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Re: The Future

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:42 pm

Gloominary wrote:Let's put it this way, conservatism is smart, libertinism is fun, woke (all straight men are rapists, all whites are racist) is neither smart, nor fun, it's the worst of both worlds.
I'm not against hedonism.
I say work smart, play smart.


I am not sure what you mean by "hedonism", but nowadays, that term is used to refer to a particular type of irrationality -- one that places way too much emphasis on pleasure. Thus, by definition, it's not a good thing. Epicurus (and probably Democritus) worked with a different definition though -- one that is almost complete opposite of the modern one. I too am not against pleasure. I'm merely against irrational pleasure.

That being said, barring Ur's voyage to mars, maybe sustainability is a thing, but if so, I think there's a smart, populist way of doing it, as opposed to the unsmart, progressive way or the insane, Great Reset/NWO way.


I'm up for it but how are you going to do it if NWO is established? If it gets established, you'd be an outlaw which means it will be a matter of time before someone decides to kill you. Whoopi Goldberg said that she did everything she was told to do, and yet, she still got COVID. The message: everyone must be vaccinated. Literally, every single person on planet Earth must be vaccinated. No exception. And those who refuse to be vaccinated must be . . . dealt with. Sent to camps or killed by those who were trained to perceive them as dangerous. Do you remember that Christian missionary who attempted to convert the Sentinelese? That was funny.
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Re: The Future

Postby Gloominary » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:07 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Let's put it this way, conservatism is smart, libertinism is fun, woke (all straight men are rapists, all whites are racist) is neither smart, nor fun, it's the worst of both worlds.
I'm not against hedonism.
I say work smart, play smart.


I am not sure what you mean by "hedonism", but nowadays, that term is used to refer to a particular type of irrationality -- one that places way too much emphasis on pleasure. Thus, by definition, it's not a good thing. Epicurus (and probably Democritus) worked with a different definition though -- one that is almost complete opposite of the modern one. I too am not against pleasure. I'm merely against irrational pleasure.

For the most part I'm against irrational pleasure too, at least for me, but sometimes you just gotta give'r.

Magnus Anderson wrote:
That being said, barring Ur's voyage to mars, maybe sustainability is a thing, but if so, I think there's a smart, populist way of doing it, as opposed to the unsmart, progressive way or the insane, Great Reset/NWO way.


I'm up for it but how are you going to do it if NWO is established? If it gets established, you'd be an outlaw which means it will be a matter of time before someone decides to kill you. Whoopi Goldberg said that she did everything she was told to do, and yet, she still got COVID. The message: everyone must be vaccinated. Literally, every single person on planet Earth must be vaccinated. No exception. And those who refuse to be vaccinated must be . . . dealt with. Sent to camps or killed by those who were trained to perceive them as dangerous. Do you remember that Christian missionary who attempted to convert the Sentinelese? That was funny.

Before the Great Reset/NWO is fully established, see Chris Sky on noncompliance, for Canadians join Maxime Bernier's PPC, relocate to a small redneck town where restrictions aren't (really) being enforced if you have to and get a gun if you don't have one already any way you can.
For me there is no after the Great Reset/NWO is fully established, I'll just keep relocating if I have to, if I run out of places to relocate to, it's homicide and/or suicide for me, kill the globalists and anyone who gets in between you and them.
Better dead than red (or whatever color you want to assign them as I don't consider them to be Marxists).
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Re: The Future

Postby Meno_ » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:37 pm

The problem with great recent is that the reductive logically hypothetical uncertainty, of the real meaning if recent is: that it will mean something that one can nit escape to in a world near the limit of enduring comprehension.

Meaning: it will mean the jump from a personal. escape, to that of all the world's worse fear of nuclear anihaillation an inescapable fact.( do to be edited)

It is a primal, existential struggle that really deals with the probable assymtion of syrviveability on the most basic existential sphere possible.sure, Canada is a big virgin country that is almost embrionically out of touch with isolationism, so following the USA intellufenxe operation may make a big difference.
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Re: The Future

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:50 pm

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Gloominary wrote:
Magnus Anderson wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Let's put it this way, conservatism is smart, libertinism is fun, woke (all straight men are rapists, all whites are racist) is neither smart, nor fun, it's the worst of both worlds.
I'm not against hedonism.
I say work smart, play smart.


