Corruption and Secrecy

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Corruption and Secrecy

Postby Truthseeker » Thu Oct 10, 2002 11:01 pm

Before you read any of this, please read with an open mind. I don't want anyone to get offened and get me banned :)
I'd like to first say, our government is corrupted. I live in the U.S. to tell ya BTW.
First of all, I beleive this because of how our nation has become. Gays and lesbians, alcoholics, druggies, child pornography, racial hate groups and abortionsits ALL have rights GIVEN to them by OUR government which is sworn to uphold all the good moral things that the framers of the constitution worked so hard to achieve.
While I understand these sins have been around a long time, I don't agree we need to flaunt them out there like they are toys to play with. Each of these brings death upon anyone who fools with them. It's a known fact and if you think otherwise you are FOOLING yourself!
Another thing is the amount of secracy our governement claims they need to use. Why are we being lead like cows to the slaughter while our government continues their secret testing of military and biological weapons under our noses!?
Do we not care that our OWN government could force us into submission at any moment? Someone please explain to me why we should trust our government basing all our faith on the beleif that they give us a good economy. (money isn't everything).

Speaking of economy I wonder if anyone has ever looked at the symbol on their U.S. dollar bill of the pyramid? That's a sign of the Illuminati, why is it on OUR dollar bill you say? Well the words under and around the sign translated from latin mean Announcing the birth of a new world order. Don't beleive me, then look them up yourself!
Yet another thing that I beleive that will cause a few people to become outraged (may get me banned, but it's my veiw) is that someone higer up than the President (beleive me, there are higher powers than mr Bush) knew about the attacks and let them happen. I beleive the blame was pushed upon the entire east and now everyone is blaiming ALL the arabs for what happened. Bet you didn't know that Osama Bin laden used to work for the CIA. Don't beleive me? Dig for it, it's there.

As for aliens, they don't exist. Area 51 is simply a site that was testing human clones. The video footage you may have seen is not an alien, but a body of one of the clones (if it's even real).

So, why would a government want to keep all this hidden from their people whom they 'love' so much? I ask you, are you a person who wants things hidden from them?
I am not beating down the United States of America, but rather it's leaders. I know that sounds hatful to some and irrogant, but please listen...
The people in this great country are trying to uphold a standard in going to work everyday and keeping the economy going. Our government pockets our cash faster than we can get it out. Now I am not complaining as if I was poor (I have two houses) but I beleive that the government's heart is where the money is. In this day and age, MONEY and NOT love is power. Unfortunatley, it is that way.

In your responses I ask you to respect my views and don't slur insults at me, but explain in a clear manner what you are trying to say (no saying I'm stupid, etc. that's childish anyway)

The Egyptian Sun God, Ahura Mazda

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German Nazi Symbol

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The U.S. Seal

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Hmm a lot of similarities, don't questions arise in your mind? They should, if you don't understand now, you will never understand.....

Thank you for taking the hour (it may seem that long) to have read this.
I hope you have learned something new. Almost forgot (no name calling kiddies, please keep it civilized).
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Postby HVD » Thu Oct 10, 2002 11:05 pm

Hi, welcome to our little corner of the web.

Allow me to explain a few things. This is a forum designed for the free exchange and discuusion of ideas. If those ideas offend people, (yes, even me) that will NOT get you banned. You are able to say what you like PROVIDED it is not a personal attack on another user OR flamebait.

Also, the users here are an intelligent bunch. They will not flame you mindlessly, even if they may be highly critical of you ideas and opinions.

Happy Posting.
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Postby cba1067950 » Fri Oct 11, 2002 3:00 am

Not to sound rude or anything but what makes you so sure about what you're saying?
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Postby BluTGI » Fri Oct 11, 2002 3:07 am

Welcome back mr Lee, Glad you came.

I also live in America. And by what HVD just posted I know now how to resond to this. Also what i feel he tried to say is Becarefull we got a lot of crazy, if we get to much we have to start turning people away. "

You sir are Verr Miss informed Infact i wonder if you understand the motives of the Framers. While I agree we live in a corupt nation. I do not see how people being Free to follow what ever religion they want to, have any life style they want to as long as it doesnt hurt others or break a law have to do with the corruption of our goverment. Infact only YOU have had a problem with homosexualty I dont like it, but im not gona attack people simply because of sexual preference. and as a man I like lesbianism. in fact i call it creative competition.

Now let me inform you of your american given "god given" rights.
They do not say that you can be driving alcholics, druggies, child pornagraphes, actively racist. You are allowed to be Gay, a Child, alcholic(not driving), you can be a racist, or a abortionist as long as you do not act and persecute others for your ideas. You have the right to belive if you do not persecute others for there belife. Also you should look up the defintion of moderation.


For points on Secracy, our goverment needs a lot of it, I recomend reading the prince by machiavelli. Infact this whole war with sadam should not have even been publicly discussed. The media shouldnt know our battle plans 2 weeks ahead of time.

Our goverment can not force us into submission, the media can. Some framer actually said we have a god given right to kick the govermets buttock if they start geting to hainus. (it may have been locke, cool points to who ever reminds me) and goverment is dicussed elsewhere, American goverment is a catch 22 its a dirty deal. it goes along the lines that its a agreement inbetween ruling class and those that are ruled the ruling class has to represent the ruled, but the ruled class must give in to those who rule if the better good is to be obtained. so they cant really force me into submission when i gave them the power to do so. The ruling class only has power we give it. thats why we have the right to bear arms.


