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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:45 am

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Berkley Babes wrote:I forgot all about the very idea of a body. I don't remember it being a concern of mine at all. When I saw the tubes or the vessels of my loved ones, I didn't compare them to bodies of the past. I only contrasted the light that was in them to the light around them. A thin difference.

I'm not sure what to make of your colors or space.

Did you receive a black and white viewing, like a really fast movie, of your entire human life?


No, once the light surrounded me, I didn't try recalling anything previous. I wish that happened, I'd love to see life on fast reel, but no. Did that happen for you?

Yes. I fell from grace after I worried about my physical body which was in a car crossing railroad tracks.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby Berkley Babes » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:48 am

I guess doubt caused me to fall back then.

Every time I dream of forever, I still want to know, is it forever? Think I need to supress that question next time.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:51 am

Was it truly doubt or fear of the unknown, surrendering to it? I didn’t state that clearly, like did your doubt stem from the fear of the unknown like the reason you doubted?
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby Berkley Babes » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:52 am

So you were not meditating at the time? You were in traveling car?
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby Berkley Babes » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:55 am

WendyDarling wrote:Was it truly doubt or fear of the unknown, surrendering to it? I didn’t state that clearly, like did your doubt stem from the fear of the unknown like the reason you doubted?



I can't say it was fear. All I can guess is that it was too good. When I stood up from the meditation, I remember thinking I'm not good enough to receive that. I didn't have that thought at the time I was in the light, but maybe a small hint of that idea was down deep.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:56 am

Yes, one second enjoying the car radio and the smell of the forest in summer as I crossed the tracks, bam, in the dandelion yellow of the emotion of peace pouring through my soul body which fed on it like a greedy baby at first.

OMG Babe, I felt unworthy too but that didn’t start my fall
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby Berkley Babes » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:01 am

From my understanding there is a difference between whether the light sort of comes to you or you go towards it. I'm not exactly sure what that difference is or means. But the fact that you were just going about your day or night when it happened is pretty amazing.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:05 am

Beyond belief. In my thirties, I tried to meditate my way back there over the course of a year. Daily hours devoted to willing my way back to one partial raising of my conscious soul about 3 feet over my body but I was so shocked that it happened I fell back into my body again.

It’s a bitch to do when conscious. Hear people do it while sleeping all the time.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby Berkley Babes » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:09 am

I actually didn't meditate for a while after that. You would think I'd try again soon. But I didn't. And when I finally did, I was trying for precisely that, which affected the quality of my focus. I think perfect focus on the breath is what led to it, but I cant reproduce it.

Once was enough to change some of my beliefs.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:11 am

Berkley Babes wrote:I actually didn't meditate for a while after that. You would think I'd try again soon. But I didn't. And when I finally did, I was trying for precisely that, which affected the quality of my focus. I think perfect focus on the breath is what led to it, but I cant reproduce it.

Once was enough to change some of my beliefs.

I kinda think I was simply content in that moment that it happened. I didn’t give it much consideration immediately afterwards other than it was special, I was only 18 at the time. Didn’t start gathering clues until around 32.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby Berkley Babes » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:12 am

I levitated in a lucid dream, in which I was half asleep. Felt powerful.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:14 am

Yeah, I have had some semi lucid dreams like I knew I was dreaming but wasn’t able to control the dream.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby Berkley Babes » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:15 am

WendyDarling wrote:
Berkley Babes wrote:I actually didn't meditate for a while after that. You would think I'd try again soon. But I didn't. And when I finally did, I was trying for precisely that, which affected the quality of my focus. I think perfect focus on the breath is what led to it, but I cant reproduce it.

Once was enough to change some of my beliefs.

I kinda think I was simply content in that moment that it happened.



Well, I'm happy to meet someone online who experienced something similar. And I hope I gave ya some good clues on this magical mystery tour. I'll probably be on the lookout for dandelions next time.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:17 am

Berkley Babes wrote:I levitated in a lucid dream, in which I was half asleep. Felt powerful.

Sounds like astral projection, but dreams make it messy, more like hallucinations of the imagination.

Dandelion color of yellow. Very comforting on the spiritual eyes. Thanks for sharing and never hesitate to share more.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby Berkley Babes » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:20 am

Nice to know the yellow color was comforting. The white was very bright and at the same time in no way harsh, so soothing.

We'll talk again and share when the spirit mooooovves us.
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby phoneutria » Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:56 am

Berkley Babes wrote:
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Berkley Babes wrote:Because I caught a glimpse of heaven or some aspect of it through medtitation, I remember wanting it forever, feeling like it was forever, but also doubting that it was forever. To be honest, I fear re-incarnation sometimes more than the death of my current life. So I'm a forever cat.

