The Coalition of Truth

[Ecmandu]

Yeah, there's reality and then there's our feelings rather than facts.

If you’re into facts. You don’t have a president either.

Think about it.

[WendyDarling]

President Trump is the President of the United States. Fact

My proof, check who is sitting at the President’s desk in the Oval office.

K: and that is completely irrelevant to the thread we are in....
what are your beliefs and why those beliefs... commitment
to asking yourself about the why and the context of your beliefs.....
not the "facts" which is completely unimportant to this thread.....

facts are actually unimportant in our lives....for facts can change,
often and quickly... what can we be certain about? not facts.....
2 + 2 is 4 is not important to our lives... it doesn't create certainty
and it doesn't create context to our lives.. it is just a fact and facts
don't really matter....the point isn't the facts, but what about those
facts that can lead us to wisdom.... the knowledge with what to do
with the facts, not the facts themselves...

fact is in about 15 days, Biden will be president and your fact will be wrong....
so what? the point is to the context and what it means that IQ45 is president today
and gone tomorrow....

think about why and context, not facts...

Kropotkin

Facts don't change, Peter. They will always exist in their timeframe.

[WendyDarling]

Yeah, there's reality and then there's our feelings rather than facts.

If you’re into facts. You don’t have a president either.

Think about it.

I have a President named Trump who kept to his promises to make certain things happen.

[Ecmandu]

You still don’t get it Wendy ...

Life is about friends, not about bosses.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Peter,

Are you asking why I value facts and truth?

K: from what I can tell, you don't value either..
you don't know the value of facts and you don't know the value of
the 'TRUTH"... SO, what is the "TRUTH?" and how does that "TRUTH"
influence your beliefs and actions?

I don't hold to facts such as IQ45 is president as being important because
it is a temporary fact that will change in about 15 days.....
Abe Lincoln was president, once.... so what? what does that fact tell us?
what is the context of the fact old Abe was president....what does that fact,
mean to you?

you have to make some sort of relationship or context in facts or in statements
to have them mean something.....so what is the fact or 'TRUTH" that IQ45 is
president right now and will not be shortly? and by the way, nice job ignoring
IAM posts....

Kropotkin

[Ecmandu]

Trump didn’t fulfill his two campaign promises ...

To build the wall

To throw Hilary in prison

I’m not fucking stupid... I know what he ran on and I know he accomplished neither.

He’s a fucking moron.

[Peter Kropotkin]

President Trump is the President of the United States. Fact

My proof, check who is sitting at the President’s desk in the Oval office.

K: and that is completely irrelevant to the thread we are in....
what are your beliefs and why those beliefs... commitment
to asking yourself about the why and the context of your beliefs.....
not the "facts" which is completely unimportant to this thread.....

facts are actually unimportant in our lives....for facts can change,
often and quickly... what can we be certain about? not facts.....
2 + 2 is 4 is not important to our lives... it doesn't create certainty
and it doesn't create context to our lives.. it is just a fact and facts
don't really matter....the point isn't the facts, but what about those
facts that can lead us to wisdom.... the knowledge with what to do
with the facts, not the facts themselves...

fact is in about 15 days, Biden will be president and your fact will be wrong....
so what? the point is to the context and what it means that IQ45 is president today
and gone tomorrow....

think about why and context, not facts...

Kropotkin

Facts don't change, Peter. They will always exist in their timeframe.

K: facts change all the time and not only that, they don't mean anything....
ok, right now, IQ45 is president, so what does that mean to you?
give us some context as to what that means?

facts only have value if they are place into context.. given meaning....

and to give facts context and meaning, one must engage with thinking
and introspections about our understanding of what it means to be human......

give us some context or meaning about IQ45 currently being president...
and will shortly will not be president...

Kropotkin

[phoneutria]

you still haven't backed up your claims kropo
i can wait

I’ve said this three times on this board and I’ll say it again...

