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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:23 pm

a point that has been weighing on my mind......

someone, don't recall who, but someone commented upon
how I use psychological in philosophy....a "psychological philosopher"
and frankly, I am ok with that, but it got me to thinking and I
have been mulling it over for a while now.....

I never really thought about myself that way... I didn't
think I used psychology in philosophy...but looking back on my
writings, and I do.... It has been a lesson learned.....

so, I have been trying to make sense of my "psychological"
philosophy....I did a long study of psychology in my youth....
and clearly I picked up more then I thought I did.......

as I believe that we cannot separate out philosophy from history
or economics or biology or even psychology.....when we are using one,
we are going to use other disciplines along with it.....
because I see no separation between them.....

and as we better understand what it means to be human,
we will see the separations between the disciplines disappear....

psychology is just another aspect of being human.....

and to attempt to understand what it means to be human without
psychology will fail and is doomed to failure because we are as much
psychological beings as we are physical beings...

to be a liberal is a much a psychological factor as anything physical......

"I hold these truths to be self evident that......." is to hold a psychological belief
as well as a holding a political belief....

what we hold to be "truths" are not much more then a psychological
understanding of the world.....

it is interesting that it wasn't until the 20th century, that we tackled
both the conscious mind as well as the unconscious mind....
in Husserl, the conscience mind, as well as Freud in the "unconscious mind"
and these two were contemporaries....so it wasn't about how we "acted"
or what we held "belief" in, but how we thought and what forces went
into our conscious and unconscious mind........Freud thought that sex
dominated our unconscious mind and sex does play a role to be sure,
but it isn't the only force that operates within the unconscious mind...
some of the unconscious forces that help "guide" us is found within
the baubles of existence.... the drive for money, power, titles, fame.....
they also influence our unconscious mind

some, perhaps much of what drives us psychological is found within
the attempts to meet our physical needs, seeking food, water, shelter,
education, health care... meeting these physical needs can, can result
from not having these physical needs meet, which can result in
psychological drives that move us.....being deprived of our psychological
needs as well as our physical needs can drive the unconscious mind.......

the problem lies in the fact that everyone is psychological different,
as well as being physical different...and some needs were met as a child
and some, perhaps many needs weren't met.. and this results in
people being driven by different physical and psychological needs...

in my philosophy I try to account for our differences psychologically
and I don't always succeed.... but at least I am aware of it and that
makes me a better philosopher then most....

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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Berkley Babes » Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:38 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:a point that has been weighing on my mind......

someone, don't recall who, but someone commented upon
how I use psychological in philosophy....a "psychological philosopher"
and frankly, I am ok with that, but it got me to thinking and I
have been mulling it over for a while now.....

I never really thought about myself that way... I didn't
think I used psychology in philosophy...but looking back on my
writings, and I do.... It has been a lesson learned.....

so, I have been trying to make sense of my "psychological"
philosophy....I did a long study of psychology in my youth....
and clearly I picked up more then I thought I did.......

as I believe that we cannot separate out philosophy from history
or economics or biology or even psychology.....when we are using one,
we are going to use other disciplines along with it.....
because I see no separation between them.....

and as we better understand what it means to be human,
we will see the separations between the disciplines disappear....

psychology is just another aspect of being human.....

and to attempt to understand what it means to be human without
psychology will fail and is doomed to failure because we are as much
psychological beings as we are physical beings...

to be a liberal is a much a psychological factor as anything physical......

