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Re: Determinism

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue May 04, 2021 8:12 pm

Fuck off you autistic kook.
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Determinism

Postby iambiguous » Tue May 04, 2021 8:13 pm

Sculptor wrote:Have you ever been diagnosed with Tourette's syndrome?


If he has been here's something he can relate to: https://youtu.be/wNfSvD4-xfc

The Devil in other words.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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Re: Determinism

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue May 04, 2021 8:47 pm

i rather stand with Christians under a cross and hold lying and hatred as a sin than with lying hypocrite Canadian kooks who fail to observe anything past their own fucking nose. if your ideal is to be 50, divorced, wife banged up by a negro and the child raised up by the state that promotes drag queens and invites perverts and freaks into schools then be my guest...we are dasein after all. or maybe you prefer to be a greedy hypocrite bible belt Yank? complaining at immigration but having brought the negros and Mexicans over to America yourself out of shortsighted greed??? being a selfish, greedy, libertarian piece of shit???
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Determinism

Postby Sculptor » Tue May 04, 2021 10:47 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Is it a joke when 6 million Jewish civilians were butchered for no good reason???and there are cunts over 50 years later who still go around, advocating this is necessary to repeat based on some lies and conspiracy theories and pseudo-science??? Hitler could have eradicated the Jewish culture in Europe and not kill any Jews and he would have Europeans with a 1/5 Eastern-European and Semitic gene(since Jewry native to Europe is not the same as Jewry native to Levant and middle-east) addition but...he believed in the same insanities which were already pseudo-scientific which the SHITthyself cunts still spread around the place. Is this a joke?


This is crazy talk.
A Jew is defined by people who call themselves Jewish. Their genes are of no importance. If they are 100% of European origin that does not change the fact that they identify as Jews. It is up to them. Many Jews have blond hair and blue eyes, whilst people in the Levant are darker skinned with dark eyes. Some Jews are fully black, such as the Abayudaya.

For my money I do not understand why anyone would want to chain themselves to that particular type of yoke. It's vanity I suppose coupled with the need to belong. And there is no better sense of belonging than a sense of victimhood and shared suffering. It's also religious doctrination.

The same racism acts like a yoke to many "ethnic" groups, and they use it to oppress others outside the group. People chose that out of a sense of loyalty to their "ancestors". This is an aspect of tribalism which acts at many levels; from small families, street gangs, football supporters, nations and their patriots; imperialists ad nauseam.
It's this vanity that causes the most conflict, and I am sure will eventually be the death of the human race.
You are just part of the problem.

I'll have none of it.
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Re: Determinism

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue May 04, 2021 10:57 pm

ok autistic boy are you from canada by any chance???
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Determinism

Postby Ecmandu » Tue May 04, 2021 11:26 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:ok autistic boy are you from canada by any chance???


You just lost a lot of credibility with me here polish.

Sculptor is correct.
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Re: Determinism

Postby peacegirl » Tue May 04, 2021 11:30 pm

Sculptor wrote:
polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Is it a joke when 6 million Jewish civilians were butchered for no good reason???and there are cunts over 50 years later who still go around, advocating this is necessary to repeat based on some lies and conspiracy theories and pseudo-science??? Hitler could have eradicated the Jewish culture in Europe and not kill any Jews and he would have Europeans with a 1/5 Eastern-European and Semitic gene(since Jewry native to Europe is not the same as Jewry native to Levant and middle-east) addition but...he believed in the same insanities which were already pseudo-scientific which the SHITthyself cunts still spread around the place. Is this a joke?


This is crazy talk.
A Jew is defined by people who call themselves Jewish. Their genes are of no importance. If they are 100% of European origin that does not change the fact that they identify as Jews. It is up to them. Many Jews have blond hair and blue eyes, whilst people in the Levant are darker skinned with dark eyes. Some Jews are fully black, such as the Abayudaya.

For my money I do not understand why anyone would want to chain themselves to that particular type of yoke. It's vanity I suppose coupled with the need to belong. And there is no better sense of belonging than a sense of victimhood and shared suffering. It's also religious doctrination.

The same racism acts like a yoke to many "ethnic" groups, and they use it to oppress others outside the group. People chose that out of a sense of loyalty to their "ancestors". This is an aspect of tribalism which acts at many levels; from small families, street gangs, football supporters, nations and their patriots; imperialists ad nauseam.
It's this vanity that causes the most conflict, and I am sure will eventually be the death of the human race.
You are just part of the problem.

I'll have none of it.