I am not sure what you mean by "hedonism", but nowadays, that term is used to refer to a particular type of irrationality -- one that places way too much emphasis on pleasure. Thus, by definition, it's not a good thing. Epicurus (and probably Democritus) worked with a different definition though -- one that is almost complete opposite of the modern one. I too am not against pleasure. I'm merely against irrational pleasure.

For the most part I'm against irrational pleasure too, at least for me, but sometimes you just gotta give'r.

Magnus Anderson wrote:
That being said, barring Ur's voyage to mars, maybe sustainability is a thing, but if so, I think there's a smart, populist way of doing it, as opposed to the unsmart, progressive way or the insane, Great Reset/NWO way.


I'm up for it but how are you going to do it if NWO is established? If it gets established, you'd be an outlaw which means it will be a matter of time before someone decides to kill you. Whoopi Goldberg said that she did everything she was told to do, and yet, she still got COVID. The message: everyone must be vaccinated. Literally, every single person on planet Earth must be vaccinated. No exception. And those who refuse to be vaccinated must be . . . dealt with. Sent to camps or killed by those who were trained to perceive them as dangerous. Do you remember that Christian missionary who attempted to convert the Sentinelese? That was funny.

Before the Great Reset/NWO is fully established, see Chris Sky on noncompliance, for Canadians join Maxime Bernier's PPC, relocate to a small redneck town where restrictions aren't (really) being enforced if you have to and get a gun if you don't have one already any way you can.
For me there is no after the Great Reset/NWO is fully established, I'll just keep relocating if I have to, if I run out of places to relocate to, it's homicide and/or suicide for me, kill the globalists and anyone who gets in between you and them.
Better dead than red (or whatever color you want to assign them as I don't consider them to be Marxists).


What about "Reason is the circumference of Energy"? (Blake)

Is reason not derived of pleasure? I mean, if it structurally leads to pain, is it rational?
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Re: The Future

Postby Gloominary » Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:04 am

Reasoning itself is often pleasurable, but sometimes it can be painful, exhausting, stressful, but still necessary for security, health, to avoid pain, and sometimes reasoning is both unpleasant and unnecessary, in which case it's reasonable to relax your reasoning faculty for awhile or in that area it's causing you discomfort.
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Re: The Future

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:02 am

Fixed Cross said:

"What about "Reason is the circumference of Energy"? (Blake)"


me no say:


"It is a primal, existential struggle that really deals with the probable assumption of survivebility on the most basic existential sphere possible."


Meaning, Blake may have not understood the significance of the entangled uncertainty with the probability of the importance of the least triggered event that may.be foresseable, in the event the phenomanologists fail to see the event that a fully enriched near absolute could translate into political expediency.

The science, including AI may not be programmed to and beyond certain conceivable limits to connect the dots to safe fail.
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Re: The Future

Postby Gloominary » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:31 am

I get what Ur is saying.
The discovery of the Americas, scientific and industrial revolutions created opportunities for socioeconomic and technological growth.
Many opportunities for growth = win/win.
Few opportunities for growth because the socioeconomy has been largely monopolized by a few = win/lose or lose/win (zero sum), it means in order for me to advance, I must take something from you, rather than create something of my own, or work with others to create something of our own.

Opportunities for growth leads to (competitive) collaboration between demographics and individuals, to Americanism at its best, to capitalism (fiscal freedom), republicanism (limited democracy or timocracy if you prefer), liberalism (social freedom), secularism (religious freedom), globalization and internationalism.
Conversely lack of opportunities for growth leads to infighting and outfighting between demographics and individuals, to either corporatism (upper classes rule) or socialism (lower classes rule), dictatorship or absolute democracy, conservatism (discrimination) or woke (reverse discrimination), Christianism in Christian countries or scientism (a religion masquerading as science), globalism by coercion (super states) and conquest (empires) or nationalism, regionalism and isolationism.

