promethean75 wrote:Great video, doc!
A capitalist comes clean. This is like a black swan event. I can hardly believe my ears.
Innovation is a process which will solve human problems. ...innovation plus cooperation results in increasing prosperity for all.
An effective business is not a jungle; it's a garden: a garden of cooperation.
Inclusion is the answer. Inclusive cooperating teams will create economic growth and prosperity. This is true for competition among corporations and even among nations.
Being rapacious means being psychopathic; greed is NOT good !!
thinkdr wrote:In case you never got around to viewing the TED Talk on You Tube, here are some of the points made by Nick Hanauer, the successful businessman.Innovation is a process which will solve human problems. ...innovation plus cooperation results in increasing prosperity for all.
An effective business is not a jungle; it's a garden: a garden of cooperation.
Inclusion is the answer. Inclusive cooperating teams will create economic growth and prosperity. This is true for competition among corporations and even among nations.
Being rapacious means being psychopathic; greed is NOT good !!
Readers: Do you agree that his approach to business and to economics is
applied Ethics? From your understanding of the new paradigm, Ethics, can it absorb within itself everything that Nick is teaching about Economics? I believe
it can, but I'd like to hear from you.
Karpel Tunnel wrote:thinkdr wrote:Innovation is a process which will solve human problems. ...innovation plus cooperation results in increasing prosperity for all.
An effective business is .. a garden of cooperation....Inclusion is the answer....cooperating teams will create economic growth and prosperity ..
greed is NOT good !!
One tricky area is deciding what is greed. Also earlier in the quote 'effective' is not defined, here at least. ...Unfortunately greedy companies are quite effective at some things.
we end on this 'being rapacious is psychopathic' but that's more or less cheating. You have a pejorative word 'rapacious' being defined by another pejorative term psychopathic.
Right off that simply alienates anyone who thinks competition is or can be good and also thinks that competition need not be rapacious. the whole quote seems to assume that cooperation and competition are mutually exclusive.
and hey I am critical of corporations and tend to think of them as regions of fascism as they are currently protected and conceived under the law, with rights and reduced responsibilities compared to how they were first conceived.
The trick is to show, to my mind how competition, desire and cooperation come to some balance.
I'm with you here, however when we look out at society competition and greed and cooperation can mix be separate, overlap.thinkdr wrote:
Greed is an obsessive-compulsive neurosis; this neurosis is usually seen when persons collects old magazines, or newspapers, and when you enter their room you note that these papers are piled right up to the ceiling. In the case of greed the urge is to collect MONEY.
[How can a person be expected to scrape by on only one-hundred-million?! He has to become a billionaire!]
Efficient usually means getting things done with low expense, quickly, low resource use. Effective usually means how much you can count on it working. A bulldozer is extremely effective at getting through a doorway, but not so efficient.When I use the word "effective" I mean by it: beneficial to enhancing quality-of-life, applying Intrinsic valuation to the situation.
Greedy individuals and companies are quite efficient at some things. {In my writings I have made this distinction between the concepts "efficient" and "effective." The former is Extrinsic value, while the lattter is Intrinsic value. I-value is worth uncountably-more than E-value. (This is another-- a more academic - way of saying that love is more valuable than savoir-faire.)
Sure.Yes, I believe Nick Hanauer intended those words (rapaciousness is pathology) to be perjorative. It was not so much a definition as it was an attribution. He was describing greed as sociopathic, and used the word 'psychopathic' instead. The point is he was emotional about other businessmen having that neurosis called 'greed.' He feels it gives business a bad name.
OK but then this seems implicit when greed is being defined as opposed to cooperation. Though I did reread the quote and it seems like he is viewing competition positively. Which means he is not seeing them as mutually exclusive. Good.Nowhere in his ten-minute talk did he give (me, at least) the impression he is against competition.
thinkdr wrote:.
THIS IS A SURVEY:
Do you hold that ethics is learned:
A. Only at “your mother’s knee,” that is, at home when you are young
B. In a classroom when one is either a senior in high-school and/or it can be taught to a college student
C. Both of the above A and B
D. Neither A nor B, because it is genetic
E. All of the above
F. None of the above.
Please let us know how you vote in this survey.
Which option do you choose?
MagsJ wrote:thinkdr wrote:.
THIS IS A SURVEY:
Do you hold that ethics is learned:
A. Only at “your mother’s knee,” that is, at home when you are young
B. In a classroom when one is either a senior in high-school and/or it can be taught to a college student
C. Both of the above A and B
D. Neither A nor B, because it is genetic
E. All of the above
F. None of the above.
Please let us know how you vote in this survey.
Which option do you choose?
I would say E. as, as we can be taught the Ethical at home and/or in Educational Establishments, ethics is instinctual, but it may not be for some whom lead unethical lives under the radar and outside of the law.
think wrote:
Abraham Maslow as a result of his research claimed that human beings do not have instincts
surreptitious75 wrote:think wrote:
Abraham Maslow as a result of his research claimed that human beings do not have instincts
I would define instinct as something automatic that is not learned or acquired but is natural or hard wired
There are instincts one has from birth that one was born with because it was necessary to just know them
The instinct to eat when one is hungry / the instinct to drink when one is thirsty
The instinct to be warm when one is cold / the instinct to sleep when one is tired
These instincts cannot be ignored because the inevitable consequence of that would be death
Food and water and heat and sleep can only be denied for so long and this is probably while they are instincts
Because having to learn them would take time and from an evolutionary perspective that could be rather fatal
And as it is evolution then it is not exclusive to humans but is probably universal across the entire animal kingdom
think wrote:
Would not you say though that the fact that an individual human can willfully fast unto death is evidence that eating and / or drinking are not instincts
They are strong needs but that behavior is not instinctual as is the hive building activity of the worker bee
surreptitious75 wrote:think wrote:
Would not you say though that the fact that an individual human can willfully fast unto death is evidence that eating and / or drinking are not instincts
They are strong needs but that behavior is not instinctual as is the hive building activity of the worker bee
Fasting to the actual point of death ... although it is possible ... is not something that can be undertaken easily
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