How about you?

Have you or will you start a thread about your glimpse of heaven? [-o< I need every detail.


It was simple. It began in the head chakra, on the crown. It appeared like a light or the snow cap of a mountain top, then it flooded downwards really fast into my body, so that I no longer had a body. I was part of the whole light. I didn't have thoughts for a short time, just felt the wholesome perfection. Then I felt what I can only describe as the masculine presence of god. This is despite the fact that I lean towards a dual gender god, an it, in my waking beliefs. It was goodness, or what I would call, supreme goodness which I then discovered was different than earthly goodness.

I don't want to start a thread about it because most people won't believe me.


my father teaches
that on top of your head
rests a lotus flower
and that while you meditate
you visualize the petals opening
and it floods your body with light
as reveals a jewel inside
a god within you
who is the solar angel
a being of a much higher hyerarchy
who bound itself to you
to tutor the development of your consciousness
he is you
he is the part of you that isn't an ape
he's pulling the you you out of the ape
little by little
as a part of an effort to collect
all of the little bits of cousciousness from the universe
all sources of light
and make them grow
and unite them
so when you sing the hundred sylables
you call to him
the vajrasattva
to protect your little self
and never let you go
to grow the light in you
to purify you
and guide you to the realization of his solar nature
making you one

dad has been known to be eccentric
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby Berkley Babes » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:03 am

Phoneutria,

Loved that whole thing. Felt transported by it. Want to print it out frame it. Or else live it. The last line was so funny. :D
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:16 pm

Berkley Babes wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:
Berkley Babes wrote:Because I caught a glimpse of heaven or some aspect of it through medtitation, I remember wanting it forever, feeling like it was forever, but also doubting that it was forever. To be honest, I fear re-incarnation sometimes more than the death of my current life. So I'm a forever cat.

How about you?

Have you or will you start a thread about your glimpse of heaven? [-o< I need every detail.


It was simple. It began in the head chakra, on the crown. It appeared like a light or the snow cap of a mountain top, then it flooded downwards really fast into my body, so that I no longer had a body. I was part of the whole light. I didn't have thoughts for a short time, just felt the wholesome perfection. Then I felt what I can only describe as the masculine presence of god. This is despite the fact that I lean towards a dual gender god, an it, in my waking beliefs. It was goodness, or what I would call, supreme goodness which I then discovered was different than earthly goodness.


WendyDarling wrote:I’m searching for puzzle pieces about the nature of existence, gathering clues echoed in others. I may not undestand it all but I believe in astral projection of the soul raising and lowering onto other planes. I’m trying to get more details that correspond to my own happenings. I may continue to bug you for information as I do Ecmandu and others.


Not sure if this exchange would qualify as an example of Sagan's assessment in the OP.

But, in my view, it is somewhere in the vicinity of it.

Sagan of course was a scientist. So what would no doubt intrigue him is the extent to which experiences like this can be reconfigured into more substantive evidence for the existence of God and of Heaven.

Whereas my own interest in them revolves more around this: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&t=196522

You know, just in case either of them is interested in an exchange more along these lines.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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Re: carl sagan: quote unquote

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:27 pm

phoneutria wrote:my father teaches
that on top of your head
rests a lotus flower
and that while you meditate
you visualize the petals opening
and it floods your body with light
as reveals a jewel inside
a god within you
who is the solar angel
a being of a much higher hyerarchy
who bound itself to you
to tutor the development of your consciousness
he is you
he is the part of you that isn't an ape
he's pulling the you you out of the ape
little by little
as a part of an effort to collect
all of the little bits of cousciousness from the universe
all sources of light
and make them grow
and unite them
so when you sing the hundred sylables
you call to him
the vajrasattva
to protect your little self
and never let you go
to grow the light in you
to purify you
and guide you to the realization of his solar nature
making you one

dad has been known to be eccentric


See how it works?

Dasein.

She had this particular father who imparted to her this particular "spiritual" narrative. Others have very different fathers who impart very different lessons instead.

The part where "I" becomes this "existential fabrication" derived from the unique lives that we lived.

Now, however, we need a particular context in which to explore this sort of "spiritual" thinking given that others will have been raised to think very, very different thoughts about God and religion out in particular worlds understood in particular ways.

Then the part where as philosophers we attempt to pin down the most rational manner in which to think about God and religion.

You know, if that's even possible.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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