The entire science of capitalism is to figure out how to hold the most capital without revolt. Billions of dollars are spent on this science just to add one fucking more dollar to a billionaires wallet. The investment is paying off. These are first and foremost, business people. Spending billions to make 1 more dollar makes perfect sense to them.

Phoneutria, you are extremely naive about this and I’m giving you the intelligence to understand it

i am not naive at all about any of that
i don't know what gives you that impression
poor reading skills probably

[Dan~]

This thread seems like a bad idea to me.

The 2 people mentioned up top have some degree of self-awareness.

I can't say how great or how small, but i know it's there.

[iambiguous]

This thread seems like a bad idea to me.

The 2 people mentioned up top have some degree of self-awareness.

I can't say how great or how small, but i know it's there.

How about your own level of awareness, Dan?

Name a truth of your own. Then, given the framework I noted above, let's explore it.

Or, sure, note a framework other than my own.

[Peter Kropotkin]

This thread seems like a bad idea to me.

The 2 people mentioned up top have some degree of self-awareness.

I can't say how great or how small, but i know it's there.

K: I can hope they have some degree of self-awareness but the facts suggest
that they don't..... glad you decided to join this conversation.....

Kropotkin

[Dan~]

This thread seems like a bad idea to me.

The 2 people mentioned up top have some degree of self-awareness.

I can't say how great or how small, but i know it's there.

How about your own level of awareness, Dan?

Name a truth of your own. Then, given the framework I noted above, let's explore it.

Or, sure, note a framework other than my own.

Truth isn't about the nature of reality,
truth is about affirming one's life.
Truth exists within living things.
When you are dead, you have no sense of truth.
It requires an active mind.
Cells and energies communicating and processing.

Some philosopher types place truth as an abstraction free from material.
I say, truth is part of the body.

Truth has been divorced from reality,
by people who think they are so smart because they can recite names and sentences.

[iambiguous]

President Trump is the President of the United States. Fact

Next up: Wendy nails down all the facts below too. Let's call them, say, Truths.

You believe "here and now" that Trump is a great president. And that one of his greatest accomplishments was his response to the covid pandemic. Or you believe that the covid pandemic itself is all just a Big Brother, globalist scam.

Okay, demonstrate that all of this is true objectively. For everyone.

And, no, it doesn't count to insist that just believing it is all the proof you need.

What? The "here and now" president is Trump. On January 20, 2021 the presidential inauguration occurs and until then it's President Trump. Sorry Biggie, laugh all you want and continue "acting" as a serious philosopher with all the ugliness you usually pile on in your wit. Go ahead.

You can't possibly be this dense. You're putting me on right?

As though it is silly or irrelevant to make a distinction between stating that in fact -- in truth -- Trump is now president of the United States...and that in fact -- in truth -- Trump is a great president.

And yet I suspect that in your head there is no distinction at all. And that is because it would seem that you are one of my objectivists. Being in sync with your own Real Me, Core Self and/or Soul is tantamount to be in sync with the Truth morally and politically.

And once someone reaches this point the psychology of objectivism kicks in: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&t=185296

[iambiguous]

Truth isn't about the nature of reality,
truth is about affirming one's life.
Truth exists within living things.
When you are dead, you have no sense of truth.
It requires an active mind.
Cells and energies communicating and processing.

Okay, but that is abstract enough to be applicable to anyone --- from Genghis Khan to Adolph Hitler. Whose minds are said to be the most or the least "active". Given what set of circumstances and what point of view?

Can liberals or conservatives or Nazis or Communists or capitalists or socialists or authoritarians or existentialists make or not make that claim? And then once in power reward and punish very different behaviors.

Go ahead, ask Wendy and obsrvr if they don't embrace truth in the sense that I wish to explore it: re moral and political value judgments. Given the intellectual scaffold I provide above. Or one of their own.

Some philosopher types place truth as an abstraction free from material.
I say, truth is part of the body.

Truth has been divorced from reality,
by people who think they are so smart because they can recite names and sentences.

Okay, but with respect to what set of circumstance viewed true the prism of what presumed moral and political and [for some] theological truths?

