Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby MagsJ » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:33 pm

iambiguous wrote:But I still maintain that she is less "pissed off" at me than concerned that I will reconfigure her own moral and political value judgments into a frame of mind more like my own.

I believe this is why karpel tunnel left as well. And other "serious philosophers" here.

Do you really believe that? that that is the reason why most here won’t currently engage with you, or why some have left the ILP building?

Your inquires are non-inquiries, and your responses.. disingenuous non-responses, is why. If you cannot see that, then it is you who has the worst condition.. of them all.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:52 am

MagsJ wrote:
iambiguous wrote:But I still maintain that she is less "pissed off" at me than concerned that I will reconfigure her own moral and political value judgments into a frame of mind more like my own.

I believe this is why karpel tunnel left as well. And other "serious philosophers" here.

Do you really believe that? that that is the reason why most here won’t currently engage with you, or why some have left the ILP building?

Your inquires are non-inquiries, and your responses.. disingenuous non-responses, is why. If you cannot see that, then it is you who has the worst condition.. of them all.


Shouldn't you be yakking about something on the poop thread?

No, seriously, I can only believe what I do. Based on over twenty years of experience exchanging thoughts and feelings in philosophy venues. While at the same time acknowledging flat out that mine is no less a subjective reaction rooted in dasein.

Unless of course you or others here are able to offer me a definitive analysis that establishes beyond all doubt whether my suspicions are correct or incorrect.

How about this...

What is your own reaction to the points I raised with Mr. Reasonable on this thread? Given a set of circumstances in which we compare and contrast the accumulation of human knowledge in the either/or world and the accumulation of personal opinions in reacting to that objective knowledge given the staggering consequences embedded in conflicting goods down through the ages.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phoneutria » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:02 am

MagsJ wrote:
iambiguous wrote:But I still maintain that she is less "pissed off" at me than concerned that I will reconfigure her own moral and political value judgments into a frame of mind more like my own.

I believe this is why karpel tunnel left as well. And other "serious philosophers" here.

Do you really believe that? that that is the reason why most here won’t currently engage with you, or why some have left the ILP building?

Your inquires are non-inquiries, and your responses.. disingenuous non-responses, is why. If you cannot see that, then it is you who has the worst condition.. of them all.


lol @ concerned

biggie you are a low-rate thinker
don't delude yourself about that
the reason i don't want to debate you
is you were disrespectful
of my time and willingness to humor you
and until you show
considerable effort to amend that
i am not wasting any more time
also, please mind that it is you
who harass me daily about it
i could not care less
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:29 am

phoneutria wrote:biggie you are a low-rate thinker
don't delude yourself about that


Ah, the urwrongx approach to discussion and debate:

1] she asserts that something is true
2] asserting it in and of itself makes it true

Again, as I suggested to Magsj above:

How about this...

What is her own reaction to the points I raised with Mr. Reasonable on this thread? Given a set of circumstances in which we compare and contrast the accumulation of objective human knowledge in the either/or world and the accumulation of subjective personal opinions in reacting to that objective knowledge given the staggering consequences embedded in conflicting goods down through the ages.


In fact let her make it her mission here to expose just how low-rated my thinking is.

You know that she is itching to do so.

And, here's the thing: I don't doubt that she might pull it off.

This is the challenge! That she is not Joker and urwrong and Pedro and those of their ilk.

phoneutria wrote:the reason i don't want to debate you
is you were disrespectful
of my time and willingness to humor you
and until you show
considerable effort to amend that
i am not wasting any more time
also, please mind that it is you
who harass me daily about it
i could not care less


Think about what she is saying here. She claims that I disrespect her time without noting a specific exchange between us that prompted her to conclude that. And she demands that I "amend" that when the only way that can be accomplished is in a substantive exchange such that she can point out instances when I do disrespect her and her time.

And how on earth can she feel harassed by someone who creates posts she does not even read?!
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phyllo » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:53 am

the reason i don't want to debate you
is you were disrespectful
of my time and willingness to humor you
and until you show
considerable effort to amend that
i am not wasting any more time
So what would he have to do, for you to start talking to him again?
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:43 am

iambiguous wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:i am not here to help you cure your loneliness bruh


Being my own best friend, I have never been lonely a day in my life. And while being the man every woman wants and the man every other man wants to be seems to be all that's left of whatever motivation you have for coming here to yak yak yak, I come here to sustain the fervid fascination I still have for the philosophical questions that most interest me.

Now, go get her, tiger! You know, while she's still "young and beautiful" :lol:


i legit have no idea what u r talking about so fuck off
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:15 am

Shit Smears wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Shit Smears wrote:i am not here to help you cure your loneliness bruh


Being my own best friend, I have never been lonely a day in my life. And while being the man every woman wants and the man every other man wants to be seems to be all that's left of whatever motivation you have for coming here to yak yak yak, I come here to sustain the fervid fascination I still have for the philosophical questions that most interest me.

