the "I" vs the "WE"...

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the "I" vs the "WE"...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:37 pm

Let it be noted that I was an anarchist for 10 years, but
I am no longer an anarchist... I went from the 'I" to the 'WE"...
but what caused such a change?

It is easy, very, very easy to declare yourself an "I" the world
can only revolved around the "I" when one is apart or separate
from the world.....

in other words, I met a girl, fell in love and got married...
and have been married for over 24 years... I will be married
until someone dies, her or me.. whoever comes first...

and I can state that my relationship with my wife caused me to
go from the "I" to the "WE"...it is easy to say, "I" when one is alone
and apart from others......

those who claim the "I" are the ones who aren't married, don't have families,
separate from others and that is so easy to proclaim the primacy of the "I" when
there is not family involved, no other we are responsible for.......

the ones like Glom, it is easy for them to proclaim the primacy of the "I" when
they are not involved in family or with others..... They say, their only
judgement is about how events engage in their liberty.. their own personal liberty
come first and foremost... and why? because they have no one else in their lives....

it is easy to proclaim the primacy of one's liberty or freedom if there is no one else to
engage with.... but for those of us who have engaged with others, married to others,
we cannot hold to the principle of "my own personal liberty" over all other considerations....

relationships don't work like that.... you give up your own "personal liberty" when
one engages in a relationship... that is how that works...

that is how I can tell Glom and others around here who proclaim their
own "personal freedom" is their highest value, are not married, not
engaged with anyone, alone, apart and separate from others....


because once you have become involved with someone, you no longer
take one's personal freedom/liberty as your highest value..... it goes from
the "I" that exists when one is alone and separate/apart from people to
the "WE" that exists when one is part of a relationship..... and relationships
are not just with people, relationships are with co-workers, groups we belong
to, and yes, even the society or the state.....

I say "We" because I am part of the state and society and been married a long, long
time... whereas Glom and others like him say "I" because they are apart, alone,
separate from others.....they have no relationship that connects them to others
and those relationships are something that changes us to being people who say, "WE'
instead of "I"....

Kropotkin
"Those who sacrifice liberty for security
wind up with neither."
"Ben Franklin"
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Re: the "I" vs the "WE"...

Postby Meno_ » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:22 pm

What about those who claim , unmarried or in some relationship, feeling alone surrounded by family and friends, and / or with the spouses in tow?

Or may be, it is his fault? ( he thinks ), or, maybe they might think he hasn't got much to offer them?
Or, maybe that is what they are actually thinking ?


Are they merely been divisive in their relations unbeknown to them?

Or do they consider their relations as a special situation ? Or, him for that matter.

And then what's so special in any relation?

Peter, You opened a can of worms where even Pandora can not help.
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Re: the "I" vs the "WE"...

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:57 pm

"WE ARE THE BORG"
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Re: the "I" vs the "WE"...

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:04 am

Meno_ wrote:What about those who claim , unmarried or in some relationship, feeling alone surrounded by family and friends, and / or with the spouses in tow?

Or may be, it is his fault? ( he thinks ), or, maybe they might think he hasn't got much to offer them?
Or, maybe that is what they are actually thinking ?


Are they merely been divisive in their relations unbeknown to them?

Or do they consider their relations as a special situation ? Or, him for that matter.

And then what's so special in any relation?

Peter, You opened a can of worms where even Pandora can not help.


K: first things first, I hope I opened a can of worms because it needed to be opened...

as for your other questions, you tell me....

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wind up with neither."
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