"I hold these truths to be self evident that......." is to hold a psychological belief
as well as a holding a political belief....

what we hold to be "truths" are not much more then a psychological
understanding of the world.....

it is interesting that it wasn't until the 20th century, that we tackled
both the conscious mind as well as the unconscious mind....
in Husserl, the conscience mind, as well as Freud in the "unconscious mind"
and these two were contemporaries....so it wasn't about how we "acted"
or what we held "belief" in, but how we thought and what forces went
into our conscious and unconscious mind........Freud thought that sex
dominated our unconscious mind and sex does play a role to be sure,
but it isn't the only force that operates within the unconscious mind...
some of the unconscious forces that help "guide" us is found within
the baubles of existence.... the drive for money, power, titles, fame.....
they also influence our unconscious mind

some, perhaps much of what drives us psychological is found within
the attempts to meet our physical needs, seeking food, water, shelter,
education, health care... meeting these physical needs can, can result
from not having these physical needs meet, which can result in
psychological drives that move us.....being deprived of our psychological
needs as well as our physical needs can drive the unconscious mind.......

the problem lies in the fact that everyone is psychological different,
as well as being physical different...and some needs were met as a child
and some, perhaps many needs weren't met.. and this results in
people being driven by different physical and psychological needs...

in my philosophy I try to account for our differences psychologically
and I don't always succeed.... but at least I am aware of it and that
makes me a better philosopher then most....

Kropotkin


Maybe the unconscious mind suffered amnesia upon the physical birth in this life. Maybe it still holds traces of what was before, perhaps permanence and perfection. Maybe all those psychological wants and needs that come up to the surface are representative of memories of that previous experience. In this changing imperfect world we all want immortality. Maybe we knew of it before. I don't know for sure though.
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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:44 pm

Berkley Babes:

Maybe the unconscious mind suffered amnesia upon the physical birth in this life. Maybe it still holds traces of what was before, perhaps permanence and perfection. Maybe all those psychological wants and needs that come up to the surface are representative of memories of that previous experience. In this changing imperfect world we all want immortality. Maybe we knew of it before. I don't know for sure though.[/quote]


K: at least you are being honest in admitting that you "don't know for sure"....

I can't speak to the rest of the post because I, for one, have no desire of any kind
for "immortality" and I see "immortality" as being one serious curse...
I would actively avoid any chance to "immortality"...because I see
"immortality" as being the worst fate ever given to anyone....

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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Berkley Babes » Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:47 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:Berkley Babes:

Maybe the unconscious mind suffered amnesia upon the physical birth in this life. Maybe it still holds traces of what was before, perhaps permanence and perfection. Maybe all those psychological wants and needs that come up to the surface are representative of memories of that previous experience. In this changing imperfect world we all want immortality. Maybe we knew of it before. I don't know for sure though.



K: at least you are being honest in admitting that you "don't know for sure"....

I can't speak to the rest of the post because I, for one, have no desire of any kind
for "immortality" and I see "immortality" as being one serious curse...
I would actively avoid any chance to "immortality"...because I see
"immortality" as being the worst fate ever given to anyone....

Kropotkin[/quote]

I don't mean cyberpunk immortality. But to live forever in the hearts and minds of your future ancestors, or just you know, a little thing called Heaven.
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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:04 pm

Berkley Babes:

Maybe the unconscious mind suffered amnesia upon the physical birth in this life. Maybe it still holds traces of what was before, perhaps permanence and perfection. Maybe all those psychological wants and needs that come up to the surface are representative of memories of that previous experience. In this changing imperfect world we all want immortality. Maybe we knew of it before. I don't know for sure though.[/quote]


K: at least you are being honest in admitting that you "don't know for sure"....
I can't speak to the rest of the post because I, for one, have no desire of any kind
for "immortality" and I see "immortality" as being one serious curse...
I would actively avoid any chance to "immortality"...because I see
"immortality" as being the worst fate ever given to anyone...."


BB: I don't mean cyberpunk immortality. But to live forever in the hearts and minds of your future ancestors, or just you know, a little thing called Heaven.[/quote]

K: for me to seek out "immortality" either in Heaven or within the "hearts and minds"
of the future generations is to be involved in ego.... it is ego that wants to
be remembered for ever... or to spend forever in 'heaven"..... I want to remove ego
from people as I believe that people seek stuff based on ego and not on
what is really important.........we believe far too much in ego and not enough
in seeking what is true....