Now, go get her, tiger! You know, while she's still "young and beautiful" :lol:


i legit have no idea what u r talking about so fuck off


Look, you are not even relevant to the thread now. Go buy another sweater.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:29 am

Mr. Reasonable comes to ILP this evening.
Nine ten new posts.
Nine new lines. And this thing:

Mr Reasonable wrote:



Mr Reasonable wrote:like 10 times more charming than arnold from green acres?

Mr Reasonable wrote:wendy for your consideration

Mr Reasonable wrote:yes u r definitely wrong.

Mr Reasonable wrote:lol bitchute bro blm is a civil rights movement that aims to stop big govt, (cops) from performing summary executions of citizens in the street.

Mr Reasonable wrote:im 41 and the of the same political leanings that i was in my 20s, its just that in the us the overton window has shifted so far right that people call me a leftist now. its insane.

Mr Reasonable wrote:i legit have no idea what u r talking about so fuck off

Mr Reasonable wrote:i thought al gore invented the internet

Urwrongx1000 wrote:corporations r not above the law, just becuz u believe they r ur dum

Urwrongx1000 wrote:ill reeducate u and anybody else about widespread election voter fraud


Just the sort of in depth posts that those who created ILP were hoping for.

Right?
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:30 am

You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:44 am

i love it that u r following my sweater shopping
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:49 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:i love it that u r following my sweater shopping


Tyler's orders. I'm commanded to make a mockery of those who remind him of this: https://youtu.be/exL51n3py6g
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:51 am

what is it that you find so fascinating about that movie? i saw it once i didn't think it was that good. blah blah some guys wanna reset everyone's credit scores. the world isn't fair. he's got some kind of split personality. his girlfriend is ugly af. he hates wearing a suit. blah blah. it all seemed so childish like it was made for angry 15 year old boys.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phoneutria » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:00 am

phyllo wrote:
the reason i don't want to debate you
is you were disrespectful
of my time and willingness to humor you
and until you show
considerable effort to amend that
i am not wasting any more time
So what would he have to do, for you to start talking to him again?


i already said this twice
and here's evidence of how fucking nice i am
to be posting it again
so he better bookmark it
or fucking copy and paste this into a notepad and save on his desktop
or take a literal pen and write it down on some tree corpses
whatever it is that old people do

it took a quick search
i put "psyche" in as keyword
and "phoneutria" as author
and these were right there
so if you loose the posts
at least don't loose these indexes
idiot
like i don't know why it's me who has to go looking for this shit
when he's the one who is most interested
anyway i am done

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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:15 am

im not sure which is funnier the fact that iambig has got himself stuck in this weird loop of misunderstanding and somehow decided to call everyone names who wont engage with him, or that people still engage with him.

i mean what is the mind set of a person who goes around calling people names? thats some donald trump shit. like hes mentally stuck in the 4th grade and in his heart of hearts he truly feels like he can somehow goad someone into engaging him seriously by hurling childish insults. its like at this point he knows that he is simply not interesting, but he still has some weird emotional need for interaction that he cant manage to get, so hes just having tantrums on here every day.

i mean its crazy to watch.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:18 am

like in a minute hes gonna read the post above this one and get all excited and hyped up and start typing real fast and thinking to himself how once he just has to keep saying shit smears and chickenshit and eventually i will have to argue with him and face the truth that his dasien thing is the ultimate philosophy of everythingggggggg
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:19 am

like i am literally laughing over here thinking about how hes getting all hyped up now and just so pissed off and he's old af and just slamming his fingers into the keys typing [email protected][email protected]@#@#@#!
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:26 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:what is it that you find so fascinating about that movie? i saw it once i didn't think it was that good. blah blah some guys wanna reset everyone's credit scores. the world isn't fair. he's got some kind of split personality. his girlfriend is ugly af. he hates wearing a suit. blah blah. it all seemed so childish like it was made for angry 15 year old boys.


Yeah, my reaction too.

But there's the part captured in that clip above that really resonated with me. It ties in somehow with the reaction I have to those who seem deeply intertwined with 1] pop culture 2] mindless consumption and 3] the worship of fame and celebrity.

After all, if these "citizens" didn't exist by the millions, I truly suspect that ILP would not be bursting at the seams with Kids, yak yak yak social media types and the fulminating fanatics who live a world that is a mile wide and an inch deep.

