The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

[The Eternal Warrior]

Certainly we make meaning for ourselves in life but concerning objective meaning or purpose I still stand by that the universe is so very unstable, chaotic, and constantly changing that to postulate one is nonsensical.

It is only your perception that the universe is unstable and chaotic. There is an order there; those traveling their own life through chaos perceive their own order and the order of chaos are all the paths looking chaotic when viewed as a whole instead of perceiving the order that is there. The stability isn't what it should be, for all of the fighting, all of the misperceptions, etcetera; but it is still far from being wholly unstable.

[James S Saint]

Of course my answer to the "Purpose of Life" question is the same as always:
MIJOT, Maximum Integral of Joy Over Time.

Provided by the Anentropic Life: Wisely enjoy the pursuit of life's continuance and the joy never ends.

[The Eternal Warrior]

Of course my answer to the "Purpose of Life" question is the same as always:
MIJOT, Maximum Integral of Joy Over Time.

Provided by the Anentropic Life: Wisely enjoy the pursuit of life's continuance and the joy never ends.

What if life's continuance becomes unwise? At what point of pursuing continuance and avoiding the end of your own life do you continue in faulty manners and processes?

[James S Saint]

Of course my answer to the "Purpose of Life" question is the same as always:
MIJOT, Maximum Integral of Joy Over Time.

Provided by the Anentropic Life: Wisely enjoy the pursuit of life's continuance and the joy never ends.

What if life's continuance becomes unwise?

Wisdom is defined by the highest purpose. Thus there is never a point where the highest purpose is not wise.

At what point of pursuing continuance and avoiding the end of your own life do you continue in faulty manners and processes?

At the point of foolishness. Thus enjoy the pursuit of wisdom.

[The Eternal Warrior]

The highest purpose is not the only purpose that exists, therefore it is not always wise.

Some times the pursuit of foolishness is the pursuit of wisdom. Not often, but some times. And not all of life is enjoyable, much of wisdom is unenjoyable much like how much of anything you learn is unenjoyable until you learn how to apply what you learn in a way that makes it worth learning.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Certainly we make meaning for ourselves in life but concerning objective meaning or purpose I still stand by that the universe is so very unstable, chaotic, and constantly changing that to postulate one is nonsensical.

It is only your perception that the universe is unstable and chaotic. There is an order there; those traveling their own life through chaos perceive their own order and the order of chaos are all the paths looking chaotic when viewed as a whole instead of perceiving the order that is there. The stability isn't what it should be, for all of the fighting, all of the misperceptions, etcetera; but it is still far from being wholly unstable.

There is order yes but it is constantly shifting, changing, evolving, and mutating that it rightfully can be called chaotic or unstable.

Chaos and order are not mutually exclusive from each other.

There is no singular monolithic objective form of order in existence.

[The Eternal Warrior]

There is order yes but it is constantly shifting, changing, and mutating that it rightfully can be called chaotic or unstable.

Chaos and order are not mutually exclusive.

At the point of understanding that it constantly shifts, changes and mutates, you have undermined what you know of chaos and understood the pattern and cycle and order of it. you're right about the second part, but that is just another paradox that doesn't destroy reality like people perceive paradoxes to do.

There is no singular monolithic objective form of order in existence.

You're right, but there should be for consistencies sake. It's like how our systems work in America with everyone having a different policy; a different way of doing things that contrasts and conflicts with each other instead of getting on the same page and reinforcing each other constructively. What we have is an improper and unwanted compromise instead of what we'd rather have and would like more.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

There is order yes but it is constantly shifting, changing, and mutating that it rightfully can be called chaotic or unstable.

Chaos and order are not mutually exclusive.

At the point of understanding that it constantly shifts, changes and mutates, you have undermined what you know of chaos and understood the pattern and cycle and order of it. you're right about the second part, but that is just another paradox that doesn't destroy reality like people perceive paradoxes to do.

The pattern and cycles are never the same or singular hence instability.

[The Eternal Warrior]

Yes but once you understand the patterns of patterns and cycles and the cycles of cycles and patterns, you find stability again and can understand every pattern and cycle and how it breaks down; how to take it apart and put it back together again.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Yes but once you understand the patterns of patterns and cycles and the cycles of cycles and patterns, you find stability again and can understand every pattern and cycle and how it breaks down; how to take it apart and put it back together again.

Not when you throw in randomness. Contrary to what you're saying not every outcome of everything can be predicted, calculated, categorized, and so on because of randomness.

[James S Saint]

The highest purpose is not the only purpose that exists, therefore it is not always wise.

The highest is the one that determines all others, else it isn't the highest.

Some times the pursuit of foolishness is the pursuit of wisdom.

And some times black is white.


... or is it?

[James S Saint]

Yes but once you understand the patterns of patterns and cycles and the cycles of cycles and patterns, you find stability again and can understand every pattern and cycle and how it breaks down; how to take it apart and put it back together again.

Not when you throw in randomness. Contrary to what you're saying not every outcome of everything can be predicted, calculated, categorized, and so on because of randomness.

Yet all you need is to understand and attend to which is when.

Order stems from the understanding of chaos. Affectance Ontology is all about that very thing - the order within the chaos, "the firmament within the clouds" - understanding the noise.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Yes but once you understand the patterns of patterns and cycles and the cycles of cycles and patterns, you find stability again and can understand every pattern and cycle and how it breaks down; how to take it apart and put it back together again.