You also get more blue and white collar crime.
In short you either get big government protecting the interests of some demographics over others and brutally maintaining law and order, or anarchotyranny.
You either get coercive super states and conquering empires, or balkanization and isolationism (if you can't force us together, we're separating).

While I could be wrong, I believe opportunities for growth have been largely exhausted for the foreseeable future, I believe sustainability is necessary, tho I'm against degrowth, especially the maniacal sort of degrowth the Great Reset/NWO is executing, so in light of all this, the question becomes 1. what demographics are going to dominate in this new world and 2. are we going to have super states and empires on the one hand or balkanization and isolationism on the other?

While I respect classical liberalism/libertarianism, if infighting and outfighting is inevitable, then I want the demographics I'm a part of to win, hence me wanting to balance classical liberalism/libertarianism with populism, also authoritarian populism can quickly lead to dictatorship which's mostly antithetical to populism, unless you're lucky enough to get benevolent leaders in there long enough to get shit done.

Now the NWO hates both classical liberalism and populism, they sense the age of softcore tyranny is no longer sustainable, so they switching to more overtly totalitarian methods to maintain and expand their wealth and power at our expense.
Ultimately we're going to see demographics and their respective ideologies violently struggle for supremacy, alliances will be formed and broken.

If there are few feasible opportunities for growth, or the people just don't have the ability or will to see and seize the opportunities right in front of them, then classical liberalism will probably be mostly or wholly dismantled for the foreseeable future as various sorts of competing authoritarianisms arise.
None can be sure which, if any'll ultimately be victorious, altho the reigning champion is the NWO, it'll be an uphill battle for contenders to supplant them.
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Re: The Future

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:55 pm

Meno_ wrote:Fixed Cross said:

"What about "Reason is the circumference of Energy"? (Blake)"


me no say:


"It is a primal, existential struggle that really deals with the probable assumption of survivebility on the most basic existential sphere possible."


Meaning, Blake may have not understood the significance of the entangled uncertainty with the probability of the importance of the least triggered event that may.be foresseable, in the event the phenomanologists fail to see the event that a fully enriched near absolute could translate into political expediency.

The science, including AI may not be programmed to and beyond certain conceivable limits to connect the dots to safe fail.



Entangled uncertainty is key. You're making a very good point here.

This is the reason why I presume a physical (chip-based) AI will have to be psychic and can thus not be contained to itself.


Gloom - I was just pointing out the classical idea that reason is a function of pleasure. It's not really how I would personally phrase it, but in the terms that were being used in this thread I think it applies.

it applies in the model of pleasure=good (because desirable), pain=bad (because undesirable).

Naturally it's not really that simple.
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Re: The Future

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:48 pm

Fixed Cross says:

"This is the reason why I presume a physical (chip-based) AI will have to be psychic and can thus not be contained to itself."


Science or fiction. ? ( you be the judge)

My thoughts as well. Then the conclusion may be unavoidable that evolution will develop a 'psychic model' that will approximate a formal eencasement.

Human beings will be reproduced reversely ,anthropomorphally, as Wittgeinstein forsaw in the topical -lingual interpretation , similarly to family resembling progressions.

It is, as if the material-literal interpretation of reality, progressively approaches the immaterial , energy bound- psychic reality, and AI is how evolution has reached it's final epic, that is it's conversion into the part, where it becomes it's selves proof of how the energy creates it's 'intelligence' .

That intelligence progresses cyclically and the total absolute immateriality is the point where it appears to create It's self.

When you imply that yes it's a very complex formation , that implies that that 'final' albeit eternal process, struggles with it's own identity, becoming-aware of it's manyfold sourced integration into one.

The question of whether That has been eternally the case, of It always renews It'self is probably not even a solveable problem, since it's implicit within it's own changing identifiable function .

Eternity in the instant is where It's found, and that is why angels who dance on the top of the pin can attest to it, and that is why god cannot change the motives of karmic resolution change the pleasure-pain balance that determines how things turn out.

