produce agricultural food has remained a foundation to our present day. Since the time when grain was grown and domestic animals were bred to increase the food supply, farmers have been able to stay in one place year-round, including building large permanent dwellings to house many implements. The breeding of domestic animals was already practiced by some of the nomads in the Upper Paleolithic - perhaps they were semi-sedentary (semi-nomads) - but this was done more for reasons of specialized hunting, that is, for reasons more of the appropriating than the producing mode of economy. Through the producing mode of economy the domestic animal breeding got a second aspect, which however should have much more far-reaching consequences than the first aspect. A third aspect was also to be added later: Domestic animal breeding for luxury reasons or comfort reasons.
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Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby Alf » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:44 pm

Otto wrote:Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling).

What has your existence been like?
How and where do you live, reside, dwell?

How should your existence be like?
How and where do you want to live, reside, dwell?

I come from the rural area, as you can perhaps see from my avatar. But I have also experienced urban and metropolitan life, but I must say that the rural life pleases me more.
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Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby Otto » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:57 pm

You have more space.
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Re: Existence and Life. Instance: Home and Housing (Dwelling

Postby Alf » Thu May 27, 2021 1:39 pm

Otto wrote:You have more space.

Yes, and group solidarity is even more prevalent than in urban areas.
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