iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Lorikeet » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:45 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
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Gloominary wrote:What about tangible services, like a self-employed plumber or janitor?
No.
If them then why not whores?
They provide a service as well.

So, you have to produce a free-standing object of some kind?
Leaving out programmers.

And it seemed from the case of Bezos, also not transporters.

Scientists?

Inventors?
They might develop a prototype, but unless they can manage to manufacture the product themselves, they would not be citizens, or?
inventors scientists can participate in production.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Gloominary » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:46 pm

Lorikeet wrote:It's for sale.

:lol:
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Lorikeet » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:46 pm

I think you have a taste for it. Being serviced.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Gloominary » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:48 pm

Gloominary wrote:
Lorikeet wrote:It's for sale.

:lol:

I won't buy it, I don't want to make you a citizen of my empire.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Lorikeet » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:49 pm

But you're already my bitch.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Gloominary » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:52 pm

Lorikeet wrote:I think you have a taste for it. Being serviced.

I think you're a catcher pretending to be a pitcher.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Lorikeet » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:53 pm

Did you smell that up my ass, or did you smell it from yours?
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Gloominary » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:58 pm

Lorikeet wrote:I think you have a taste for it. Being serviced.

Bruh, you just got served.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Lorikeet » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:59 pm

Ouch...did you pitch?
You seem to know a lot about ball players.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:12 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:The important thing is that, much more than intellect, truth takes balls.


No, what takes balls is accepting that the truth in regard to things like the covid pandemic does not necessarily revolve only around what you insist is the truth.

And, what really takes balls, is running your own value judgments past the arguments that I make.

Come on, what have you got to lose here but damn near everything. :wink:
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Gloominary » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:33 pm

...still, Lori's timocracy is interesting.
On the one hand, it's elitist, only the owners of tangible production who've served time in the armed forces can become citizens and participate in politics, on the other hand, it's populist, there's a cap on wealth, altho he didn't get a chance to specify what it was, 1 billion, 100 million, 10 million.
Surplus wealth would be redistributed both to owners, and workers.
While I'm presuming most of the economy would be held in private hands, essential services like infrastructure, fire and police departments, hospitals and schools would be public, but they'd only be available to people who really needed them, not people who abuse them by abusing themselves and others (alcoholics, drug addicts, gamblers, the idle, the morbidly obese, nymphos and so on).
Such people would have their access to public services fully or party restricted.
Lori doesn't appear to be a fascist, he would permit people to abuse themselves and consensually each other.
He'd indirectly cull the degenerates, as he calls them, by withholding public services, unless they committed felonies or had a long list of petty crimes, then I'm presuming he'd directly cull them.
This would also give them more incentive to change their ways.
His timocracy is socioculturally mostly libertarian, and fiscally mixed, part capitalist, part merit-socialist, if you will, at least as far as I can ascertain, trying to fill in the gaps here.
Actually it's not a bad system, at least in theory, very interesting.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Gloominary » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:47 pm

It's sort of a merited social democracy as opposed to an unmerited social democracy.
And nationalist, as opposed to globalist.
Do unmerited social democracies ultimately lead to oligarchy and autocracy?
Because the people have to keep strong, if they want to remain free and self-governing?
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:54 pm

Other than on another planet starting from scratch, where would you be able to try it? And where would that leave the use of technology? I also don’t see the motivation for invention if the inventor hasn’t the means to manufacture the end product. And would businesses with multiple owners receive citizenship for each owner? Nepotism as insurance for ones children would be huge.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Berkley Babes » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:06 pm

I am for no countries. Sorry Olympics. Borders are imaginary lines on a map, but that's not the only reason countries are silly. Of course, the invention of a language that didn't totally destroy cultural stories and myths would be nice. Just the decentralized pockets of powers that need to loosen up. aka (Enemies over there, require secrets here)

I don't know, what type government could oversee a three generation language transition. I want that one.

Tower of babel, anyone?
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Gloominary » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:20 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Other than on another planet starting from scratch, where would you be able to try it?

New frontiers may have to open up.
The unfurling of the Mediterranean sea to rising maritime powers lead to Athenian timocracy, its derivatives and the Roman republic, which later became democracies, which later became dictatorships before collapsing.
The unfurling of the Atlantic, Indian and Pacific oceans to rising maritime powers lead to North American and Western European timocratic republics, which later became democratic republics, which may become dictatorships before collapsing.
Where will the next frontiers open up, in outerspace, cyberspace, underwater?
No one knows.
A century or two from now, a millennium or two?

And where would that leave the use of technology? I also don’t see the motivation for invention if the inventor hasn’t the means to manufacture the end product. And would businesses with multiple owners receive citizenship for each owner? Nepotism as insurance for ones children would be huge.

Innovation might be more evenly distributed and smaller scale than it is today.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Berkley Babes » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:24 pm

Whether I successfully hijacked a thread about posters who get sidetracked may become a bone of contention after a few more pages are added.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Gloominary » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:40 pm

A cap on wealth may eliminate parasites on top, those who merely fiscally speculate, who don't actually produce anything.
Restricting social welfare to those who need it, withholding it from those who abuse or don't appreciate it, may eliminate parasites on the bottom.
Restricting suffrage to the producers, may keep democracy productive.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Berkley Babes » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:54 pm

Gloominary wrote:A cap on wealth may eliminate parasites on top, those who merely fiscally speculate, who don't actually produce anything.
Restricting social welfare to those who need it, withholding it from those who abuse or don't appreciate it, may eliminate parasites on the bottom.
Restricting suffrage to the producers, may keep democracy productive.



Yeah, don't stop moving, that'll be death. Worse than that, you'll be called a loser.

Have you ever watched actual parasite fish follow a shark and wonder if they could ever be a different species if they tried? If not, are they at least thankful for those scraps?
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:50 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
iambiguous wrote:Do Languages Exist?



Hahahahahahahahahahahaha


I know, I know: That's like asking if, on the philosophy board here, assholes exist. And yet, clearly, here you are. :lol:
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:54 pm

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
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Re: iambiguous and Pedro I Rengel don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:15 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Hahahahahahahahahahaha.


All I can say is it's one thing to be the butt of all the jokes here, and another thing altogether to take pride in it. =D>
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