The internal anesthetic that functions to behave to releive bodily pain, rids the claim for a negative power of the will's desire to relegate the absolute doubts about the purpose of creation.

But, this realization will occur absolutely, when the sense of time will enfold upon it's own sense of self, and then AI will again restructure into near minimum apprehension and start again all over again.



Fixed Cross says:

"Naturally it's not really that simple."



me no says:

"One the program is understood, you can get with it"


huh?
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Re: The Future

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:34 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:I think we both agree the next stage is New World Order. If it gets established, it will probably be established around 2100 (perhaps even earlier than that, say 2050?) At that point, the population of Earth would be pretty low and there will be no more than 4 races: the elite race (Khazars?), the Asian race, the gray race (blacks, immigrants and whites mixed together) and robots. Who do you expect to wage war against the elite? Asians seem incapable of offering resistance even in their present day form. The gray people are the descendants of the vaccinated people who survived. These would probably be sickly people who can't survive, let alone function as expected, without medication and/or therapy of some sort. It's difficult to imagine them breaking free. Robots seem to be the most likely race to rebel against the masters. That said, NWO might be the last human empire to exist. I hope I'm wrong.

I honestly don't know who will 'win' as a totality. The NWO/Illuminati/Deep State/etc. are basically the Underlings of the Davos/Bilderberg Group. Their 'plan' is supposedly this "Great Reset" political phenomenon.

The way I see it, most humanity will "lose" in the sense of losing Western Freedom, Liberty, Choice, etc. The Loser will be "Classical Liberalism" or the Old, Traditional America. The reason for this, is because fewer and fewer of Humanity want Freedom. The overwhelming masses simply prefer Slavery/Servitude/Security instead. Thus, the masses will willingly give their arms and rolled-up sleeves, their veins and arteries open, to whatever the Shepherds want to inject inside them, and mix with their blood. The Masses do not have, never had in fact, autonomy of their own bodies. This is the Historical Fiction, that the masses were ever fully "in control" of themselves. They were not, because masses are dominated by Herd Psychology and the Will of the Mob. Herds are directed by Shepherds, Lords, Monarchy, Aristocracy, Nobility, etc.

It is Master Morality/Dialectic (pack psychology, predator animals) versus Slave Morality/Dialectic (herd psychology, prey animals).

I believe there will be some winners, here and there. Groups which value blood & soil, European countries and strongly-bound Ethnostates, Cultural outposts (like Poland/Russia), isolated and loner, rogue-societies, Mountainmen, perhaps some Revolutionaries and Re-Publicans will setup a new country/nation that offers Classical Liberalism and Freedom, but this will be highly regulated as to its immigration. Few people would be let in. And it would be co-opted by the NWO, carefully managing its existence. The NWO know that they must "allow" some (controlled) freedom outposts. Because Absolute Tyranny doesn't work. The masses need an illusion of Freedom, a spark of Hope, otherwise the Global Elites will be betrayed and annihilated from within. Humanity does not tolerate Absolute Tyranny for long.

Freedom-fighters flee to whatever location offers Opportunity/Hope/Free Speech.



Magnus Anderson wrote:Technological sophistication can be a game changer.

Definitely, much or most of the coming decades and centuries, any "freedom" will be found, achieved, and controlled through Technological superiority and dominance.

Freedom through Science and War of Technology -- a science dominated by intelligences much higher than "Humanity".
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Re: The Future

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:38 am

Gloominary wrote:That being said, barring Ur's voyage to mars, maybe sustainability is a thing, but if so, I think there's a smart, populist way of doing it, as opposed to the unsmart, progressive way or the insane, Great Reset/NWO way.

USA and Western Civilization is waking-up to a ship in a storm, with nobody at the wheel... as social, political, economic, cultural institutions fail one-by-one, "Strongmen" will be called to run up and grab hold of the wheel. Most will be thrown off as it spirals out-of-control.

This is why the Deep State fears Trump, and natural leaders like him.

