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Re: Wendy Darling and iambiguous contend...

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:57 pm

100 Years of Communism—and 100 Million Dead

https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810

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In 1994, R. J. Rummel's book Death by Government included about 110 million people, foreign and domestic, killed by communist democide from 1900 to 1987.[30] In 1993, Rummel wrote: "Even were we to have total access to all communist archives we still would not be able to calculate precisely how many the communists murdered. Consider that even in spite of the archival statistics and detailed reports of survivors, the best experts still disagree by over 40 percent on the total number of Jews killed by the Nazis. We cannot expect near this accuracy for the victims of communism. We can, however, get a probable order of magnitude and a relative approximation of these deaths within a most likely range".[17] Due to additional information about Mao's culpability in the Great Chinese Famine from the work of Jung Chang and Jon Halliday, in late 2005 Rummel revised upward his total for communist democide between 1900 and 1999 to about 148 million, using their estimate of 38 million famine deaths.[31][32]
In 1999, the Stéphane Courtois introduction to the Black Book of Communism gave a "rough approximation, based on unofficial estimates" approaching 100 million killed.[s] In his foreword to the book, Martin Malia noted "a grand total of victims variously estimated by contributors to the volume at between 85 million and 100 million".[t]
In 2005, Benjamin Valentino stated that the number of non-combatants killed by communist regimes in the Soviet Union, People's Republic of China and Cambodia alone ranged from a low of 21 million to a high of 70 million.[u][v] Citing Rummel and others, Valentino stated that the "highest end of the plausible range of deaths attributed to communist regimes" was up to 110 million".[u][w]
In 2010, Steven Rosefielde's book Red Holocaust said that communism's internal contradictions "caused to be killed" approximately 60 million people and perhaps tens of millions more.[33]
In 2011, Matthew White published his rough total of 70 million "people who died under communist regimes from execution, labor camps, famine, ethnic cleansing, and desperate flight in leaky boats", not counting those killed in wars.[x]
In 2016, the Dissident blog of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation made an effort to compile updated ranges of estimates and concluded that the overall range "spans from 42,870,000 to 161,990,000" killed, with 100 million the most commonly cited figure.[y]
In 2017, Professor Stephen Kotkin wrote in The Wall Street Journal that communism killed at least 65 million people between 1917 and 2017: "Though communism has killed huge numbers of people intentionally, even more of its victims have died from starvation as a result of its cruel projects of social engineering."[z][34]
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Re: Wendy Darling and iambiguous contend...

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:57 am

The objectivist mind at work:

iambiguous wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Is that you nodding that dying makes you a winner?


In what context? For example, if your life has become a living hell then, sure, dying can be seen as a victory. Or suppose you believe in God and that, upon dying, your soul goes to Heaven. Wouldn't that make you a winner?

Or, again, are we to just accept that only your own assessment of the relationship between dying and winning counts here?


And it is as though I never noted this all:

WendyDarling wrote:Most reasonable, rational people would not agree that the overwhelming majority of soldiers wanted to become winners in heaven or that they were suicidal. My way of thinking might be crass, even ugly in some light, but it's more honest than how you are trying to rebuff my point. Death from this life is not winning, when the vast majority of people place utmost value in remaining in the game of life.


All she provides us with is yet again her insistence that "most reasonable, rational people" would think like she does. They would "naturally" accept her own assessment as in fact true. Axiomatically as it were. She is after all shaped and molded by Satyr.

Trust me though: It has nothing to with being crass or ugly, and everything to do with being a run-of-the-mill objectivist.

Unless of course I'm wrong.

But then the part where she says "most people" or the "majority of people". Meaning that not everyone is a declamatory reactionary spewing rabid Kidstuff in post after post.

Or, okay, something like that. 8)
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Re: Wendy Darling and iambiguous contend...

Postby surreptitious75 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:58 pm

Wendy wrote:
The war stopped the north from creating the domino effect past south vietnam and the
rest of Asia in their attempt to flip each democratic nation each regime into communism

Not true as both Laos and Cambodia went Communist the same time as South Vietnam and so the domino effect occurred anyway
Pol Pot then went on to murder at least one million of his own citizens in only four years in a country of just seven million people
America was in Vietnam for twenty years yet it failed so spectacularly to stop the spread of both Communism and totalitarianism
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Re: Wendy Darling and iambiguous contend...

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:27 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
Wendy wrote:
The war stopped the north from creating the domino effect past south vietnam and the
rest of Asia in their attempt to flip each democratic nation each regime into communism

Not true as both Laos and Cambodia went Communist the same time as South Vietnam and so the domino effect occurred anyway
Pol Pot then went on to murder at least one million of his own citizens in only four years in a country of just seven million people
America was in Vietnam for twenty years yet it failed so spectacularly to stop the spread of both Communism and totalitarianism
Though it's hard to say if that was a domino effect from vietnamese communism. In fact, US bombing in those countries was more causal than Vietnam. Further it was Vietnam who overthrew the Khmer Rouge.

Note: I don't by Wendy's theory. I don't think the domino effect was prevented by the war. And in fact you are always on shakey ground if you are arguing what would have happened in what basically might as well be a parallel universe. I don't think the whole domino effect theory has much backing.
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