Not when you throw in randomness. Contrary to what you're saying not every outcome of everything can be predicted, calculated, categorized, and so on because of randomness.

Yet all you need is to understand and attend to which is when.

Order stems from the understanding of chaos. Affectance Ontology is all about that very thing - the order within the chaos, "the firmament within the clouds" - understanding the noise.

Yes, but order of any kind is not monolithic hence constantly unstable.

Since it is always shifting, changing, and mutating taking snap shots here or there for study isn't very helpful.

[James S Saint]

Yet all you need is to understand and attend to which is when.

Order stems from the understanding of chaos. Affectance Ontology is all about that very thing - the order within the chaos, "the firmament within the clouds" - understanding the noise.

Yes, but order of any kind is not monolithic hence constantly unstable.

The order of the chaos is very, very, very stable, "anentropic". Such is what makes up the subatomic particles of which all matter is made. And even when the matter is destroyed, the particles merely move on.

It isn't that a subatomic particle can't be destroyed. It is that from pure enough chaos, extremely long term order rises. Higher complex orders are less pure and thus are destroyed more quickly .. until they become intelligent. With proper intelligence, the proper degree of chaos is maintained to ensure the proper degree of order is inherent (not merely arranged).

The order that is dictated by the inherent flow of the chaos is the order that cannot perish (SAM, I am).

Since it is always shifting, changing, and mutating taking snap shots here or there for study isn't very helpful.

There is that which can never change. The behavior of chaos is one of those things.

The clever encourage decay so as to fertilize their field from which they harvest their gold - the transmutation of the unwise into golden stability for others.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

It is that from pure enough chaos, extremely long term order rises. Higher complex orders are less pure and thus are destroyed more quickly .. until they become intelligent. With proper intelligence, the proper degree of chaos is maintained to ensure the proper degree of order is inherent (not merely arranged).

Describe long term order and proper intelligence.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Manifestations of stability are temporal and on a long enough timeline fall back into instability.

Behind every aspect of so called stability entropy is always foreshadowing and of course stability often enough requires instability for the stability of a few is garnished by the instability of the many.

[James S Saint]

Describe long term order and proper intelligence.

The opposite of this:

Manifestations of stability are temporal and on a long enough timeline fall back into instability.

Behind every aspect of so called stability entropy is always foreshadowing and of course stability often enough requires instability for the stability of a few is garnished by the instability of the many.

And for this reason:

The clever encourage decay so as to fertilize their field from which they harvest their gold - the transmutation of the unwise into golden stability for others.

Considering the number of things that people say that you don't believe, why do you believe their teaching of your doom?

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Describe long term order and proper intelligence.

The opposite of this:

Manifestations of stability are temporal and on a long enough timeline fall back into instability.

Behind every aspect of so called stability entropy is always foreshadowing and of course stability often enough requires instability for the stability of a few is garnished by the instability of the many.

And for this reason:

The clever encourage decay so as to fertilize their field from which they harvest their gold - the transmutation of the unwise into golden stability for others.

Considering the number of things that people say that you don't believe, why do you believe their teaching of your doom?

I am going to need you to be a bit more specific before I can respond.

[The Eternal Warrior]

Yes but once you understand the patterns of patterns and cycles and the cycles of cycles and patterns, you find stability again and can understand every pattern and cycle and how it breaks down; how to take it apart and put it back together again.

Not when you throw in randomness. Contrary to what you're saying not every outcome of everything can be predicted, calculated, categorized, and so on because of randomness.

Randomness still contains patterns. All it is is random. Once you get to know that patterns can be broken down and know how to do it, what does random matter? Once you know the nature of cycles, you can ascertain what cycles are in play and no matter how swiftly or slowly it changes, can become acclimatized to it. All random does is force you to stop thinking, to be in the moment and focus on that and put what you know into play, be a reactionary agent. You move beyond focus at a certain point, let go of self and just act instinctively and within the rhythm. And still, some of it does allow you time to think and that is still a part of the random at times.

It's not contradictory to what I'm saying. Not everything can be predicted, calculated or categorized and it is on random. That ties in exactly to what I'm saying. Eventually, even in random, all patterns and cycles can become known even if you don't know what order they'll come in and even 'patternless' becomes a pattern you can figure out and it might throw you off at such a point if it ceases to be random and returns to actual patterns again. Might not.

[The Eternal Warrior]

There is nothing that you can throw in that I haven't already known, studied in-depth and picked apart in my mind from countless different points and perceptions. I'm really good at it. So much so, that I've pissed a lot of things off in existence that pride themselves on creating the most epic rubix cube configurations out of it. Which is funny, because I suck at rubix cubes.

[James S Saint]

There is nothing that you can throw in that I haven't already known, studied in-depth and picked apart in my mind from countless different points and perceptions.

Not true.

[The Eternal Warrior]

There is nothing that you can throw in that I haven't already known, studied in-depth and picked apart in my mind from countless different points and perceptions.

Not true.

then throw it in and try to prove me wrong. At the worst, you do prove me wrong and give me something new to learn.

[The Eternal Warrior]

[The Eternal Warrior]

[Amorphos]

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life/the world doesn't make sense in that there is no thing making it make sense. Yet as I see it that makes more sense than if there was something making it make sense.

To use a metaphor; if you woke up every morning to see God or some such thing in the sky, after a while you'd be thinking something like 'cant you fuck off God'?!