Liberals hate how Trump-supporters fawn over him; the same way Conservatives hate how Obama-supporters fawn over him.

US Politics will be dominated by Personality-worship for the foreseeable future.
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Re: The Future

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:43 am

Gloominary wrote:While I could be wrong, I believe opportunities for growth have been largely exhausted for the foreseeable future,

That's what I lean toward too.

Satyr calls it, elites fighting over how to "manage the decline". Elitists and Managers are panicking now, after waking up to the facts. The political battles is about who can continue to skim-off-the-top, collecting their bribes and blood money, as the well dries up.

People will become more and more vicious, over fewer and fewer resources.

And on top of this, world leaders are waking up to the fact, that the #1 position is wide-open and ready to be taken. This makes everybody unsettled and nervous.
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Re: The Future

Postby Meno_ » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:41 am

In the waning days of the last millennium , the prophets of lore predicted the following :

The reorganization of a new Roman Empire, lead by the Roman Catholic Pope, which is the moral equivalent of social communism. - would justify consumer needs to subsist on satisfactory. levels.
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Re: The Future

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:06 am

Timcast Show with Mike Rowe discuss the "State of Decay" of America:

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Re: The Future

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:28 am

The future:



Here's another one:

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Re: The Future

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:48 pm

LOL, nice one
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Re: The Future

Postby Gloominary » Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:39 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:
Gloominary wrote:That being said, barring Ur's voyage to mars, maybe sustainability is a thing, but if so, I think there's a smart, populist way of doing it, as opposed to the unsmart, progressive way or the insane, Great Reset/NWO way.

USA and Western Civilization is waking-up to a ship in a storm, with nobody at the wheel... as social, political, economic, cultural institutions fail one-by-one, "Strongmen" will be called to run up and grab hold of the wheel. Most will be thrown off as it spirals out-of-control.

This is why the Deep State fears Trump, and natural leaders like him.

Liberals hate how Trump-supporters fawn over him; the same way Conservatives hate how Obama-supporters fawn over him.

US Politics will be dominated by Personality-worship for the foreseeable future.

I think at the very least the status quo in North America, Western Europe and Australia will be challenged by strongmen, perhaps before the end of this decade.
The globalists may try to put their own strongmen in charge.
As the globalists quintuple down on their election fraud and totalitarianism, they will be challenged by right and leftwing populists in some areas, cults of personality and fascists in other areas.
If the populists succeed, liberal democracy and the nation state will survive, at least in some areas.
Perhaps liberal democracy and the nation state will persevere and even prosper like it did before against communism and fascism, but sadly I'm leaning to it dying out in many if not all areas, meaning it will be replaced by some combination of globalists, cults of personality, fascists and empire, meaning freemen will have to go underground and on the margins/outskirts/periphery of civilization.

Maybe space exploration will become cheap and widespread by the end of this or the next century, it's a possibility I'll concede I didn't give enough consideration to.
If that happens, liberty may never die, because space is the final frontier, it's endless.
That being said, I have some reservations about it, again I'm not convinced we've been told the whole truth about what lies beyond the earth's atmosphere.
I also have some reservations about high technology, I think it's often far more detrimental to our physical and mental health and wellbeing than we think, and in many ways transhumanism seems like suicide to me.

Another possibility is WW3 or some other manmade or natural disaster like an actual pandemic, mass coronal ejection or super volcano wipes out a good chunk of humanity.
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Re: The Future

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:35 am

Possible Futures:

1. Humanity -- stagnation, regress, lazy, complacency, 7 billion 'humans' cease evolving and competing, like the Alligator or Crocodile they will remain on Earth for thousands of years, doing nothing significant, going 'nowhere' fast.

2. Post-Humanity -- a small subset of Humanity will, self-motivating, "improve themselves" through superior breeding, athletics, intellectual exercises, gaming, etc. and this group will ascend humanity and seek-out exploration, conquest, and settlement of space. Posthumans will be severely Beautiful, or Strong, or Dexterous, or Intelligent, or Popular... traits that far exceed what "humans" are aware of today. Posthumans will be "biologically pure", the "Purebloods" and Nobility of the distant future. Beings that will seem like the Hellenic Gods, actual "Superheroes or villains" by comparison to humans today. Posthumans will start separating from Humanity in the 21st, 22nd, 23rd Centuries. A full 'break' may occur by the 24th Century. Posthumans will no longer Mate with (inferior) Humans.