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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Berkley Babes » Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:17 pm

removing the ego . . . I can't blame you for that type of ambition.
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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:48 pm

Berkley Babes wrote:removing the ego . . . I can't blame you for that type of ambition.



K: no, a thousand times... no, I don't want to remove the ego.... I want to make
people aware of how much they do and act and believe that is based upon one's
ego...I hold that the single most damaging thing a person can do is hold beliefs
based upon ego.. and then acting upon those beliefs...... I know because I have
done that...I want to limit ego, make people aware of ego...don't act or think
or believe based upon ego.....ask yourself, am I holding these beliefs
or engaging in this action based upon ego? or is this belief really something
I believe in or is this action really something that is based upon what I hold to be
true, not just ego......

become aware of one's ego... and how it influences everything we do....

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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Berkley Babes » Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:53 pm

Sounds noble enough.

I want to stop wanting, which just another want.
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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:06 pm

Berkley Babes wrote:Sounds noble enough.

I want to stop wanting, which just another want.



K: wanting itself is, for most people just ego at work...

what is it you want and why? why have that thing?

I have said it before, I want to be known as one of the 5 greatest
philosophers in the history of philosophy....and that is ego, make no
mistake, but how I go about it isn't ego.... to want isn't as bad as not
knowing why you want..... I want to be known as a great philosopher
because I believe I am on the right path of philosophy.....it is the path
that I am on that dictates if I am a great philosopher, not being the great
philosopher that is dictating the path...

and I could, could be seriously wrong... it wouldn't be the first time
and it won't be the last time...

but I would like to have my philosophy dictate my actions....

connect my philosophy with my way of life.....

to have them be one and the same........ I want to use philosophy
as a way of life, not as a means to impress or to build up my ego....

but as an genuine example of the marriage between philosophy
and how I am to live....... philosophy dictates my life, not ego and not
convenience and not, oh wow, his is an "Philosopher"... look at him....

I look to Spinoza as my guide.... how did he live his life?

that is the example I am seeking.....

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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Berkley Babes » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:22 pm

I don't know how Spinoza lived his life. My guess is he wanted to get laid more. But good luck if he is your guide. I like his metaphysical views. And I want to get laid more.
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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:00 pm

Berkley Babes wrote:I don't know how Spinoza lived his life. My guess is he wanted to get laid more. But good luck if he is your guide. I like his metaphysical views. And I want to get laid more.


K: getting laid more is a young man's game... and really not worth the trouble....
but why? why do you want to get laid? I say it is simple hormones that drive you,
not rational thought..... remove the hormones and ask yourself, why do I want to get
laid? ego? to uphold some self image I have of myself? or to make some connection
to another human being? I am old but not old enough to have forgotten what it means
to be driven by hormones...... being driven by a million years of evolution....
so rise above those animal instincts and become human by asking yourself, why?

why is sex that important?

and wonder what your answer means....


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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Berkley Babes » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:09 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Berkley Babes wrote:I don't know how Spinoza lived his life. My guess is he wanted to get laid more. But good luck if he is your guide. I like his metaphysical views. And I want to get laid more.


K: getting laid more is a young man's game... and really not worth the trouble....
but why? why do you want to get laid? I say it is simple hormones that drive you,
not rational thought..... remove the hormones and ask yourself, why do I want to get
laid? ego? to uphold some self image I have of myself? or to make some connection
to another human being? I am old but not old enough to have forgotten what it means
to be driven by hormones...... being driven by a million years of evolution....
so rise above those animal instincts and become human by asking yourself, why?

why is sex that important?

and wonder what your answer means....



