Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:09 pm

phyllo wrote:Well she's asking you to research 'psyche' and 'identity' and then write a summary of what you found and your conclusions/thoughts about it. Not terribly difficult but it will take a bit of time.


And I'm asking her to take her own "research" into them and to note how they are applicable given the distinction I make between one's psyche and one's sense of identity in the either/or world, and the manner in which I construe "I" in the is/ought world.

Given a particular set of circumstances in which liberals and conservatives have conflicting moral and political agendas.

Wouldn't this make her point far, far more effable?

But, what do you do:

phyllo wrote:What do you do?

You find and paste a dictionary definition and you post the usual questions.

Obviously, what she is asking is important to her. But it's not important to you so you can't be bothered.


You turn back to me. I'm the problem here because I don't think about it like she does.

phyllo wrote:If you did what she asked, then maybe she would talk to you again. A simple "I'll do this for you if you do this for me" interaction.


How about this:

You and phoneutria begin a discussion regarding the distinction I make above about knowledge in the OP. Then in regard to both psyche and identity you "illustrate the text" and show us all what she is getting at here.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phyllo » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:30 pm

You turn back to me. I'm the problem here because I don't think about it like she does.
You are the problem.

You insult people and then want to have "civil exchange" with them.

You ask people to do things for you and you do nothing for them.

You take no responsibility for your behaviors.

"fuck off" is the logical response.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:40 pm

Larry wrote:
You turn back to me. I'm the problem here because I don't think about it like she does.
You are the problem.

You insult people and then want to have "civil exchange" with them.

You ask people to do things for you and you do nothing for them.

You take no responsibility for your behaviors.

"fuck off" is the logical response.


Okay, I've managed to piss you off again. Phyllo is gone and Larry is back. You're in Stooge mode. In caustic "retort" mode.

There's still this though:

You and phoneutria begin a discussion regarding the distinction I make above about knowledge in the OP. Then in regard to both psyche and identity you "illustrate the text" and show us all what she is getting at here.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phyllo » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:14 pm

I'm not pissed off at all.

I'm telling how you come across on this forum.

Sure, it's my subjective opinion. But a lot of the other posters are saying the same or similar things about you.

If you listened to what people said about you, then you could change and you might have better interactions.

But it's your decision as to what you want to do.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:40 pm

phyllo wrote: I'm not pissed off at all.


My mistake then. Though you sure "inflected" that way to my own trained perception.

phyllo wrote: I'm telling how you come across on this forum.


No, you're telling me how you think others think I come across. But all I can do is react to them from my own frame of mind.

phyllo wrote:Sure, it's my subjective opinion. But a lot of the other posters are saying the same or similar things about you.


Okay, but my "pitch" is that a lot of posters here are uncomfortable with the manner in which I suggest that, given the arguments I make in my signature threads, it's reasonable that their own "I" should be fractured and fragmented too. After all, I still recall how disturbed I was when I began to successfully deconstruct my "self" in regard to my own objectivist moral and political values.

All I can do is to ask others to explain to the best of their ability why they do not construe their own moral and political value judgments as "I" do. And then as the exchange unfolds they can note specific instances of all the things they accuse me of.

phyllo wrote: If you listened to what people said about you, then you could change and you might have better interactions.


But I can only listen to what they say from inside my head, not theirs. And, given that, I don't find it at all unusual that communication often breaks down. Given that, in regard to the question, "how ought one to live?" communication breakdowns here are as much the rule as the exception. And not just between liberals and conservatives.

phyllo wrote: But it's your decision as to what you want to do.


Well, it's my decision given the extent to which I can understand my own motivations and intentions given the extent to which I understand myself as, among other things, the embodiment of this:

He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:39 am

earn ur respect lol ur respect is worth literally nothing
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:12 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:earn ur respect lol ur respect is worth literally nothing


He must spend hours conjuring up these posts. The sheer ingenuity of a mind this clever!

And who among us would dare to disrespect that, right?

Well, some of the fulminating fanatic Kids, perhaps.

Though of course with them, we do battle together!

If, with him, only one line at a time. 8)
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:45 am

stop being so needy
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:46 am

im legit starting to feel like im picking on a retarded person this is just weird
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:03 pm

Shit Smears wrote:stop being so needy

Shit Smears wrote:im legit starting to feel like im picking on a retarded person this is just weird


He must spend hours seconds conjuring up these posts. The sheer ingenuity vapidity of a mind this clever dull!

Actually, this is more in the way of a challenge to him. If he is going to avoid a civil and intelligent exchange as Mr. Reasonable regarding the points raised in the OP, then, as Shit Smears, he can earn my respect as someone able at least to exchange clever barbs back and forth.

Note to phoneutria:

Sneak him a few, okay?
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:06 pm

phoneutria wrote:trusting anyone has never been possible
lol if u think politics works
lol if u waste your energy on this subject

it's not a matter of being hopeless
you're just putting your hope in the wrong place
don't be a sarcophagus, dude
be a seed
everything is going to be fine


We'll need an actual context of course.

Trusting someone about what given what situation? Politics working for who given what goals and intentions? Putting your hope in what right place in order to attain and than sustain what policies seeded in order to make what things fine?

Or is everything that she posts basically just tongue in cheek?
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phyllo » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:38 pm

Here's an idea ...

Why don't you NOT take a random quote from another thread and NOT paste it into this thread.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:35 pm

Larry wrote:Here's an idea ...