Only I can't exclude myself from my own point of view here. I recognize my own "personal opinion" is no less rooted in dasein. Mine just being considerably more fractured and fragmented than others.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:28 am

i think u should watch the turd video again and think about it for a while and write a lengthy post about it
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:47 am

phoneutria wrote:
phyllo wrote:
the reason i don't want to debate you
is you were disrespectful
of my time and willingness to humor you
and until you show
considerable effort to amend that
i am not wasting any more time
So what would he have to do, for you to start talking to him again?


i already said this twice
and here's evidence of how fucking nice i am
to be posting it again
so he better bookmark it
or fucking copy and paste this into a notepad and save on his desktop
or take a literal pen and write it down on some tree corpses
whatever it is that old people do

it took a quick search
i put "psyche" in as keyword
and "phoneutria" as author
and these were right there
so if you loose the posts
at least don't loose these indexes
idiot
like i don't know why it's me who has to go looking for this shit
when he's the one who is most interested
anyway i am done

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Yeah, yeah, now I remember! She brought all of this up on another thread!!

Only my reaction to it then is pretty much the same as my reaction to it now: huh?!

Note to others:

This thing about "psyche". How would you imagine that she imagines it is relevant to the distinction that I make with Mr. Reasonable in the OP on this thread? The distinction between knowledge communicated objectively by I in the either/or world and moral and political value judgments communicated subjectively/subjunctively by "I" in the is/ought world?

Psyche.

Let's start with a dictionary definition:

a: SOUL, PERSONALITY
the nation's consumer psyche
b: the totality of elements forming the mind (see MIND entry 1 sense 2)
specifically, in Freudian psychoanalytic theory : the id, ego, and superego including both conscious and unconscious components


Okay, let's imagine a set of circumstances in which she criticizes and rejects Marxism from her frame of mind while another applauds and embraces it from his own conflicting frame of mind.

How would her understanding of "psyche" here be relevant to the objective/subjective distinction that I make above?
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby MagsJ » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:54 am

iambiguous wrote:Shouldn't you be yakking about something on the poop thread?

Should I / I should? I’m hardly over there, so why digress?

No, seriously, I can only believe what I do. Based on over twenty years of experience exchanging thoughts and feelings in philosophy venues. While at the same time acknowledging flat out that mine is no less a subjective reaction rooted in dasein.

Unless of course you or others here are able to offer me a definitive analysis that establishes beyond all doubt whether my suspicions are correct or incorrect.

How about this...

What is your own reaction to the points I raised with Mr. Reasonable on this thread? Given a set of circumstances in which we compare and contrast the accumulation of human knowledge in the either/or world and the accumulation of personal opinions in reacting to that objective knowledge given the staggering consequences embedded in conflicting goods down through the ages.

Minds and conversations evolve over the years, seeking different inputs to generate different outputs.. so why can’t yours’, when it comes to interacting with others?

You read and post on a lot of diverse philosophical topics, and yet you want to drag everything back to the beginning of philosophy, for others. You rebuke responses with your own intangible ones, and never seek to reach any resolutions of truth or disagreement, but work on a cycle of rebuke and repeal.

Does a conceptualised thought have to be experienced, for it to ring true? as your real-world example requests, cannot always be fulfilled, due to that. Not every thought is actualised, and not every actualisation is necessarily just.. for thinking types.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:55 am

You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phyllo » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:10 pm

Yeah, yeah, now I remember! She brought all of this up on another thread!!

Only my reaction to it then is pretty much the same as my reaction to it now: huh?!

Note to others:

This thing about "psyche". How would you imagine that she imagines it is relevant to the distinction that I make with Mr. Reasonable in the OP on this thread? The distinction between knowledge communicated objectively by I in the either/or world and moral and political value judgments communicated subjectively/subjunctively by "I" in the is/ought world?

Psyche.

Let's start with a dictionary definition:

a: SOUL, PERSONALITY
the nation's consumer psyche
b: the totality of elements forming the mind (see MIND entry 1 sense 2)
specifically, in Freudian psychoanalytic theory : the id, ego, and superego including both conscious and unconscious components

Okay, let's imagine a set of circumstances in which she criticizes and rejects Marxism from her frame of mind while another applauds and embraces it from his own conflicting frame of mind.

How would her understanding of "psyche" here be relevant to the objective/subjective distinction that I make above?

Well she's asking you to research 'psyche' and 'identity' and then write a summary of what you found and your conclusions/thoughts about it. Not terribly difficult but it will take a bit of time.

What do you do?

You find and paste a dictionary definition and you post the usual questions.

Obviously, what she is asking is important to her. But it's not important to you so you can't be bothered.

If you did what she asked, then maybe she would talk to you again. A simple "I'll do this for you if you do this for me" interaction.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:15 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote: im not sure which is funnier the fact that iambig has got himself stuck in this weird loop of misunderstanding and somehow decided to call everyone names who wont engage with him, or that people still engage with him.