[Dan~]

Name a truth of your own.

I did that, at your request.
I did not give you a moral or a political truth.
And it seems like you are asking for something that you don't want.

[iambiguous]

i'm going going to be a part of anyone's stupid club
but i'm always checking the facts here brah
and calling people out
like when sil tried to use physics to give weight to his claims about workers exploitation
or when satyr tried to use entropy to make a point about "de-evolution"
or when kropo and ecmandu keep saying that the poor are getting poorer and wages are going down
or when saully was trying to say brazilians don't protect the amazon
or prom's little harebrained musings about communism
if i read something on here that sounds like bullshit
i'm going to call you out, bitches

Anytime phoneutria wishes to note a truth of her own relating to moral and political value judgments, I would be more than willing to explore it with her given the intellectual framework I provide above. Or, again, a framework of her own.

Instead, she hides behind the "foe" function to keep my ideas out of her head. To keep her own precious Self intact.

And I have a word for that now.

Go ahead, Zero_Sum, tell her what that word is.

[iambiguous]

Name a truth of your own.

I did that, at your request.
I did not give you a moral or a political truth.
And it seems like you are asking for something that you don't want.

Again, we are clearly attracted to two very different assessments of truth here. You stay up in the abstract, spiritual clouds. I don't.

No problem. Different folks, different strokes.

You'll go your way and I'll go mine. And, perhaps, down the road, the gap can be narrowed. Right now though from my frame of mind it is as though you did not read my post at all.

[Dan~]

You stay up in the abstract, spiritual clouds. I don't.

To me it was clear that i was talking about the good kind of truth that is within our material bodies.
I'm not in spiritual clouds. Not at all.
I could reword it, but i worded it just fine already.
I don't need to reword my post.

[iambiguous]

You stay up in the abstract, spiritual clouds. I don't.

To me it was clear that i was talking about the good kind of truth that is within our material bodies.
I'm not in spiritual clouds. Not at all.
I could reword it, but i worded it just fine already.
I don't need to reword my post.

Fine. We can agree to disagree regarding a philosophical exploration of truth in the manner in which the Coalition pursues it here.

On this board for example: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewforum.php?f=3

[WendyDarling]

Trump didn’t fulfill his two campaign promises ...

To build the wall

To throw Hilary in prison

I’m not fucking stupid... I know what he ran on and I know he accomplished neither.

He’s a fucking moron.

I'm working on this reply, but first Joker and I have some Star Trekkin to do Xbox style. So later.

[WendyDarling]

i'm going going to be a part of anyone's stupid club
but i'm always checking the facts here brah
and calling people out
like when sil tried to use physics to give weight to his claims about workers exploitation
or when satyr tried to use entropy to make a point about "de-evolution"
or when kropo and ecmandu keep saying that the poor are getting poorer and wages are going down
or when saully was trying to say brazilians don't protect the amazon
or prom's little harebrained musings about communism
if i read something on here that sounds like bullshit
i'm going to call you out, bitches

Aaaaaw, now u done it! Made me induct you as an honorary member into the Coalition of Truth. Damn skippy, no takesies backsies.

[phoneutria]

respectfully i decline
i don't do teams

[obsrvr524]

i'm going going to be a part of anyone's stupid club
but i'm always checking the facts here brah
and calling people out
like when sil tried to use physics to give weight to his claims about workers exploitation
or when satyr tried to use entropy to make a point about "de-evolution"
or when kropo and ecmandu keep saying that the poor are getting poorer and wages are going down
or when saully was trying to say brazilians don't protect the amazon
or prom's little harebrained musings about communism
if i read something on here that sounds like bullshit
i'm going to call you out, bitches

As long as you backup your claim of Fake News with solid evidentiary facts and reasoning - we consider you an honorary member - whether you like it or not.


Nothing happens without a team.

[WendyDarling]

Trump didn’t fulfill his two campaign promises ...

To build the wall

To throw Hilary in prison

I’m not fucking stupid... I know what he ran on and I know he accomplished neither.

