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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:35 am

I wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:You never answered that charge about magically having the same opinions as all other pansy ass leftist intellectuals.


Because it's a completely ungrounded assertion. Give one example of such an opinion.

Anyway, so your beloved phoneutria becomes very shy about her political leanings with me... Is that why you're all riled up? :lol:


Well yes, like I was saying with the priest thing, which you also conveniently ignored, I am deeply offended, as Nietzsche was offended, at you moralizing little cunts blackmailing proud people out of proclaiming sound opinions.

For example Olly-o. Lol what the fuck do you know about nuclear power plants? The "environment," but, more importantly, what should be done about it? Why did it ever cross a Dutchman's mind to hate lol fucking Christians in Mississippi?

Is it coincidence that you, an "original" thinker, who spent decades forging thoughts, opinions and theorems out of exhaustive studies of scholars and notebooks so rare, probably less than 1000 people have read them, have the exact same feelings as any other leftist douche professor, who would like the "nasties," or if you want it more grounded "deplorables" to just disappear already? And would like the state to take care of that for you?

Why, if your views are so unique, do they align so perfectly with the standard douchebag leftist professor who listens to fucking Tibetan budists chants?
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:40 am

Lol, I'm a troll?

You want the world population dwindled!

Like all nazis though, it is not because you are actually manly and bloodthirsty.

It is because they violate your safe space.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:44 am

People that understand bloodthirst, that understand the actual fact of killing, you know, like a Spartan would, not some faggot ass professor in a turtle neck, are a lot more circumspect about who and how many's ends they call for.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Zeroeth Nature » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:54 am

phoneutria wrote:if we don't preserve our old way of life
preserving the environment is meaningless


I disagree in any case. And is your old way of life really that good?


that said, i don't fucking vote
i don't tell people who to vote for
i don't talk about it
and if pressured to speak
i tell them they're suckers for believing that any of it matters
and that they have any sort of power through vote
the people who are running the show are going to get their way
no matter what old asshole gets that chair


I think that's basically the end of "democracy in practice" ('failing and thereby succeeding democracy, democracy with its necessarily arising and arisen elites'). Disbelief in voting, the mainstream media (though "ideally" that should mean something like the BBC, which Boris and his cronies are trying to get rid of), peer-reviewed science—it's disbeliefs like these (usually coupled with insane beliefs like QAnon) that let the world slide into ochlocracy, war, and yes, environmental disaster. But by all means, don't let me pressure you.


the only value of that chair is the symbol
and what that person stands for is a reflection of society
so as far as that is concerned
I would take goddamn bolsonaro over haddad any fucking day of the week


Agreeing to disagree about the value of the chair, the effect of voting, etc., I guess Bolsonaro may be the best Brazil has to offer right now, what with all the corruption you describe...

A couple of years ago I suggested that, if Republicans found out cars need oxygen to burn gasoline, they might invade Brazil instead of some Middle East country next.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Zeroeth Nature » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:05 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:And has the unheard of viedew, in South America, that less state is always better than more sttate. Always.


As such that's an idiotic idea, though. For, taken to its extreme, that means no state at all. And even libertarians, though they often seem to forget it, absolutely do want a certain minimum of state.

"[L]iberal enlightenment's chief teachers (Hobbes, Locke, Voltaire, etc.) sought to replace military by economic rivalry, heroic virtue by Lilliputian shrewdness. [...] Adam Smith, for example, was a professor of morality whose doctrine of free economic competition was intended as a moral substitute for the potentially global war of all against all unleashed by popularization of liberalism's willful rebellion against political piety. That willfulness leaves all men at liberty to do whatever they please with a clear conscience. Smith believed that the monstrous possibilities inherent in this unbridled license might be gentled, if the competitiveness sanctioned by it could be channeled into peaceful, economic rivalry. The last thing he wanted was a Marxist classless society which licensed everyone to actualize the awful potentialities of liberalism's Moloch." (Harry Neumann, Liberalism, page 258.)

You know Marxian Communism is entirely stateless, right?


Gun control is not about saving people, it is about controlling people.


Obvious bullshit, but moreover, what's so bad about controlling people? Social discontents like you put the need for control on prominent display!
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:10 am

Anyway, I just wanted to say I'm a fan of this new you.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Zeroeth Nature » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:21 am

iambiguous wrote:
Zeroeth Nature wrote:
iambiguous wrote:Then we understand examples and the point of them differently.