Well said.
http://www.declineandfallofallevil.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Decline-and-Fall-of-All-Evil-10-18-2020-FIRST-3-CHAPTERS.pdf

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Re: Determinism

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Tue May 04, 2021 11:38 pm

Who here is autistic??? I have been diagnosed at 17 after a period of depression which ended up in me almost taking my life...Would appreciate if some fellow Aspies could share their stories with me!
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Determinism

Postby peacegirl » Wed May 05, 2021 12:16 am

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Who here is autistic??? I have been diagnosed at 17 after a period of depression which ended up in me almost taking my life...Would appreciate if some fellow Aspies could share their stories with me!


I feel for you polishyouth, but this is not the topic. It’s about determinism. Why don’t you create a thread about autism? I’m sure people will respond.
http://www.declineandfallofallevil.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Decline-and-Fall-of-All-Evil-10-18-2020-FIRST-3-CHAPTERS.pdf

Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested: that is, some books are to be read only in parts, others to be read, but not curiously, and some few to be read wholly, and with diligence and attention.
Francis Bacon (1561-1626)

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lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, major media destroys
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Re: Determinism

Postby Meno_ » Wed May 05, 2021 1:02 am

peacegirl wrote:
polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Who here is autistic??? I have been diagnosed at 17 after a period of depression which ended up in me almost taking my life...Would appreciate if some fellow Aspies could share their stories with me!


I feel for you polishyouth, but this is not the topic. It’s about determinism. Why don’t you create a thread about autism? I’m sure people will respond.




Peacegirl:

There is literature which connect psychodynamic elements with determination, it may be worth looking at.

Here is one, albeit lenghty:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 19-09585-9


Here is a direct, link specific to autism:


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210351/



AMD as a final one even more specific:



https://gfp.typepad.com/the_garden_of_f ... utism.html
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Re: Determinism

Postby peacegirl » Wed May 05, 2021 2:39 am

Meno_ wrote:
peacegirl wrote:
polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Who here is autistic??? I have been diagnosed at 17 after a period of depression which ended up in me almost taking my life...Would appreciate if some fellow Aspies could share their stories with me!


I feel for you polishyouth, but this is not the topic. It’s about determinism. Why don’t you create a thread about autism? I’m sure people will respond.




Peacegirl:

There is literature which connect psychodynamic elements with determination, it may be worth looking at.

Here is one, albeit lenghty:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 19-09585-9


Here is a direct, link specific to autism:


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210351/



AMD as a final one even more specific:



https://gfp.typepad.com/the_garden_of_f ... utism.html


Thanks Meno. I’ll try to read the articles when I have a moment. I know that man’s will is not free. I would think these articles on autism support that premise.
http://www.declineandfallofallevil.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Decline-and-Fall-of-All-Evil-10-18-2020-FIRST-3-CHAPTERS.pdf

Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested: that is, some books are to be read only in parts, others to be read, but not curiously, and some few to be read wholly, and with diligence and attention.
Francis Bacon (1561-1626)

“Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health,
lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, major media destroys
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Re: Determinism

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Wed May 05, 2021 2:44 am

I hate autistics, I wish Hitler had won the war so he could finish the job on them and the society could finally be free.
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Determinism

Postby encode_decode » Wed May 05, 2021 8:18 am

peacegirl wrote:I feel for you polishyouth, but this is not the topic. It’s about determinism. Why don’t you create a thread about autism? I’m sure people will respond.

Unfortunately, as with most meanings these days, the meaning of autism has been twisted too. Polish is fully aware of the actual meaning, aren't you polish?
One thing I respect about him is he is honest in the presentation of himself - he is upfront and before long you have a detailed picture of his online persona.

Trying to popularize the word autistic for anything other than what it means is perverse and disgusting. It shows a lack of humane potential.
Such a word with this type of intended meaning does not belong in serious philosophical discourse and makes the one that uses it, appear to be a kook.
The only exception I make is for those who "can not help it" or are truly misguided.
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Re: Determinism

Postby Sculptor » Wed May 05, 2021 1:16 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Who here is autistic??? I have been diagnosed at 17 after a period of depression which ended up in me almost taking my life...Would appreciate if some fellow Aspies could share their stories with me!


I think you are the only one.
Your problem is that you also have Tourrett's Syndrome too.
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Re: Determinism

Postby Sculptor » Wed May 05, 2021 1:17 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Who here is autistic??? I have been diagnosed at 17 after a period of depression which ended up in me almost taking my life...Would appreciate if some fellow Aspies could share their stories with me!


I think you are the only one.
Your problem is that you also have Tourrett's Syndrome too.
It's no wonder you are depressed with a mouth like that.
You are a loner and will probably stay that way.
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Re: Determinism

Postby Sculptor » Wed May 05, 2021 1:18 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:I hate autistics, I wish Hitler had won the war so he could finish the job on them and the society could finally be free.


Self hate.
Take it out of here, and leave us in peace.
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Re: Determinism

Postby phyllo » Wed May 05, 2021 2:09 pm

I know that man’s will is not free.
That's great.