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I will get old before I can answer other than a generic reply of keeping the human race going because we simply MUST go on, outpace and outrace the sun. In other words, I will get old soon and it won't be that important.
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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:47 am

we seek that which is the unifier of us,
we seek that which is the center of us all,
people often talk about becoming whole,
to achieve any of this, we have to understand
what it means to be human...

the center of the human experience is our attempts to
meet our physical needs...we must as biological beings,
feed ourselves, clothes ourselves, find shelter, drink clean water,
educated ourselves and find health care... these are the bottom line
needs of every single human being who has lived and who is alive today
and will be alive...this is the bottom line for every single human being.....

meeting our basic, physical needs...

and how do we accomplish this? we cannot by ourselves achieve our
basic needs of food, water, shelter, education, health care... we simple
cannot no matter how efficient we might be, we, by ourselves cannot
met our basic physical needs..... so, we take the next step and create
a society, a state, a culture that helps us to meet our basic physical needs....

so, with the aid of society/state, we can begin to meet our basic
physical need of food, water, shelter, education, health care...etc, etc.....

but we are not just physical beings, we are, by our evolution rise,
social beings....we have needs of the soul, mind, psychological...
needs that also must be meet by society/state....the human need for
companionship, for love, for security and safety, the human need for
belonging and the need for being esteemed by our fellow human beings....

our million years of past evolution demands that we must fulfill our
emotional and psychological needs and they can only be meet by
a society/state....just as our physical needs can only be met by a
society/state...this side of human existence is just as strong
and needed as the physical side of existence....

our human need for love is just as strong in a human beings as the need
for food and water and shelter and education and health care.....

but look at those who have accomplished the great things in human
history....Goethe, Jesus, Gandhi, MLK, Shakespeare, they weren't
existing on the basic bottom level of human existence.....they
were physically taken care of... they weren't worried about meeting
their basic physical needs....

and they weren't worried about meeting their psychological needs of
love, esteem, safety/security, belonging...their society/state was
accomplished enough to allow the great human beings to met their
physical and emotional needs.

and what do we learn from this?

that if we meet the basic human needs of the lower level,
food, water, shelter, education, health care AND we meet
the level of emotional need that all human beings have,
then we can have, create enough, meet enough needs to
allow people the possibility of achieving their own greatness....

think of the great human beings who achieved their greatness because
they were able to meet their basic physical needs.. they didn't need to
worry about the basic needs of existence... think of Newton, Einstein,
Descartes, Socrates, Freud.... because their physical and emotional
needs were met, they were free to accomplish great things...

so what does all of this tell us?

that the goal of society/state is to meet the basic physical and emotional
needs of individuals and the society/state gets rewarded by the great
deeds of these individuals.....the world is far better off with the
greatness of such writers as Goethe and Shakespeare and
the world is better off with the scientist like Newton
and Einstein....and the world is better off with the political
and social work of a Gandhi and a MLK....

and what was the cost to the society/state for all of these benefits?

very little...

and so we need to look at this differently.....

instead of saying, people need to contribute to the society/state....

we must say, the state and society must contribute to the individual
and that the reward from the individual back to society/state is
possible greatness.....will all people be able to contribute greatness?

I don't know... we force people to earn their living and in doing so,
we don't give them a chance to seek the higher levels of existence,
by making everyone work for a living, we deprive people the possibility
of greatness..... if we gave everyone the means of existence, food, water,
shelter, education, health care, then we can also provide the means, the
way to generate mental and psychological help to people.... the need for
love and the feeling of esteem and safety/security and belonging is just
as great/strong as the need for food and water in people....

this argument I make means that we must not engage in our current
political and economic system in which we must spend our lives feeding
an overbloated and dangerous political and economic system which denies
us the basic necessities in the name of "freedom"...

the political and economic systems of today don't even give us the basic necessities
if it did, we wouldn't have to spend the vast majority of our lives working ourselves to death....

if we gave people the basic necessities of life, food, water, shelter, education,
health care, then in return we get people who can create art, science, sports,
education needs.... we get a far more in return by society and the state,
meeting people needs then we can ever get by making the citizens of that
society work and slave for decades with nothing to show for it........

the solution must meet our critical needs of meeting our physical needs....

and so, we come to the solution...... we must give people the economic
means to feed and clothe and get shelter and education and health care
by limiting how much money any one person or corporation has.....

we cannot allow people like Bezos and Gates to hold billions upon billions
of dollars if people are not meeting their physical needs...

my contribution to society needn't destroy my body and negate who I am....