He’s a fucking moron.

"To build the wall" Let's review some evidence


I'd load pics, there's tons from multiple locations, of his wall but not sure how since the image format of google has all the pics too big.

Meanwhile, border residents — members of the Tohono O’odham Nation as well as local ranchers and environmentalists — have grown increasingly angry and demoralized as it becomes clearer that the administration is determined to build as much of the wall as possible before Election Day.

On Feb. 13, another 31 new border projects were announced, signifying the planned construction of 177 miles of wall in areas previously thought to be too rugged or isolated. Much of it will replace old pedestrian fencing and vehicle barriers, though other projects will break new ground.

Once completed, for the first time in U.S. history, the barrier will physically wall off the majority of New Mexico, Arizona and California, an area stretching from the Rio Grande to the Pacific Ocean. What once seemed like a pipe dream has become as concrete as the barrier itself. A triumph for the Trump administration, it’s regarded as a tragedy for the border communities that call the region home, as well as the more than 93 endangered and threatened species that live in this desert.

https://www.hcn.org/issues/52.5/south-borderlands-triumph-and-tragedy-trumps-border-wall-expands

As Trump's border wall tops 450-mile goal, CBP chief says more wall is coming

"So in addition to the 450 that we’ve already got on the ground, we’ve got funded 350 miles of wall system to go in the ground," he said. "The overwhelming amount of those miles, that funding, the contracts have already been awarded."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-border-wall-tops-450-mile

"To throw Hilary in prison" Let's review some evidence.

Below is the video of what Trump said and he didn't promise to throw her in prison, sorry EC. He said that as president, he was going to get a special prosecutor to look into her deleting the emails and she said she was glad that he wasn't in charge of the law and he said that if he was in charge of the law, she would be in jail. Trump is not in charge of the law but he did do as he said, he requested a special prosecutor in regards to Hillary Clinton's corruption from Attorney General Sessions and Sessions refused.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/10/debate-donald-trump-threatens-to-jail-hillary-clinton

The news of the DOJ's fruitless investigation comes just a few months after the State Department completed its own investigation into Clinton's emails and use of a private server, which found that while 38 individuals did commit 91 security violations in emails sent to or from the private server, ultimately the server largely wasn't used for transmitting classified information. “While there were some instances of classified information being inappropriately introduced into an unclassified system in furtherance of expedience, by and large, the individuals interviewed were aware of security policies and did their best to implement them in their operations,” a report on the investigation said. “There was no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/hillary-clinton-justice-department-investigation-results

Investigations found 91 security violations even after the server was bleached. But Hillary's were gone, of course, although she did throw 38 of her employees under her bus.

I digress...EC, you've been fact checked.

[WendyDarling]

President Trump is the President of the United States. Fact

Next up: Wendy nails down all the facts below too. Let's call them, say, Truths.

You believe "here and now" that Trump is a great president. And that one of his greatest accomplishments was his response to the covid pandemic. Or you believe that the covid pandemic itself is all just a Big Brother, globalist scam.

Okay, demonstrate that all of this is true objectively. For everyone.

And, no, it doesn't count to insist that just believing it is all the proof you need.

What? The "here and now" president is Trump. On January 20, 2021 the presidential inauguration occurs and until then it's President Trump. Sorry Biggie, laugh all you want and continue "acting" as a serious philosopher with all the ugliness you usually pile on in your wit. Go ahead.

You can't possibly be this dense. You're putting me on right?

As though it is silly or irrelevant to make a distinction between stating that in fact -- in truth -- Trump is now president of the United States...and that in fact -- in truth -- Trump is a great president.

And yet I suspect that in your head there is no distinction at all. And that is because it would seem that you are one of my objectivists. Being in sync with your own Real Me, Core Self and/or Soul is tantamount to be in sync with the Truth morally and politically.

And once someone reaches this point the psychology of objectivism kicks in: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&t=185296

Not only is Trump a great President but he is a moral president since he kept his campaign promises which vis a vis makes him great.