But you don't know how all the factors in existence work towards a man/woman making a decision.

And you don't know how to control those factors in order to get a man/woman to do specific tasks.

There is small scale manipulation like magic tricks and general large scale manipulation like advertising and political propaganda. But those things don't work on everyone and they don't even require determinism to account for why they work. They would work even in a free-will environment. You can manipulate people with FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) or lies, guilt and blame. Or inspiration, motivation and uplifting.

Take your pick. We already have that technology.

You can use it to help the poor, unfortunate and starving people as well. Religious organizations do it and they have free-will given to them by God.

"man's will is not free" is an academic answer with no practical application. You don't need it.
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Re: Determinism

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Wed May 05, 2021 2:41 pm

encode_decode wrote:
peacegirl wrote:I feel for you polishyouth, but this is not the topic. It’s about determinism. Why don’t you create a thread about autism? I’m sure people will respond.

Unfortunately, as with most meanings these days, the meaning of autism has been twisted too. Polish is fully aware of the actual meaning, aren't you polish?
One thing I respect about him is he is honest in the presentation of himself - he is upfront and before long you have a detailed picture of his online persona.

Trying to popularize the word autistic for anything other than what it means is perverse and disgusting. It shows a lack of humane potential.
Such a word with this type of intended meaning does not belong in serious philosophical discourse and makes the one that uses it, appear to be a kook.
The only exception I make is for those who "can not help it" or are truly misguided.

You are a Yank thought terrorist. Where am I demonizing autism specifically? Just because I call the autistic neo-nazi kook cunts does not mean I think they are so wholly because of their autism, same way saying an African-American thieves and rapists does not mean you are automatically saying they are thieves and rapists because they are Negroids or that all Negroids are thieves and rapists...I am not a psychiatrist, I know fuck all about autism...does not mean I must be an expert to speak my mind on it or on other things, you are trying to guilt trip the wrong fucking guy, I dont lie, I never fucked anybody over, I dont bully people and my girlfriend does not have any tattoos on her pussy.
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Determinism

Postby encode_decode » Wed May 05, 2021 2:46 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:You are a Yank thought terrorist. Where am I demonizing autism specifically? Just because I call the autistic neo-nazi kook cunts does not mean I think they are so wholly because of their autism, same way saying an African-American thieves and rapists does not mean you are automatically saying they are thieves and rapists because they are Negroids or that all Negroids are thieves and rapists...I am not a psychiatrist, I know fuck all about autism...

No man. I do not think you can help it.

You are like person hundred who has called me a thought terrorist. I am starting to believe I am one. Perhaps peacegirl can learn something here, to get everyone to believe her about this magical book.

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Re: Determinism

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Wed May 05, 2021 2:47 pm

Sculptor is an autistic kook, half the SHITthyself kooks are autistic, and so forth...show me one instance where I called somebody autistic who clearly is not...you autistic, butt-hurt spook.
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Determinism

Postby encode_decode » Wed May 05, 2021 2:50 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Sculptor is an autistic kook, half the SHITthyself kooks are autistic, and so forth...show me one instance where I called somebody autistic who clearly is not...you autistic, butt-hurt spook.

Bro, I have no free will. How am I supposed to know what I will say next? I am still waiting for what ever it is to come into my mind where I can answer your questions.
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Re: Determinism

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Wed May 05, 2021 2:53 pm

Maybe I should not bring autism up though...I think I will stop with autism, some people might get offended, I dont have to do it. I dont want to hurt people if I dont have to.
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Determinism

Postby Sculptor » Wed May 05, 2021 4:24 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Maybe I should not bring autism up though...I think I will stop with autism, some people might get offended, I dont have to do it. I dont want to hurt people if I dont have to.


You do not want to hurt people?
Say what?
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Re: Determinism

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Wed May 05, 2021 4:51 pm

you are too gay faggot, dont cry.
At the beginning there was only Chaos, Night, dark Erebus, and deep Tartarus. Earth, the air and heaven had no existence. Firstly, blackwinged Night laid a germless egg in the bosom of the infinite deeps of Erebus, and from this, after the revolution of long ages, sprang the graceful Eros with his glittering golden wings, swift as the whirlwinds of the tempest. He mated in deep Tartarus with dark Chaos, winged like himself, and thus hatched forth our race, which was the first to see the light. That of the Immortals did nove yielded themselves to their lovers when almost at the end of their youth, being led away by the gift of a quail, a waterfowl, a goose, or a cock.
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Re: Determinism

Postby Sculptor » Wed May 05, 2021 6:35 pm

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:you are too gay faggot, dont cry.


Sorry but your dreams are dashed. I can't be your boyfriend because I already have a female partner, and I am not a homosexual.
Maybe you should go back to cottaging in the local public toilets as you told me you once did.
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