In regard to Christianity, climate change, Trump etc., someone can note a context in which they express their own particular spiritual or moral or political prejudices. These prejudices precipitate behaviors that conflict with my own. Now, as a moral nihilist, my point to them is that the conflicts revolve around the manner in which I construe individual value judgments as rooted existentially in dasein. Conflicts are expected by me because, in a No God world, there does not appear to be a font that mere mortals can turn to make the conflicts go away. So while the conflicts are expected, I don't expect there to be any actual definitive resolutions.

What I'm trying to grasp is how, regarding your own conflicts with others pertaining to spiritual, moral or political values, you explain the conflict to them as a perfect nihilist.

Note where your examples above have accomplished this.


You're right, they haven't. Then again, with most people it's simply no use trying to explain perfect nihilism to them. But I'll do so now, anyway.

My opposition to Christianity, man-made climate change, Trump et al. etc. is rooted in my will to the opposite of nihilism, namely a world of polities like ancient Israel, Sparta, and Carthage...


Okay, but how is this assessment not in turn derived existentially from the life that you lived, the experiences you had, the relationships you sustained, the information, knowledge and ideas you came upon. Acknowledging in turn that had your life, your experiences, your relationships, your access to information, knowledge and idea, been very different, you would almost certainly not be rooting "my will to the opposite of nihilism, namely a world of polities like ancient Israel, Sparta, and Carthage", at all.


Ha yes, I suppose I'm an objectivist with regard to the opposite of nihilism, and nihilism itself for that matter! I think I know what nihilism, perfect nihilism, is... But sure, even if I know what the diametrical opposite of nihilism is, in theory, then I may still be wrong about ancient Israel, Sparta, Carthage, etc.—my views of them may indeed be coloured by my dasein or whatever. However:

iambiguous wrote:
Zeroeth Nature wrote: But as I said, with most people it's simply no use to try and explain it to them. And even you are one of those people.


Perhaps because given how they live in the "here and now" -- the modern/post modern industrial world -- what is believed by you "in your head" about a world long gone, is all that much more obscure and immaterial and beside the point. Extrinsic and extraneous to the reality of their day to day interactions out in the world as it is now.


Well, I think that's a problematic sentiment—akin to disbelief in science and scholarship (of History, in this case). And on this note, I'll bow out of my discussion with you. It's been good for me, though. You're a nice, paradoxical kind of nihilist Socrates.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:36 am

Zeroeth Nature wrote:You know Marxian Communism is entirely stateless, right?


Is that before or after the dictatorship of the proletariat? Did we pass that stage already? Trick question, nobody passes that stage.

But like more than that. Is this how deep your studies of history go? Do you have any idea how communists movements morphed and evolved, and gave things like the Phalanx, which invented this Spartan idea you invoke, which is laughable because a Spartan, again, might consider someone like you for a sex doll, or Mussolini's Fascism, or National Socialism? Is it really for you just the stupid little three stage diagram they show in high school?

I know it is.

Zeroeth Nature wrote:Obvious bullshit, but moreover, what's so bad about controlling people? Social discontents like you put the need for control on prominent display!


Spoken like a true Spartan.

Oy vei...


You didn't answer, pansy face: what in the sweet fuck does a fairy tale enthusiast like you know about nuclear power plants, or "the environment?" Did you find time to fit that all in between all the Strauss and Lampard? I never heard you mention it.

And, again, you used to at least attempt to stand apart. But now you just parrot the standard commie academic douchebag line of rhetoric: it isn't about control, but actually it is about control.

Truth would be anathema to you weren't it?
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:34 am

Hey ZN, but I changed my mind, I wanted to keep talking!

You're leaving?
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby phoneutria » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:00 am

Zeroeth Nature wrote:
phoneutria wrote:if we don't preserve our old way of life
preserving the environment is meaningless


I disagree in any case. And is your old way of life really that good?


absolutely yes, and slightly perplexed at the question
but then, you've already posted your rationale for willing oneself out of existence
so maybe the surprise is unwarranted

but for what it is worth
because it might he a strange concept to a modern day european
for people who like me grew up in a jungle
there is no separation between the old way of life and environment protection


I think that's basically the end of "democracy in practice" ('failing and thereby succeeding democracy, democracy with its necessarily arising and arisen elites'). Disbelief in voting, the mainstream media (though "ideally" that should mean something like the BBC, which Boris and his cronies are trying to get rid of), peer-reviewed science—it's disbeliefs like these (usually coupled with insane beliefs like QAnon) that let the world slide into ochlocracy, war, and yes, environmental disaster. But by all means, don't let me pressure you.