I can contribute to society better and everyone can contribute better if
our basic physical needs are met....without us spending our lives in
"bitter bondage" to the corporations....

in other words, we no longer spend our lives seeking the baubles of
existence... we no longer seek wealth or fame or titles or power.....

we spend our lives in pursuit of knowledge or wisdom or writing
or perhaps we find new ways to explore who we are and our possibilities....

if you want to create new Gandhi's or MLK or Goethe or a new Shakespeare,
you must begin by creating a new society that meets the basic/physical needs of
the individuals within that society/state.....

greatness can only be found/discovered by first having our basic physical
needs met and then having our emotional/psychological needs met....

and that is why we must begin the transformation of society to be about
meeting people needs and less about big business and corporations and
individuals making money....

you cannot reach greatness if you spend your days and nights, just
trying to make ends meet....only by meeting people's needs can
we create a society that allows us to find and discover our possibilities....

those who shout about, who is going to grow the food, lack enough imagination
to see the benefits of this new way of thinking about our society/state......

we can achieve our basic needs without resorting to life long bondage to
corporations.....

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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:01 pm

some might say, but Kropotkin, you are seeking some
sort of utopia....no, not all.....

I am seeking a means within the society/state to reimagine what
it means to be human.. by leveling the playing field to get everyone
the basic physical needs that all people must have, we can create the
possibilities that people can try to achieve in their lives.....

the goal is no longer to be rich, but to achieve what is possible within ourselves...

to rethink what it means to be human..... to no longer exists as an animal....
seeking our day to day physical needs to the point of physical, mental,
and emotional exhaustion that we see in millions of our fellow human beings...
by working day and night to achieve the basic necessities of existence
eating, water, shelter, education, health care........

why can't the state aid in or help people in achieving the basic and fundamental
aspect of being human, which is trying to meet our bottom line, basic needs
of being human.....food, water, shelter, health care and education, to name a few
basic needs of all human beings......

why must we forsake the individuals in our society/state to
allow a few people to own massive amounts of wealth in this country/world?

it makes no sense and it doesn't benefit the society or state........

and most importantly, it doesn't give the people a chance to seek out
their own possibilities, their own greatness....... it forces people to
exists within a very set and determined fashion of existence....
you must work for your necessities or starve.... are we animals or
are we human?

what is the goal or point of being within a society/state that will
allow such starvation because you didn't work hard enough to "earn
your keep".......

we must change what it means to be human to see that we can, as
a society/state be rewarded by people reaching their possibilities
and their own greatness.......

and the cost is a small cost.....

to achieve such great rewards....

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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby derleydoo » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:09 pm

I, and 99.999% of the world's population agree with all you have said in the last couple of posts. Tragically, .001% appear to be opposed to such a world. It so happens that they run the show - what is to be done?

Shouldn't you be asleep?
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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Berkley Babes » Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:22 pm

I agree PK, on the basic needs. Great posts.
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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:49 pm

derleydoo wrote:I, and 99.999% of the world's population agree with all you have said in the last couple of posts. Tragically, .001% appear to be opposed to such a world. It so happens that they run the show - what is to be done?

Shouldn't you be asleep?


K: Yes, I woke up around 2:00 Am and worked on said posts until 3:30 or so, even though
I have to work today at 8:00 am.. and in regards to my post, I am not trying to
change the world per se, I am trying to change people's attitude or understanding
of the world and they help instigate change.. it is not a top down change,
but a bottom up change that I am looking at...

but change is needed... if we are going to survive as a species..
but more on that in a day or so, as I must go to work....

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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:50 pm

I read something that struck a thought in me......