Weird loop? No, I make the points that I do in the OP in regard to that which I construe to be an important distinction between what we can know objectively about water and what we can know objectively when those who embrace capitalism encounter those who embrace socialism. The knowledge we have accumulated regarding water would seem to be applicable to those on both sides. So where is the objective knowledge able to resolve the capitalism/socialism conflagration? How are your own personal opinions [like mine, like phoneutria's, like phyllo's] not rooted more subjectively in the manner in I explore human interactions at the existential juncture that is identity, value judgments and political economy in my signature threads?

Mr Reasonable wrote: i mean what is the mind set of a person who goes around calling people names? thats some donald trump shit. like hes mentally stuck in the 4th grade and in his heart of hearts he truly feels like he can somehow goad someone into engaging him seriously by hurling childish insults. its like at this point he knows that he is simply not interesting, but he still has some weird emotional need for interaction that he cant manage to get, so hes just having tantrums on here every day.


No, I call people names here when, from my own subjective frame of mind, they configure into Stooges. Stooges being those here who, in my own estimation, seem more intent on calling me names or attacking me personally or making me the issue in an exchange. It's not an exact science however. It's more my own subjunctive reaction to exchanges. And no less rooted in dasein.

That's why with some posts [like in the OP] you are Mr. Reasonable to me, while, in other posts, you are more in the way of Shit Smears.

Ironically enough that's more your doing than mine.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:18 pm

shit smears wrote:like i a minute hes gonna read the post above this one and get all excited and hyped up and start typing real fast and thinking to himself how once he just has to keep saying shit smears and chickenshit and eventually i will have to argue with him and face the truth that his dasien thing is the ultimate philosophy of everythingggggggg


Nope, didn't happen, did it?

Now, you can earn my respect back and become Mr. Reasonable. We can discuss the points I raised about your points in the OP. Intelligently, civilly.

Your choice...given human autonomy of course.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:54 pm

iambiguous wrote:
What is your own reaction to the points I raised with Mr. Reasonable on this thread? Given a set of circumstances in which we compare and contrast the accumulation of human knowledge in the either/or world and the accumulation of personal opinions in reacting to that objective knowledge given the staggering consequences embedded in conflicting goods down through the ages.


MagsJ wrote: Minds and conversations evolve over the years, seeking different inputs to generate different outputs.. so why can’t yours’, when it comes to interacting with others?


Okay, let's bring this down to earth.

The role of government in the lives of citizens.

There is the classic conservative/capitalist frame of mind: the smaller the better. Then the reality: crony capitalism.

There is the classic liberal/socialist frame of mind: the bigger the better. Then the projected reality: it all withers away under Communism.

Now minds do change over time about this distinction. Marx rooted this "scientifically" in his assessment of the organic, historical evolution of the "means of production". Big governments are not even possible without the surplus labor around to occupy all the positions.

Now, in regard to our own individual reactions to government here at ILP, I suggest that is likely to be rooted in the arguments I make in my signature threads. We are all "thrown" -- thrown "adventitiously" -- at birth into a particular world. Utterly beyond our control. We are all indoctrinated for years to think this or that about socialism and capitalism. We all have different [sometimes very different] personal experiences, relationships and access to information, knowledge and ideas that shape and mold us into those who favor one political economy over the other.

There does not appear to be either a philosophical or a scientific argument that can take this diversity into account and establish the most rational or the only rational manner in which to think about it.

Right?

MagsJ wrote: You read and post on a lot of diverse philosophical topics, and yet you want to drag everything back to the beginning of philosophy, for others. You rebuke responses with your own intangible ones, and never seek to reach any resolutions of truth or disagreement, but work on a cycle of rebuke and repeal.


The "beginning of philosophy"? Again, given what particular context? Over and again, I note that my main interest in philosophy [and science and religion] revolves around this: how ought one to live?

And, given that, subjectively, existentially, I am an atheist -- "here and now" -- in a No God world.

Again: you note these accusations about me. Okay, choose an issue and a context that revolves around a discussion that explores our respective views on identity, value judgments and political power. How existentially they become intertwined out in a particular world understood in a particular way. What can we agree is true objectively for both of us and what seems more rooted subjectively in my philosophical assumptions regarding "I" in the is/ought world. And in your philosophical assumptions regarding your own self.

MagsJ wrote: Does a conceptualised thought have to be experienced, for it to ring true? as your real-world example requests, cannot always be fulfilled, due to that. Not every thought is actualised, and not every actualisation is necessarily just.. for thinking types.


Yes, but the "battles" that unfold between the liberals and the conservative here often do become actual behaviors chosen by flesh and blood men and women "out in the world". Resulting in "the staggering consequences embedded in conflicting goods down through the ages."
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