the only one of of those i have ever believed in
is peer-reviewed science
but I wonder if it is fair to say that these disbeliefs in politics and media
are the cause of, say, war
considering that every major armed conflict of this and the past century
were strong states going against one another
garnering support from the population through the media
so I am also a bit puzzled by the idea that the world is sliding into something
by citizens questioning the authority of people's elected employees
to impose restrictions on our liberty to live our lives as we wish to live them
as well as the propaganda that they use to make willing participants of us
you can make your case if you wish
i am a reasonable person
but no, I will not be pressured :)


Agreeing to disagree about the value of the chair, the effect of voting, etc., I guess Bolsonaro may be the best Brazil has to offer right now, what with all the corruption you describe...

A couple of years ago I suggested that, if Republicans found out cars need oxygen to burn gasoline, they might invade Brazil instead of some Middle East country next.


it might seem that way to you
but most of the pressure in the direction of "invade Brazil" usually comes from democrat/socialist governments
though it usually comes in phrases like Brazil must yield sovereignty over the Amazon
Amazonia belongs to the world, etc
but any conversation that i am willing to have about environment protection
starts with looking at this map

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first thing to point out obviously
is that Europe wiped the fuck out of all of their forests
like, China levels of disregard for preservation
so maybe start there?
you know, like, plant some fucking trees
before asking a sovereign nation to yield power over territory'
either that, or drop the bullshit and come get it
nuke one of our cities
kill a few hundred thousand of us
like a proper imperialist
don't come to us with shaming tactics
the jungles still covers 60% of our land
there are not a lot of countries who can say that
so fuck off macron and merkel both

the other interesting thing to notice is the Congo Basin
which is disappearing faster than the Amazon
but do you ever hear anyone say anything about it?
this was pointed out at the G7 and it was hilarious to me"

The CAFI’s support comes just over a week after the Biarritz G7 meeting in France, where $20 million had been allocated to extinguish forest fires in the Amazon, while a map of the American space station (NASA) presented at least a comparable situation in Africa and specifically in the Congo Basin. This action was then described as unfair, because if Amazonia with its 5 million square kilometres was at the centre of all the G7 discussions, the Congo River Basin, which offers an area of 4 million square kilometres and 220 million hectares of forests, was hardly mentioned.


so a week after that whole Amazon Macron-Bolsonaro fiasco
they scraped up and send the Congo some money
lest they look like the fucking hypocrites that they are

what's funny also
is that you can find articles that came out about this 65mil they sent to the Congo
but they are all practically identical

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and they all talk the problem in the Congo way down
almost like a... damage control effort
like the fires there are a thing that's supposed to happen
but just a glance at this deforestation map shows that this argument is bullshit
and even if it wasn't
it could just as well be made for the Amazon

“The question now is to what extent we can compare,” said Philippe Verbelen, a Greenpeace forest campaigner working on the Congo Basin.
“Fire is quite a regular thing in Africa. It’s part of a cycle, people in the dry season set fire to bush rather than to dense, moist rainforest.”
Guillaume Lescuyer, a central African expert at the French agricultural research and development centre (CIRAD), also said the fires seen in NASA images were mostly burning outside the rain forest.
Angola’s government also urged caution, saying swift comparisons to the Amazon may lead to “misinformation of more reckless minds”.
The fires were usual at the end of the dry season, the Angolan Ministry of Environment said.
“It happens at this time of the year, in many parts of our country, and fires are caused by farmers with the land in its preparation phase, because of the proximity of the rainy season,” it said.


as to why the Amazon matters so much to the 1st world, but not the Congo
there are many many hypothesis
but here is just one

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so there you go
a cool anecdote for you about the media
folded into an anecdote about political dishonesty
folded into the environment protection debate
but don't let me pressure you either
believe whatever you want
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm

phoneutria wrote:believe whatever you want


After all, that's what she does. :lol:
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Zeroeth Nature » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:28 am

phoneutria wrote:
Zeroeth Nature wrote:
phoneutria wrote:if we don't preserve our old way of life
preserving the environment is meaningless


I disagree in any case. And is your old way of life really that good?


absolutely yes, and slightly perplexed at the question
but then, you've already posted your rationale for willing oneself out of existence
so maybe the surprise is unwarranted


This response makes no sense, for multiple reasons. First off, you seem to confound "way of life" with "life". And second, what I posted is Nietzsche's rationale for the degenerating and parasitical to will themselves out of existence.


but for what it is worth
because it might he a strange concept to a modern day european
for people who like me grew up in a jungle
there is no separation between the old way of life and environment protection


I didn't know you grew up in a jungle, and did all Brazilians grow up in a jungle? Or even most Brazilians? What about all the glue-sniffing kids in the slums whose organs get harvested—is their life also absolutely fabulous?