(about beliefs)

"This is one of the things they had "been unconsciously waiting for someone who could
assert them with Authority"... It provided an alibi for them too"

that is what the village idiot offers the "Deplorables" the illiterate masses who
think IQ45 can walk on water...he offers them "beliefs" they hold but have
been waiting for someone who could assert them with authority...

thus the followers of IQ45 hold to hate and bigotry and anger and intolerance
and IQ45 asserts those beliefs with authority and thus they follow him.....

think about it... has one follower of IQ45 here express any thoughts as to
beauty or art or love or hope or anything of a higher nature....nope...
no, they don't..... they respond to the lower, nasty violent beliefs
of the lower, animal that is IQ45 and his followers....

can you separate yourself from your beliefs enough to
see the nature of your beliefs? can you look at your beliefs with
an dispassionate and impartial vantage point? can you be objective
with your beliefs?..... few here can and I believe that IAM is one of the
few and that is also why I hold him in high regard.....

to engage with philosophy... one must have courage to face who they are
and what it is they really are... and very few here have any kind of courage
at all..... that is why so few here engage in a honest look at who they are...
and certainly the "kids" don't engage into such an in depth look at their soul......

to do so is very frightening... and these kids now days are so afraid of,
well everything.....including their own shadows....

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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:13 pm

as I work toward an understanding of what is/makes us human...
I reach this thought...

we are both actual and possible... what that means is our beliefs, actions,
hopes, dreams are both actual, which means right now, right here...
and possible which means it lies in the future within our possibilities....

so let us follow this through to better understand this....

at birth, I am both actual and possible....
I can breath and move and have a heartbeat and hear...
but my actual self is very, very limited... there is very little
I can actually do.... I cannot walk or talk or even think at birth...
I can experience, but I can't make any sense of that experience
because I need experience to understand experience....

but I am also possible... my entire future at the moment of birth is
really all about what is possible...I can be or do anything that any
other human has said or done.... it is possible that I can become
anything I want at birth.... all possibilities are available to me at birth...
but very little is actual at birth... I simple can't do much at birth....

at age 10, the actual has increased dramatically... I can think, and run
and walk and do math and jump on the bed and all kinds of actual things
I can do at the age of ten....

the possible is still very possible... I might be able to run a 4 minute mile
or climb Everest or learn German or become president of the U.S....
at ten, almost anything is still possible... but some stuff isn't possible
for example, I was born with a hearing loss... at birth, even then,
some stuff wasn't possible and it still isn't possible at age ten...
I couldn't be an astronaut at birth nor at age ten..it just wasn't
physically possible... we have certain limitations of the physical
and of the emotional, psychological....

for example at birth or during childhood, we might be abuse..
thus causes damage to us... this damage might or might not
allow us to be able to achieve what is possible for us.....
some times people are able to overcome the damage caused
to them by parents, society, religion, education...
and sometimes not..... depends on the person....

but that damage may prevent us from achieving what is possible for us....
emotional and psychological damage might prevent us from achieving
the possible...and thus we are limited....

so in some people, there is this conflict between what is actual
and what is possible, even at a young age...

at age 20, what is possible comes into clear view...for example, I ran cross-country
and track in high school.... it was still possible for me to run a 4 minute mile,
but not likely... as my best mile time wasn't really that close to a 4 minute mile..
so maybe, unlikely, but maybe I could work 24/7 and try to run a 4 minute mile....

the actual was I ran around a 4:50 mile... and it isn't likely to become that
drastically better to be able to run a 4 minute mile... so the actual
and the possible are pretty clear here....

and my hearing loss still denied plenty of the actual and the possible....

I couldn't have gone into the armed forces or become a police officer or
even a telephone operator....my possibilities were limited because
of the actual....

so at age 20 the difference between the actual and the possible were
still pretty great... but experience allowed me to see that some possibilities
were going to be limited.... I am not very good at math, at all... a family thing....
so my choices/ possibilities were not in the area of math... I still can't add,
subtract, divide or multiply to save my life...and that actual, has determined
my possibilities...

at age 30.. the actual really begins to determine the possibilities....

