by Peter Kropotkin » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:51 pm
Peter Kropotkin:
philosophy is considered "method", a technique one uses to
discover the "truth".. whatever that "truth" might be.....
and part of the tools of the philosophical method is logic,
rationality, reason, falsifiability, demarcation, Verificationism,
among other techniques to ascertain what is the "truth".....
the rejection/attack upon on one such period where these tools/ methods
were used was the rejection/attack upon the Enlightenment period....
so we know that the motto of the enlightenment was "Sapere aude"
dare to know... so how do we go about "knowing" these things?
why philosophy and its tools were one way, science and its methods
were another way, religion and its methods were another such way to
gain such knowledge/truths.....
but notice that the focus of these three possibilities are different,
science wants to know the how, how does something word,
religion is the way god makes things work,
and in philosophy, we work with the why things work without any reference
to the metaphysical, beyond the physical.....
so we return to the philosophical......
so within philosophical world, we have schools.....
existentialism, continental philosophy, analytical philosophy,
Marxism, Logical positivism, hedonism, as examples of methods of
an attempts to reach the truth................
apologies, I had to take some phone calls from various sisters and a brother...
so, we have the philosophical, which has been around for over
2,500 years and what exactly has been accomplished?
Not much, we are still engaged in the same problems that the ancient Greeks
were engaged with..."what is justice?" "what is the good?"
"what is the difference between right and wrong?"
there is a reason that ethical problems still exists...
that still, after, 2,500 years, we still don't understand ethics
and what it means to be ethical....we still don't have a grasp on right or wrong.....
I am reading "Wittgenstein's Vienna" in which is the interesting thought
that Wittgenstein thought wasn't about language games that we think of
today, but that W. was actually about what is ethical and moral....
he was an ethical writer.... morals... he, W. thought the most important
writer of the 19th century was Kierkegaard... and much of W. thought
was engaged with K....
perhaps part of the problem we have with the "ethical" is the fact that
we cannot use our various tools like logic and rationality on ethics.....
Justice which is another way of saying "ethical" is to be flexible
and not fixed.... for when justice is applied as an absolute...
if you commit X crime, you must be punished by X punishment....
regardless of the situation or circumstances of your actions... is when justice
becomes unjust... when justice is applied without any consideration of
the situation or circumstances, it becomes tyranny or injustice...
but that leaves us with a second question...is the ethical also about
the legal..... in other words, is the law ethical? Is the law about right or
wrong or is the law simply about seeking punishment?
I think I know the answer but what if your answer is different?
the law has become more about what will make the DA able to
be able to run for office, better conviction rates as oppose to the
actual act of justice.
justice has become political as oppose to seeking the truth..
is the law about it engagement with its fixation on obeying the law or
is it about the principles behind the law?
are questions about the ethical different then questions about the law/justice?
we have seen right wingers like UR and observe whine about specific acts done
by the left, conspiracies about stealing elections....but it is quite clear that
neither one has spent a quarter of a second thinking about what is justice and
what is eithical......what is right and wrong? they have never explored nor do
they ever intend to explore this question of what is justice and what is the relationship
between justice and the law..........they have their habits and prejudices and biases
and superstitions from which they base their ideas of justice or right or wrong....
perhaps therein lies the problem, people think about justice and right and wrong
based on their own biases and prejudices/indoctrinations instead of thinking about
what is just and what is right based upon some philosophical or scientific thinking....
note, that I did not say the religious, because the religious is based upon
bias, superstitions, prejudice and indoctrinations, not on tools like
logic or reason or rationality...
what is justice and right/wrong is different based upon whether the method/tool
used is religion or if the tool is the law or if the tool/method is philosophical...
depending on where you start, you could wind up with three vastly different
understanding of justice/right or wrong depending upon whether one uses
the law, religion or the philosophical....
so one of the questions of method depends upon where one starts, if one starts
with the philosophical or if one starts with the law or if one starts with
the religious....justice can look vastly different for the exact same event....
for example, we see an event, an example of a broken law or an unjust act,
and depending upon if we use the scientific method, the philosophical method
or the religious method or the legal method/tool, will change the nature of
whither an event is just or right/wrong......
if we use science, then an action may be fixed because we as human beings
are fixed.... we are set by our evolution to act in a certain way and we
cannot, cannot change our response... so, we do allow the defense of
insanity to explain our legal actions... I was driven insane by seeing my wife
with another man and so I killed them both... and the killer has a reasonable
chance of escaping punishment via this defense... human is driven by
jealousy and that jealousy comes from our evolutionary history... and one
cannot fight evolutionary history...
but from a religious background, one cannot find any such recourse as an
insanity plea..... thou shall not kill..... there aren't any such escapes in
that commandment....thou shall not kill....unless is provoked by
another man being with your wife... then hay, its all good......
so if we were to judge people based on religious commandments, the
rules, the ethical/ right and wrong, would be pretty clear.... what is right
is what god commands and what is wrong is what god says is wrong......
the religious ethical is different then the legal or scientific or the philosophical
ethical.....
but how do we understand right and wrong philosophically?
that was the entire point of Nietzsche.... how does on justify
morality/ethics when there is no religious intent.. no belief in god.....
let us think about this some more.....
Kropotkin
PK IS EVIL.....