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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:21 am

that ego of his is something else
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phyllo » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:11 pm

Guess that his ego is not fractured and fragmented.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:29 pm

Shit Smears wrote:that ego of his is something else


How about this...

Let's explore the parameters -- and the limitations -- of the human id, ego and superego in the either/or world...juxtaposed to the same in the is/ought world.

We can flip a coin -- think Anton Chigurh -- in order to determine which of our egos is up first.

Unless you'd like to volunteer.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:45 pm

phyllo wrote:Guess that his ego is not fractured and fragmented.


My argument with Mr. Reasonable however is that in regard to playing the stock market, his ego is considerable less fractured and fragmented. Why? Because the goal is to make money. And here his ego is either able to devise rational choices or it is not.

Whereas in a discussion with a socialist regarding the capitalist political economy, the extent to which his frame of mind is not fractured and fragmented indicates [to me] that he is likely to be an objectivist. Why? Because in regard to conflicting goods here -- "I" in the is/ought world -- both sides are able to devise rational arguments.

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5002 ... apitalism/
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/1472 ... socialism/

Furthermore, I argue that his defense of capitalism is likely to be rooted far more in the arguments I make in my signature threads [in regard to dasein] than in anything philosophers, ethicists and political scientists are able to devise in the way of a deontological assessment.

Now, why won't he explore this with me in a civil and intelligent discussion? What are his "conditions"?

Anything more intelligent than "fuck off"?
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:55 pm

Yo, MagsJ! You're up!!

iambiguous wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
What is your own reaction to the points I raised with Mr. Reasonable on this thread? Given a set of circumstances in which we compare and contrast the accumulation of human knowledge in the either/or world and the accumulation of personal opinions in reacting to that objective knowledge given the staggering consequences embedded in conflicting goods down through the ages.


MagsJ wrote: Minds and conversations evolve over the years, seeking different inputs to generate different outputs.. so why can’t yours’, when it comes to interacting with others?


Okay, let's bring this down to earth.

The role of government in the lives of citizens.

There is the classic conservative/capitalist frame of mind: the smaller the better. Then the reality: crony capitalism.

There is the classic liberal/socialist frame of mind: the bigger the better. Then the projected reality: it all withers away under Communism.

Now minds do change over time about this distinction. Marx rooted this "scientifically" in his assessment of the organic, historical evolution of the "means of production". Big governments are not even possible without the surplus labor around to occupy all the positions.

Now, in regard to our own individual reactions to government here at ILP, I suggest that is likely to be rooted in the arguments I make in my signature threads. We are all "thrown" -- thrown "adventitiously" -- at birth into a particular world. Utterly beyond our control. We are all indoctrinated for years to think this or that about socialism and capitalism. We all have different [sometimes very different] personal experiences, relationships and access to information, knowledge and ideas that shape and mold us into those who favor one political economy over the other.

There does not appear to be either a philosophical or a scientific argument that can take this diversity into account and establish the most rational or the only rational manner in which to think about it.

Right?

MagsJ wrote: You read and post on a lot of diverse philosophical topics, and yet you want to drag everything back to the beginning of philosophy, for others. You rebuke responses with your own intangible ones, and never seek to reach any resolutions of truth or disagreement, but work on a cycle of rebuke and repeal.


The "beginning of philosophy"? Again, given what particular context? Over and again, I note that my main interest in philosophy [and science and religion] revolves around this: how ought one to live?

And, given that, subjectively, existentially, I am an atheist -- "here and now" -- in a No God world.

Again: you note these accusations about me. Okay, choose an issue and a context that revolves around a discussion that explores our respective views on identity, value judgments and political power. How existentially they become intertwined out in a particular world understood in a particular way. What can we agree is true objectively for both of us and what seems more rooted subjectively in my philosophical assumptions regarding "I" in the is/ought world. And in your philosophical assumptions regarding your own self.

MagsJ wrote: Does a conceptualised thought have to be experienced, for it to ring true? as your real-world example requests, cannot always be fulfilled, due to that. Not every thought is actualised, and not every actualisation is necessarily just.. for thinking types.


Yes, but the "battles" that unfold between the liberals and the conservative here often do become actual behaviors chosen by flesh and blood men and women "out in the world". Resulting in "the staggering consequences embedded in conflicting goods down through the ages."
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby MagsJ » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:11 pm

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Hey yea, I know.. give me 30 mins or so, when I’ll be able to get round to a reply. :)
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Huh! - MagsJ
You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:15 pm

MagsJ wrote:_
Hey yea, I know.. give me 30 mins or so, when I’ll be able to get round to a reply. :)


Let's synchronize our watches. :wink:
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby MagsJ » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:55 pm

Lol
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Huh! - MagsJ
You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:42 am

You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby promethean75 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:33 pm

Why do I suddenly have the desire to make a nice spinach casserole? Weird.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:54 pm

Shit Smears wrote:


Let's try this...

Animals in zoos: pros and cons: https://www.procon.org/headlines/zoos-t ... -and-cons/

Again, as with the capitalism/socialism conflagration, there are arguments that support the existence of zoos and arguments that do not support them.

Conflicting goods let's call them.

And just as there are those who, in my opinion, live lives that existentially predispose them to embrace either capitalism or socialism, there are those who live lives that predispose them toward embracing or condemning the existence of zoos.

Perhaps Shit Smears might be willing to explore this controversy "civilly and intelligently".

And, along the way, we might even discover an explanation for his obsession with shit.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:57 pm

promethean75 wrote:Why do I suddenly have the desire to make a nice spinach casserole? Weird.


Note to phoneutria:

Did you put him up to this?

I knew you could be cruel...but vicious?!
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phyllo » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:06 pm

Great. Another thread about food.

Next up existential condiments.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby promethean75 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:13 pm

Habermas Habanero Sauce; spice up you life
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby promethean75 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:21 pm

Artificially flavored Beef Baudrillard cubes.

(artificially flavored. The simulacrum. Kay.)
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:58 pm

phyllo wrote:Great. Another thread about food.

Next up existential condiments.


Food? Fine. As long as we don't yak yak yak about it.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phyllo » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:11 pm

The dessert of the real is now being served.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:23 pm

phyllo wrote:The dessert of the real is now being served.


Or, for some, the desert.

Still, is capitalism or socialism closer to the real? Either as the dessert or the desert.

More to the point [mine], how "fractured and fragmented" are or are not those who do make a philosophical attempt to contemplate it.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby promethean75 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:26 pm

Pascal Peach herbal tea.

The fda hasn't approved of it and the data surrounding its efficacy is dubious. But it doesnt hurt to try it. If it works, great. If it doesn't, you've lost nothing (it's fairly inexpensive and it tastes delicious).
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:04 am

promethean75 wrote:Why do I suddenly have the desire to make a nice spinach casserole? Weird.


science
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:40 am

phoneutria wrote:call me picky
but when it comes to tight pants
i want to see a clear division of the cheeks


Mr Reasonable wrote:This one shows a bit more definition. But not quite the best angle. I suppose I could just ask her to turn around and bend over.


Next up: a debate between us that attempts to pin down just how sexist [if not downright stupid] this particular yak yak yakking might be. :lol:

Oh, by the way: Pedro's back!

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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:42 am

Lol h8r
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby obsrvr524 » Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:52 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:

Now even I would have to call that a definite "conflicting good". :-?
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:17 am

For the record the girl in the yoga pants does not think I am sexist.
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Re: Mr Reasonable and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:19 am

Also since this is a thread about food now, here is some avocado toast with crab meat and caviar. The girl in the yoga pants paid for it.
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