I think that's basically the end of "democracy in practice" ('failing and thereby succeeding democracy, democracy with its necessarily arising and arisen elites'). Disbelief in voting, the mainstream media (though "ideally" that should mean something like the BBC, which Boris and his cronies are trying to get rid of), peer-reviewed science—it's disbeliefs like these (usually coupled with insane beliefs like QAnon) that let the world slide into ochlocracy, war, and yes, environmental disaster. But by all means, don't let me pressure you.


the only one of of those i have ever believed in
is peer-reviewed science
but I wonder if it is fair to say that these disbeliefs in politics and media
are the cause of, say, war
considering that every major armed conflict of this and the past century
were strong states going against one another
garnering support from the population through the media
so I am also a bit puzzled by the idea that the world is sliding into something
by citizens questioning the authority of people's elected employees
to impose restrictions on our liberty to live our lives as we wish to live them
as well as the propaganda that they use to make willing participants of us
you can make your case if you wish
i am a reasonable person
but no, I will not be pressured  :)


You make it all sound so swell... But what do you mean by "major armed conflict": large-scale armed conflict? I mean, sure, if Yugoslavia had attacked Italy it would have been a larger-scale conflict, but I'd still say the Yugoslav Wars were pretty major... Consider also Africa (the Rwandan genocide for example), not to mention the Middle East. Also, this might be of some interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_at_War


Agreeing to disagree about the value of the chair, the effect of voting, etc., I guess Bolsonaro may be the best Brazil has to offer right now, what with all the corruption you describe...

A couple of years ago I suggested that, if Republicans found out cars need oxygen to burn gasoline, they might invade Brazil instead of some Middle East country next.


it might seem that way to you
but most of the pressure in the direction of  "invade Brazil" usually comes from democrat/socialist governments
though it usually comes in phrases like Brazil must yield sovereignty over the Amazon
Amazonia belongs to the world, etc


Fair enough.


but any conversation that i am willing to have about environment protection
starts with looking at this map

changes_forest_cover.jpg


By itself that's obviously a terrible map. I mean, what does "original" even mean here?

"It is no use appealing to ancient Germanic custom and chastity: there are no Germani anymore, nor are there any forests anymore." (N, Summer-Autumn 1884 26 [363].)

This and other sources suggest to me that "original" means "before the Industrial Revolution". And sure, it's unfair to some extent to blame developing countries for the same things developed countries did before them. (Did you know, by the way, that Medieval Europeans pretty much fished their rivers and lakes empty? They thought there was no end to God's bounty!)


first thing to point out obviously
is that Europe wiped the fuck out of all of their forests
like, China levels of disregard for preservation
so maybe start there?
you know, like, plant some fucking trees
before asking a sovereign nation to yield power over territory'
either that, or drop the bullshit and come get it
nuke one of our cities
kill a few hundred thousand of us
like a proper imperialist
don't come to us with shaming tactics


Right, let Bolsonaro do that instead...


the jungles still covers 60% of our land
there are not a lot of countries who can say that
so fuck off macron and merkel both

the other interesting thing to notice is the Congo Basin
which is disappearing faster than the Amazon
but do you ever hear anyone say anything about it?
this was pointed out at the G7 and it was hilarious to me"

The CAFI’s support comes just over a week after the Biarritz G7 meeting in France, where $20 million had been allocated to extinguish forest fires in the Amazon, while a map of the American space station (NASA) presented at least a comparable situation in Africa and specifically in the Congo Basin. This action was then described as unfair, because if Amazonia with its 5 million square kilometres was at the centre of all the G7 discussions, the Congo River Basin, which offers an area of 4 million square kilometres and 220 million hectares of forests, was hardly mentioned.