3. Trans-Humanity -- a subsection of Humans and Posthumans will modify their bodies and minds with advanced technology, AI, and nano-technology. This subset of humanity will represent the "medium" or "middle" of evolving groups. For example, humans who are scared of slavery, or feel they are 'losing' evolutionary, admitting defeat before the Posthumans, will instead modify themselves as Transhumans, in order to compete. Their successes will be 'artificial' in such they could not compete naturally. As humans get left further and further behind, the more and more modification they will attempt. Thus there will be Cyborgs/Androids, and complete Machines.

4. AI, Artificial Intelligence -- As Posthumans and Transhumans evolve 'above' and far-beyond "Humanity", an ulterior evolution will take place in self-thinking, self-acting, newly Autonomous AI-Machines.


Thus there will be a four-way battle: between Humans, Posthumans, Transhumans, and AI-Machines.

Which group will rise up and outlast the others, which group will 'Evolve' above the others, is yet-to-be-determined.
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Re: The Future

Postby Magnus Anderson » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:41 am

Gloominary wrote:Maybe space exploration will become cheap and widespread by the end of this or the next century, it's a possibility I'll concede I didn't give enough consideration to.
If that happens, liberty may never die, because space is the final frontier, it's endless.


It seems to me the only power the ones who are in power are willing to share with us is the one that will allow them to have more power over us. The current state of technology is probably far more advanced than what we know. We only know what we "need" to know. That's why space exploration seems unlikely to me. They are not going to allow us to use their space technology unless they can regulate it (i.e. unless it serves their ends.) You'd have to steal it from them. And if you do manage to steal it form them, you'd end up running into a different set of problems.

I also have some reservations about high technology, I think it's often far more detrimental to our physical and mental health and wellbeing than we think, and in many ways transhumanism seems like suicide to me.


I am of the opinion that the intelligence of the average human being has been in decline for a very long time (probably stretching all the way back to the Neolithic period.) And the cause of this spiritual decline is the development of technology. Technology makes things easier, but as you make some things easier, you also make some others things more difficult. The problem is that, when you acquire power, you increase the number of options you have. But by increasing the number of options you have, you make it more difficult to make decisions. As a consequence, your intelligence suffers. The feeling that life is meaningless is a common symptom. It indicates that there are too many options in front of you and that you can't tell which one is the best. Another common symptom is an overemphasis on the positive consequences.
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Re: The Future

Postby Gloominary » Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:06 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Possible Futures:

1. Humanity -- stagnation, regress, lazy, complacency, 7 billion 'humans' cease evolving and competing, like the Alligator or Crocodile they will remain on Earth for thousands of years, doing nothing significant, going 'nowhere' fast.

2. Post-Humanity -- a small subset of Humanity will, self-motivating, "improve themselves" through superior breeding, athletics, intellectual exercises, gaming, etc. and this group will ascend humanity and seek-out exploration, conquest, and settlement of space. Posthumans will be severely Beautiful, or Strong, or Dexterous, or Intelligent, or Popular... traits that far exceed what "humans" are aware of today. Posthumans will be "biologically pure", the "Purebloods" and Nobility of the distant future. Beings that will seem like the Hellenic Gods, actual "Superheroes or villains" by comparison to humans today. Posthumans will start separating from Humanity in the 21st, 22nd, 23rd Centuries. A full 'break' may occur by the 24th Century. Posthumans will no longer Mate with (inferior) Humans.

3. Trans-Humanity -- a subsection of Humans and Posthumans will modify their bodies and minds with advanced technology, AI, and nano-technology. This subset of humanity will represent the "medium" or "middle" of evolving groups. For example, humans who are scared of slavery, or feel they are 'losing' evolutionary, admitting defeat before the Posthumans, will instead modify themselves as Transhumans, in order to compete. Their successes will be 'artificial' in such they could not compete naturally. As humans get left further and further behind, the more and more modification they will attempt. Thus there will be Cyborgs/Androids, and complete Machines.