I no longer have the possibility to run a 4 minute mile.. my actual prevents
this and this actual is called entropy... the body decays slowly over the years,
that decay to limit the possibilities and the actual....I physically can no
longer run a 4 minute mile... the actual limits the possibilities .....

at different ages, the actual changes and the possibilities change

at my current age, 61... my actual has dramatically change along with
my possibilities ....I can no longer really run...my body is too damaged
to allow any type of long distance running...my actual prevents me
from achieving any type of possibilities... but even my possibilities
have changed...physical activities are limited due to the decay
or entropy that has occurred in my body... I can no longer
pick up heavy objects due to the damage to my knees and back....

as I age, the actual changes and the possible changes....
for the worse I might add... I can no longer do much of
the actual that I could have done when I was younger
and because of that, my possibilities are also very limited....

and as I age, my actual decreases and my possibilities decreases...

and when I am close to death... my actual and my possibilities
no longer really exists... it is not possible for my body to achieve
anything actual and it is no longer possible for me to reach
possibilities....at old age, all that is left of the possibilities is death..
there are no other possibilities available to me as I grow old enough to die...

so what is actual in human beings and what is possible for human beings
change as we grow older and entropy becomes a larger and larger factor
in our lives..

does this depress me or make me want to kill myself?

no.. it is part of the price of admission into life....

we are born with possibilities and choices and the actual...
and those change as we get older..... so what is really left isn't
what you might think....

what is between the actual and the possible seems to be choice....

I can choose to make some choices.. I can try to overcome my actual
and attempt to run the 4 minute mile...even at my age....
but it won't succeed.. so do I let the fact that no matter how
hard I try, I can't succeed at running the 4 minute mile stop my
from achieving this?

how much does the actual and the possible affects and change
our choices? to overcome means to overcome the actual
and become something else... to change what is possible....

even at my advanced old age, I can, in theory, it is possible, for
me to become president of the U.S.... it is still possible....
but is it actual? only by overcoming the actual can we achieve
the possible...

so ask yourself, what is the actual in your life and what is the possible?

and what choices can you make between this actual, that we are,
and the possible, that we might be?

entropy is a given in our existence.. our bodies decay and eventually die....

so what do we do in the meantime?

what is our actual, what are our choices and what is possible?


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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:10 pm

we look about this day and we see, causes, events, idea's and movement
that strike us as being "Profound" and "Timely" .....

in my life, I have had many such moment that have influenced me....

I recall as a child of the 60's, hiding under my desk in case of a nuclear
attack by the Soviet Union... yep, we truly believed a desk would protect us
from a nuclear attack......and I recall the drama of the JFK assassination
and I recall watching the news as Walter Cronkite would tell us at the dinner table
that another 54 or 38 or whatever soldiers had died that week.... and we would
watch footage of soldiers in Vietnam fighting or whatever......it was the present
reality of life in 1968 America....and it was causing riots in the streets
and fistfights and kids dropping out and you couldn't get away from it....
the war in Vietnam caused a pall over everything in America in 1968.....

and in 1972, 73, it was Watergate...and it cast a pall over everything in this country...
almost every action had some tie back to Watergate....I was 14 and 15 and I could still
remember every single news cast or newspaper had front page something about
Watergate... in 1973 was my freshman year in high school.......

in 1979, 81 was the Iran Hostages...and it dominated everything for
almost 2 years...and I was radicalized by the election of Raygun..
I became, after a time, a anarchist.....

and in 1985-1987 was Iran Contra and it dominated the news...
and people went to jail, not the right people mind you.. like bush Sr.
and Raygun should have gone to jail but whatever....

in 1990-91 was the gulf war, desert storm... and it dominated everything....

and in 1998 was Clinton's impeachment and that dominated the news....

and in 2000 was the election of bush over Gore.. still the single worse decision
in the SCOTUS history far outweighing the infamous "Dred Scott" case
which cause a fucking Civil war....

and Kropotkin, what is your point? I see the exit of IQ45 as being the dominent
news of the day... but I like to point out that we see and hear and feel the
news of the day very intently.. and it tends to blot out everything...
and more importantly, these events which dominated everything, sometimes
for years, no longer have any relevance...matters that were literally life and death,
no longer even have any meaning.... ask a kid about Vietnam and they are completely
clueless... they have no sense at all... what the entire war was about...