so a week after that whole Amazon Macron-Bolsonaro fiasco
they scraped up and send the Congo some money
lest they look like the fucking hypocrites that they are

what's funny also
is that you can find articles that came out about this 65mil they sent to the Congo
but they are all practically identical

index.jpg


and they all talk the problem in the Congo way down
almost like a... damage control effort
like the fires there are a thing that's supposed to happen
but just a glance at this deforestation map shows that this argument is bullshit
and even if it wasn't
it could just as well be made for the Amazon

“The question now is to what extent we can compare,” said Philippe Verbelen, a Greenpeace forest campaigner working on the Congo Basin.
“Fire is quite a regular thing in Africa. It’s part of a cycle, people in the dry season set fire to bush rather than to dense, moist rainforest.”
Guillaume Lescuyer, a central African expert at the French agricultural research and development centre (CIRAD), also said the fires seen in NASA images were mostly burning outside the rain forest.
Angola’s government also urged caution, saying swift comparisons to the Amazon may lead to “misinformation of more reckless minds”.
The fires were usual at the end of the dry season, the Angolan Ministry of Environment said.
“It happens at this time of the year, in many parts of our country, and fires are caused by farmers with the land in its preparation phase, because of the proximity of the rainy season,” it said.


as to why the Amazon matters so much to the 1st world, but not the Congo
there are many many hypothesis
but here is just one

World_Niobium_Production_2006.svg.png


Well, with this one I was at least able to find the source (the English Wikipedia article on niobium)...


so there you go
a cool anecdote for you about the media
folded into an anecdote about political dishonesty
folded into the environment protection debate
but don't let me pressure you either
believe whatever you want


I believe Nietzsche when he says, "nobody lies as much as the indignant do.—" (BGE 26.)
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby perpetualburn » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:53 am

Zeroeth Nature wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:You never said you want to kill all those Christians.

You said you want them to die off.


This is actually an interesting subject, though of course you were just making snide remarks.

To my knowledge, Nietzsche never speaks of killing the degenerating and parasitical etc. Not just not of killing them himself, but not even of other people killing them (except for suicide by cop and the like). Instead, he says things like this:



Well, he does say in Ecce Homo:

"Let us look a century ahead, and let us suppose that my attempt to destroy two millenniums of hostility to Nature and of the violation of humanity be crowned with success That new party of life-advocates, which will undertake the greatest of all tasks, the elevation and perfection of mankind, as well as the relentless destruction of all degenerate and parasitical elements, will make that superabundance of life on earth once more possible"

You could interpret that as Nietzsche advocating other people actually killing ("relentless destruction")

Whereas here, in the quote below, it's more driving them to despair or self extinction... Nevertheless, he does say he "wants wars" and killing is generally a part of war, and driving out the others doesn't necessarily mean only to despair... You can certainly drive someone off a literal cliff

"I want wars in which the vital and courageous drive out the others —you ought to expel them, shower them with every manner of contempt, or lock them up in insane asylums, drive them to despair"

Does anything in Nietzsche suggest he would be against people killing for the "greatest of all tasks."



"Suppose there is no 'other world' to flee to; suppose there is only this world, condemned by Christian ideals as cruel, false, purposeless, meaningless; suppose then that it does not happen just once, releasing men forever to a dreamless sleep, but must repeat itself senselessly always, grinding in the horror of existence like a cosmic dentist's drill—would that not produce a truly 'ecstatic nihilism'?" (George A. Morgan, What Nietzsche Means, pp. 356-57.)


"Let the Magus then contemplate each in turn, raising it to the ultimate power of Infinity. Wherein Sorrow is Joy, and Change is Stability, and Selflessness is Self. For the interplay of the parts hath no action upon the whole." (Aleister Crowley, "The Book of the Magus", 16.)


That's one of the best unintended descriptions of a hellish 5-meo-dmt trip I've heard yet lol... Pleasure becomes pain, pain becomes pleasure as you grind away senselessly in the horror of existence, on some cosmic wheel of torture spinning eternally...until you wake up...refreshed


I was looking back at your "State of the World Address" and stumbled upon this quote:

[H]ow can we understand the so-called wrathful deities, the focus of so many contemplative practices in Tibetan Buddhism? In essence, their awesome appearance expresses the invincible power of compassion.
Imagine a mother whose child was about to be run over by a car. She would not hesitate, or gently say, 'Please move away from the road.' She would immediately grab the child and pull him forcibly to safety. Her act is violent in appearance only. In truth she has saved her child's life." (_Demonic Divine_, Foreword.)