Why don't you NOT take a random quote from another thread and NOT paste it into this thread.


I'll try to explain my reasoning here. Though I suspect that no reason that I give has a snowball's chance in hell of sinking down into a Stooge brain so hell bent on "thumping me".

The reason I did that:

1] yes, I do have a thread devoted to nudging phoneutria into a substantive discussion with me. But that thread has been taken over by the yak yak yakkers and polishyouth. It's been devoured by those I most want gone from ILP.

2] I had no sooner created this thread when the very first person to post a response was...

phoneutria wrote:petition for all replies to this thread to be "fuck off"


3] she has in fact become an integral part of the thread itself. You yourself posted this in response to her:

phyllo wrote:
the reason i don't want to debate you
is you were disrespectful
of my time and willingness to humor you
and until you show
considerable effort to amend that
i am not wasting any more time
So what would he have to do, for you to start talking to him again?


Then this from her:

phoneutria wrote:
phyllo wrote:
the reason i don't want to debate you
is you were disrespectful
of my time and willingness to humor you
and until you show
considerable effort to amend that
i am not wasting any more time
So what would he have to do, for you to start talking to him again?


i already said this twice
and here's evidence of how fucking nice i am
to be posting it again
so he better bookmark it
or fucking copy and paste this into a notepad and save on his desktop
or take a literal pen and write it down on some tree corpses
whatever it is that old people do

it took a quick search
i put "psyche" in as keyword
and "phoneutria" as author
and these were right there
so if you loose the posts
at least don't loose these indexes
idiot
like i don't know why it's me who has to go looking for this shit
when he's the one who is most interested
anyway i am done

https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... &#p2755950

https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... &#p2781139


I trust that answers your question.

And, if you have any integrity, you might consider apologizing to me. On the other hand, keep them coming. Making a fool out of my Stooges is always entertaining! :lol:
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phyllo » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:03 pm

She asked you to do something.

You didn't do it.

She doesn't want to talk to you.

What's so fucking hard to understand?

Stop stalking her.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:03 pm

i cant imagine how frustrating is must be to be you.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:33 pm

phyllo wrote:She asked you to do something.

You didn't do it.

She doesn't want to talk to you.

What's so fucking hard to understand?

Stop stalking her.


Who is forcing her to talk to me?!!

Stalking her?!

I have noted but a teeny tiny fraction of her 4,100 posts at ILP. And when I create a thread aimed at discussing actual philosophy with someone who is not her and she posts...

phoneutria wrote:petition for all replies to this thread to be "fuck off"


...she is the one painting the target on her back.

Look, I'm grappling with a way to not think about myself in the world around me from a "glum, grim, and ghastly" frame of mind. So, when I note one of the very few really, really sharp minds still left here who does not appear to construe herself as "fractured and fragmented", I'm intrigued. I want to explore the extent to which she might actually be able to nudge me in a more constructive direction.

And, as well, being as much a polemicist as she appears to be, I'd like to engage her in the sort of spirited repartee that minds like yours and mr reasonable are simply not capable of.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:43 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:i cant imagine how frustrating is must be to be you.


Me? I'm the one who is challenging you to explore the distinction between human knowledge in the either/or world and human knowledge in the is/ought world. Between rational behavior in the stock market and rational thinking in defending capitalism as a political economy.

On a philosophy board in a philosophy venue.

What frustrates you so much that you can't even bring yourself to go there?

I have my own suspicions. Which I've noted here and elsewhere.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:55 pm

you aren't challenging anyone.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:56 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:you aren't challenging anyone.


On the contrary, I am challenging you to defend your point of view from the poop thread. I merely brought it here to the philosophy board given that I construed it to be a substantive assessment on your part.

I took it seriously in other words.

I simply have a different perspective on the nature of human knowledge given the distinction that I make in the OP.

Why you won't defend your point of view against mine, I can only speculate about. And I suspect it is because, on whatever level, you grasp what is at stake for you in regard to your own sense of self anchored to political convictions that are a lot closer to objectivism than to moral nihilism.

And, again, what interest me about you is what interest me about those like karpel tunnel: the distance between your own more sophisticated convictions and those of fulminating fanatics here. Particularly the right wing variants who embrace Trumpworld. And, with others, fascism for all intents and purposes.

But, with them, I have absolutely no respect at all for their intelligence. I just "interact" with them as entertainment.

And though I am no less "fractured and fragmented" with everyone here, some are clearly more intelligent than others. And, if there is any chance of yanking myself up out of the moral, political and philosophical hole I have dug myself into it is only going to be in exchanges with those I respect intellectually.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:49 am

tldr
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:36 am

Shit Smears wrote:tldr


You're lucky then. It would have embarrassed you all the more.

Next up: Shit Smears insists that I am not making a fool out of him.

Again, as it were. 8)
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:41 am

i think u r grossly miscalculating my capacity for embarrassment here. i mean, who would i be embarrassed in front of? which member, or members do you feel like i have a sense of needing to impress or uphold some image for?
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:45 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:i think u r grossly miscalculating my capacity for embarrassment here. i mean, who would i be embarrassed in front of? which member, or members do you feel like i have a sense of needing to impress or uphold some image for?


Note to others:

Which is worse, that he is not embarrassed or that he ought to be and doesn't even know it!

Yo, Pedro! You've been replaced!!! :lol:
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:14 am

You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phyllo » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:24 am

You're going to give him a heart attack. :auto-ambulance:
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