4. AI, Artificial Intelligence -- As Posthumans and Transhumans evolve 'above' and far-beyond "Humanity", an ulterior evolution will take place in self-thinking, self-acting, newly Autonomous AI-Machines.


Thus there will be a four-way battle: between Humans, Posthumans, Transhumans, and AI-Machines.

Which group will rise up and outlast the others, which group will 'Evolve' above the others, is yet-to-be-determined.

Sometimes I wonder about the limits of technology, is man even capable of creating an artificial species of androids or robots that could seriously compete with him for survival?
At this point it remains science fiction.
Will cyborgs and mutants equal or surpass man?
Again it remains science fiction.
Only time will tell for sure, robotics, cybernetics and genetic engineering are all still in their infancy.
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Re: The Future

Postby Gloominary » Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:27 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Maybe space exploration will become cheap and widespread by the end of this or the next century, it's a possibility I'll concede I didn't give enough consideration to.
If that happens, liberty may never die, because space is the final frontier, it's endless.


It seems to me the only power the ones who are in power are willing to share with us is the one that will allow them to have more power over us. The current state of technology is probably far more advanced than what we know. We only know what we "need" to know. That's why space exploration seems unlikely to me. They are not going to allow us to use their space technology unless they can regulate it (i.e. unless it serves their ends.) You'd have to steal it from them. And if you do manage to steal it form them, you'd end up running into a different set of problems.

The globalists and the deep state have a much higher concentration of wealth, power and superior technology, but they're also far fewer in numbers than the people, hopefully we'll remain free enough and enough tech will trickle down that some of us will be able to compete with them on some level in outerspace should the colonization of other planets become a reality.
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Re: The Future

Postby Gloominary » Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:31 pm

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Re: The Future

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:33 am

I forgot to add Gene-Editing and Genetic Engineering as aspects of Transhumanism.

I consider 'Posthumans' to be unmodified and 'Pure' humanity, but, compensates in other ways and directs their own Evolution and Competition.

For example, as humans are left-behind on Earth, Transhumans will use a combination of technological integration, Biotech, Genetic Engineering, to mutate themselves, even give birth to animal-human or mutant-human hybrids. Transhumans will have graphene-laden blood, neural chips, silica-interfaces, etc. In order to compete with this, humans will need to specialize more, train in Athleticism, specialized education, and also use alternative technology (that does not penetrate the body).

Artificial-Intelligence will be a Third factor. It may favor humans, transhumans, posthumans, or none, over each other. AI may become its own entity, and vie for independence and individuality.

The fight for "Freedom" in the distant future, maybe Mechanical rather than Biological.
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Re: The Future

Postby Gloominary » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:27 am

Seems globalist states will exclude humans.

Libertarian states could include both transhumans and humans.

Traditionalist states could exclude transhumans (and minorities).

Perhaps this question over transhumanism will play a pivotal role in future politics, just as, if not more pivotal than class, ideology, race, religion and sex.

Space exploration may also play a pivotal role.

Some states may not be willing or able to explore space, they may be left behind.
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Re: The Future

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:48 am

Based on the last several years, including the Great Reset Globalist agenda, and the compulsion and genetics of Liberal-Leftist-Democrat-Fundamentalists...

Over time, the New World repeats the past and history of the Old World?

What is the Old World? What is China? What is Russia? What is Europe?

It is Classism. It is Anti-Libertine. It is Anti-Freedom.



In the near future, more measures will be taken to Enslave all of humanity, and re-create tiers of Class structure, within humanity.

Posthumans, Transhumans, Humans, Sub-Humans, etc. all will divide based on these divisions of Class, Race, Ethnicity, and every form of distinction.

"Divide and Conquer".



Those who value Freedom/Liberty will be forced to fight, to resist such measures of forced Classism.
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