Reminded of this from TSZ:

" So alien are ye in your souls to what is great, that to you the Superman would be FRIGHTFUL in his goodness!

And ye wise and knowing ones, ye would flee from the solar-glow of the wisdom in which the Superman joyfully batheth his nakedness!

Ye highest men who have come within my ken! this is my doubt of you, and my secret laughter: I suspect ye would call my Superman—a devil! "
As a pillar of rising smoke did my angel condescend and appear, standing without reserve on the exhausted banks of infinite sorrow.

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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:00 am

perpetualburn wrote:Does anything in Nietzsche suggest he would be against people killing for the "greatest of all tasks."


Not necessarily I guess. But who's calling for that?

All I hear is someone wishing people would just "disappear."

I don't like our professor's chances against a "Bible Belt" Christian, I'll tell you that.

For that, and for millions of other reasons, your treatments of Nietzsche are a mockery.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby perpetualburn » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:05 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
perpetualburn wrote:Does anything in Nietzsche suggest he would be against people killing for the "greatest of all tasks."


Not necessarily I guess. But who's calling for that?

All I hear is someone wishing people would just "disappear."

I don't like our professor's chances against a "Bible Belt" Christian, I'll tell you that.

For that, and for millions of other reasons, your treatments of Nietzsche are a mockery.


You should get your hearing checked.

Also, are you a Christian?
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:06 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I don't like our professor's chances against a "Bible Belt" Christian, I'll tell you that.


Who, by the way, still has not explained the strange phenomenon of his leftist groupthink.

He asked for one example. I gave him three.

Of course he has the theoretical and rhetorical rigor of a late night show writer.

There is no structure. Only disconnected quotes and smartass remarks.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:06 am

perpetualburn wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:
perpetualburn wrote:Does anything in Nietzsche suggest he would be against people killing for the "greatest of all tasks."


Not necessarily I guess. But who's calling for that?

All I hear is someone wishing people would just "disappear."

I don't like our professor's chances against a "Bible Belt" Christian, I'll tell you that.

For that, and for millions of other reasons, your treatments of Nietzsche are a mockery.


You should get your hearing checked.


I did. they did this oil and pressured water procedure and it was like being born again.

Your point?
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:08 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:There is no structure. Only disconnected quotes and smartass remarks.


Like the pansy ass, bitch ass nazi that he is.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:11 am

perpetualburn wrote:Also, are you a Christian?

You answer me first, I'll answer you.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby perpetualburn » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:21 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Your point?


My point is that you don't read well... "all I hear is someone wishing people would just "disappear"...How can you take that from what ZN said...just go back and read the posts pertaining to Nietzsche and degenerates... Also, how is my treatment of Nietzsche a "mockery"?
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:24 am

perpetualburn wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Your point?


My point is that you don't read well... "all I hear is someone wishing people would just "disappear"...How can you take that from what ZN said...just go back and read the posts pertaining to Nietzsche and degenerates... Also, how is my treatment of Nietzsche a "mockery"?


Quotes?

When he speaks for himself, that's what he says. He wishes all these nasty people would just disappear. And then he hides behind some Nietzsche quotes. You nazis really have no balls, but no shame either.

I have not heard him, or you for that matter, express any wish for any killing. Because you are both soft, and yellow bellied.

Your treatment of Nietzsche is a mockery for the above reason, first. We'll deal with the rest as it comes.
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Zeroeth Nature » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:32 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:I don't like our professor's chances against a "Bible Belt" Christian, I'll tell you that.


Who, by the way, still has not explained the strange phenomenon of his leftist groupthink.

He asked for one example. I gave him three.


You gave me zero:

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
I wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:You never answered that charge about magically having the same opinions as all other pansy ass leftist intellectuals.


Because it's a completely ungrounded assertion. Give one example of such an opinion.

Anyway, so your beloved phoneutria becomes very shy about her political leanings with me... Is that why you're all riled up? :lol:


Well yes, like I was saying with the priest thing, which you also conveniently ignored, I am deeply offended, as Nietzsche was offended, at you moralizing little cunts blackmailing proud people out of proclaiming sound opinions.


Blackmailing people is not an opinion. No idea what you mean by "the priest thing", by the way.

For example Olly-o. Lol what the fuck do you know about nuclear power plants? The "environment," but, more importantly, what should be done about it? Why did it ever cross a Dutchman's mind to hate lol fucking Christians in Mississippi?