events and moments that we see today that seems to be so important
and dominated, will be forgotten.. just as we have forgotten about Vietnam....

or as kids hiding under our desk to save us from a nuclear war......
from the war that never came....

and nowadays kids hide under their desks to save themselves from crazed
killers trying to kill as many kids as they can.....

and we too have forgotten...Sandy Hook was in 2012... a lifetime ago....

the point is that these events which so dominate and drive us today, will
be forgotten, the idea's that seem to be so dominate today, will be forgotten
and the emotions and feelings that so drive our actions, will be forgotten......

we are temporary creatures... we exists in time temporarily and our ideas,
beliefs, emotions, events, moments are forgotten...the anger and despair
that drove me to become an anarchist in 1981 is gone... replaced by
growing older and I hope, hope, wiser.....and what of the events and moment
and ideas that I have listed, do they have any value at all? perhaps as learning
moments.. maybe.....we can learn from our mistakes in Vietnam and what drove
us to protect a god awful land thousands of miles away... the entire basis of
Vietnam was from a terrible misinformed belief in the sanctity of the America
ideal.....58,000 soldiers died from a failed idea that if we don't stop communism
in Vietnam that it would advance all the way to and beyond India...and guess what?
communism died anyway in 1990.....

ideas and events and moments that strike at the very heart of who
we are today, won't be so important in a few years.... Hence the loud
wailing of those like Obser and gloom and UR is seen as it is,
time will erase these moments like sand castles on the beach.....

I once swore that I would be a anarchist forever... and then a few
later discovered that what is human, is soon to be erased by time itself....

who I am today has been formed, in part, by my many years as an anarchist,
but it isn't who I am today.....I am something different today...and what seemed
to be so very important yesterday, today, not so much....and tomorrow, not
very important at all, in fact, most likely forgotten...and not only is that
something real, it is something that is important... that we are not defined
by our beliefs and moments, but we are changing all the time.. it is this change
that has value, not the beliefs or moments...... I am who I am, now at 61, soon
to turn 62... and what I hold to be true today, most likely will be forgotten by
the time I reach 70...and I will hold new truths and values and understanding...

and why, because as we age, we change to fit and adapt to our new conditions....
I will be much closer to death then I am today.... and that simple biological fact,
will help decide my own beliefs, understandings, hopes and dreams.....
my "TRUTHS" when I am 70... will be different, far different then what they
are today..... and I am ok with that because I see how my "TRUTHS" of yesterday,
as a child hiding under my desk or of marching in the name of anarchism or
protesting the village idiot, which one, must be asked....
and it is the very nature of time that moves what we belief in
and hope for and dream about...

has there been one single immutable belief that I have been able to hold
onto my entire life?

no, outside of my impeding death and even that I can't be sure about....
I cannot know that I will die.... it is in the future and as Hume pointed
out, what we "know" about the future is simply habits, prejudices,
superstitions and wishful thinking....

so Kropotkin, what the hell is your point?

my point, if I even have a point is simply this, we can only hold onto
who we are and who we might become....everything else is simply
transitory... ephemeral....temporary....short lived.....

I can still recall when I was running track and cross-country in high school
and that seems like yesterday.... but that was over 40 years ago now.....
my mind still believes it is 18 again, but my body, my body knows it is 61....

so who do I follow, my mind or my body?

I must, as I must, follow my body.... for my mind is simple wrong in its
belief that I am still 18.........

if I am to believe statistics, I am going to live for another 15 years....

what am I to make of the next 15 years?

whatever I can.....and knowing that what I hold to be true today,
I won't hold in those remaining 15 years I have.....

and what you hold to be true and forever, you will discover as I have,
that nothing is true forever... time changes and dominates us in ways
we cannot even see or even fathom.....

today isn't the only day of our life, it just the latest of many days to come.....

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