Dorian Gray

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Re: Dorian Gray

Postby Duality » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:25 am

Logic is applied to attain fulfillment. The desire for fulfillment comes first, then the use of logic. Without a desire, there would be no use or need for any action

unsuper wrote:
Duality wrote:Didnt notice this. The objectivity/subjectivity of logic has no relevance to anything stated. All that is stated is that logic is an applied tool used to justify/fulfill our existential desires

and that tool has varying levels of productivity....which correlates with how objective it is. my point

Learn how to read the entire post next time:
Duality wrote:logic is also often pragmatic, but the pragmatism does not contribute additional meaning and purpose to our perceptions, just as things like sensations do not

unsuper wrote:
Duality wrote: Logic derives from consciousness regardless of it's level of objectivity/subjectivity.

that's irrelevant

its relevant because desire comes first. Logic is a tool, not a source. And does not have an immediate objective meaning in itself

unsuper wrote:
Duality wrote:False foundation is also bogus claim. It is not anymore false than any other perception you choose to apply- including the "bashing down of every foundation besides the one that is *me".

it's common sense. christianity, for instance, is a very false foundation. which is why much of neitzsche's work goes absolutely nowhere...because he's so focused on refuting that false foundation that he leavs no room to say anything (i just tried reading the antichrist. i cant. i think i'll make a thread refuting a lot of it's bullshit)

other than: what is more in this world, to you, than yourself?

What does Christianity have to do with the concept of existentialism? Learn how to apply some basic fuckin logic to an argument and maybe read some Dostoyevsky and Kierkegaard then get back to me.

maybe some william blake too. may help you learn some verse along the way
"A truth is not necessary, because we negatively are not able to conceive the actual existence of the opposite thereof;but a truth is necessary when we positively are able to apprehend that the negation thereof includes an inevitable contradiction. It is not that that we can see how the opposite comes to be true, but it is that the opposite can not possibly be true." -R.L. Dabney

"Those then who know not wisdom and virtue, and are always busy with gluttony and sensuality, go down and up again as far as the mean; and in this region they move at random throughout life, but they never pass into the true upper world; thither they neither look, nor do they ever find their way, neither are they truly filled with true being, nor do they ever taste of pure and abiding pleasure." -Socrates
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Re: Dorian Gray

Postby unsuper » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:27 am

i was defending the concept of false foundations when i brought up christianity...other than that it seems like you agree with existensialism
so, um :-"
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Re: Dorian Gray

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:25 am

The strong act as they may, the weak accept what they must.
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Re: Dorian Gray

Postby Meno_ » Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:32 am

"Logic is applied to attain fulfillment. The desire for fulfillment comes first, then the use of logic. Without a desire, there would be no use or need for any action"

The weight of unfulfilled desire used to overcome the power of premature enlightenment. The price for that, beyond conception.

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