Is it coincidence that you, an "original" thinker, who spent decades forging thoughts, opinions and theorems out of exhaustive studies of scholars and notebooks so rare, probably less than 1000 people have read them, have the exact same feelings as any other leftist douche professor, who would like the "nasties," or if you want it more grounded "deplorables" to just disappear already? And would like the state to take care of that for you?

Why, if your views are so unique, do they align so perfectly with the standard douchebag leftist professor who listens to fucking Tibetan budists chants?


Asking a question is not giving an example of an opinion.

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By the way, now that I'm responding to you again, after ignoring you for a bit: you didn't really think this was meant to speak against the Jews, right (I'm thinking of your "Jew, Capitalist, Capitalist, Jew" comment, which I previously ignored):

Sauwelios wrote:"Some Christian or post-Christian form of monotheism, and with it the death of serious politics, has triumphed everywhere during the last two millennia. If isolated pockets of warrior piety exist today they are pitied as 'backward' or 'underdeveloped' peoples, that is, people whose 'sexist', 'chauvinist' or 'racist' prejudices require replacement by Christian-liberal ideals. The Jews, and only the Jews, never were reconciled to this replacement. They remained aware of the terrifying emptiness of apolitical, cosmopolitan solutions." (Neumann, Liberalism, "The Case Against Liberalism".)

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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby perpetualburn » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:33 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
perpetualburn wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Your point?


My point is that you don't read well... "all I hear is someone wishing people would just "disappear"...How can you take that from what ZN said...just go back and read the posts pertaining to Nietzsche and degenerates... Also, how is my treatment of Nietzsche a "mockery"?


Quotes?

When he speaks for himself, that's what he says. He wishes all these nasty people would just disappear. And then he hides behind some Nietzsche quotes. You nazis really have no balls, but no shame either.

I have not heard him, or you for that matter, express any wish for any killing. Because you are both soft, and yellow bellied.

Your treatment of Nietzsche is a mockery for the above reason, first. We'll deal with the rest as it comes.


So I'm a Nazi for not expressing a wish for killing?
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby MagsJ » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:39 am

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Pedro, why you bothering feeding a troll?

He is arguing from the past/past dramas, and has forgotten his own drug-fuelled incoherency over the years.

This guy ever dare respond to me again, and I’ll ensure he wished he hadn’t!
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Re: phoneutria and iambiguous don't contend

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:40 am

Zeroeth Nature wrote:You gave me zero:


Pedro I Rengel wrote:
For example Olly-o. Lol what the fuck do you know about nuclear power plants? The "environment," but, more importantly, what should be done about it? Why did it ever cross a Dutchman's mind to hate lol fucking Christians in Mississippi?

Is it coincidence that you, an "original" thinker, who spent decades forging thoughts, opinions and theorems out of exhaustive studies of scholars and notebooks so rare, probably less than 1000 people have read them, have the exact same feelings as any other leftist douche professor, who would like the "nasties," or if you want it more grounded "deplorables" to just disappear already? And would like the state to take care of that for you?

Why, if your views are so unique, do they align so perfectly with the standard douchebag leftist professor who listens to fucking Tibetan budists chants?


Zeroeth Nature wrote:Blackmailing people is not an opinion. No idea what you mean by "the priest thing", by the way.


Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:I see phoneutria suddenly becomes very shy about her political leanings with you.

There used to be a different institution which achieved that purpose, of blackmailing people into the "correct" opinion. Of bypassing reason and appealing to an established moral dogma that is attached to emotion through all sorts of creepy ass fucked up pathways.

Maybe you dislike Christians because they are competition?

Laughable competition these days, obviously. Nobody believes in God anymore.

But same game, right? Harmless people, wouldn't hurt a fly, actually the people who preach against hurting flies, scholars.

Antagonistic to life? Dreams of hellfire for the larger part of humanity? Lol ring any bells?

Take your time. Check Lampard.


If any person achieved knowledge or power outside of its means, they would be persecuted, ostracized, excommunicated, and often tried and burned.

Science was acceptable, as long as it passed the Church filter first. Otherwise, it would require amending.


Pedro I Rengel wrote:And that you [University teachers] are basically replacement Christians.


Zeroeth Nature wrote:
Asking a question is not giving an example of an opinion.


Are you dumb?

You really cannot process examples presented in question form?

Where did you get your degree?
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