We are all familiar with illuminati. didnt you apply for membership yet? How else can you get ahead in life?

Mr Lee here is something you can wrap your head around. Economist know war= good economy. so why would an economist stop any war? they wont as long as the war is in there favor. So those behind the scenes obviously must have had something to gain. The CIA didnt hire ossama, they worked together for what was belived to be the greater good. but he never recieved a CIA pay check. but im sure he got paid by the cia for other things.

I didnt know you mr lee could see every planet and had the power to tell us that there are no other existance of life on any other planet, guess ill stop watching star trek.


The sun god is not a modern day robed guy. Hell the egyptians dont even have a sun god. simply because egypt is a country now, not a civilization. Most of those in egypt are muslim. that image is a cross between old cult of the dead and muslim. The orignal sun god image was a EYE and he was called Ra.

As for the eagle motiff, thats just it, its a motiff, its a symbol of vigilance, stregnth, and power. it envokes primitave primordial thoughts.
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Postby Brad » Sat Oct 12, 2002 4:42 pm

I'd like to first say, our government is corrupted. I live in the U.S. to tell ya BTW.
First of all, I beleive this because of how our nation has become. Gays and lesbians, alcoholics, druggies, child pornography, racial hate groups and abortionsits ALL have rights GIVEN to them by OUR government which is sworn to uphold all the good moral things that the framers of the constitution worked so hard to achieve.


These two points don't follow. You can think the government pursues unwise policies and you can think the government is corrupt, but the two aren't necessarily intertwined. You seem to be saying that the government is corrupt because it supports all those "immoral" groups. That's a mistake.

While I understand these sins have been around a long time, I don't agree we need to flaunt them out there like they are toys to play with. Each of these brings death upon anyone who fools with them. It's a known fact and if you think otherwise you are FOOLING yourself!


You begin with an advocation for open minds but don't seem to practice it. In essence, you can call other people fools who disagree with you, but we aren't allowed the same privilege when we disagree with you. I wonder why that is?

Another thing is the amount of secracy our governement claims they need to use. Why are we being lead like cows to the slaughter while our government continues their secret testing of military and biological weapons under our noses!?


Ahhh, the Black Budget.

Do we not care that our OWN government could force us into submission at any moment? Someone please explain to me why we should trust our government basing all our faith on the beleif that they give us a good economy. (money isn't everything).


It's difficult to understand what you mean by trust here. On the one hand, if they are as powerful as you say they are, we really don't have much choice. On the other hand, you seem to think that people do indeed trust the government because of the economy. Money may not be everything but if there's a lot to be said for a government that attempts to create stable living conditions for as many people as possible. Furthermore, two reasons to trust the American government are one, it can be changed in a legal/procedural way (ever heard of Watergate?) and two, decentralization creates a system of checks and balances that forces government to compete with each other. This may not make it very efficient but it's a better system than one based on a kind of moral certainty.

Speaking of economy I wonder if anyone has ever looked at the symbol on their U.S. dollar bill of the pyramid? That's a sign of the Illuminati, why is it on OUR dollar bill you say? Well the words under and around the sign translated from latin mean Announcing the birth of a new world order. Don't beleive me, then look them up yourself!
Yet another thing that I beleive that will cause a few people to become outraged (may get me banned, but it's my veiw) is that someone higer up than the President (beleive me, there are higher powers than mr Bush) knew about the attacks and let them happen. I beleive the blame was pushed upon the entire east and now everyone is blaiming ALL the arabs for what happened. Bet you didn't know that Osama Bin laden used to work for the CIA. Don't beleive me? Dig for it, it's there.


bin Laden's connections with the CIA are well known, and the rest is, well, somebody playing Mel Gibson playing a paranoid taxi driver.

As for aliens, they don't exist. Area 51 is simply a site that was testing human clones. The video footage you may have seen is not an alien, but a body of one of the clones (if it's even real).


Is this a joke?

So, why would a government want to keep all this hidden from their people whom they 'love' so much? I ask you, are you a person who wants things hidden from them?
I am not beating down the United States of America, but rather it's leaders. I know that sounds hatful to some and irrogant, but please listen...


The Black Budget is hidden for security reasons. I am of the mind that it probably shouldn't be so secret, but I doubt that that would change your mind on the secretiveness of the government.

The people in this great country are trying to uphold a standard in going to work everyday and keeping the economy going. Our government pockets our cash faster than we can get it out. Now I am not complaining as if I was poor (I have two houses) but I beleive that the government's heart is where the money is. In this day and age, MONEY and NOT love is power. Unfortunatley, it is that way.


If you have two houses, then the government is not taking all of your cash. Perhaps, they should take more. Better yet, give that money to me. :lol: That money runs the world is not a particularly new idea, it's called capitalism if you're hostile that term, call it the rationalization of relationships.

In your responses I ask you to respect my views and don't slur insults at me, but explain in a clear manner what you are trying to say (no saying I'm stupid, etc. that's childish anyway)


But you are the one who thinks we are fooling ourselves, you are one who has problems with alternative lifestyles, you are the one playing John Nash with pictures of birds of prey. You claim not to accept labels (not here, but elsewhere) but you certainly aren't afraid of labeling others. Why can you do that and I can't?
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