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People want to be their own gods. Is that good or evil?

Postby Greatest I am » Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:21 pm

People want to be their own gods. Is that good or evil?

The real Original Sin, then and today, to most Christians, is based on this quote.

“For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil" (Gen. 3:5).

Jesus seems to have wanted this to happen, as that would make us his brethren.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught and that Gnostic Christians have embraced.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

If Jesus wants us to know of good and evil, as a prerequisite to being born again as his brethren, it goes well with Jesus’ prediction as quoted above.

That may be why Christians sing that Adam’s sin was a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan.

I am not a literal reader of this myth, but this seems to make sense. It follows then that it makes sense for Adam to ignore Yahweh’s command not to gain an education.

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Postby Tab » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:01 am

In a word: Superhero.

God was always a wishlist to some extent. Now we see Ironman go from zero to hero when he puts on his suit and we think "yeah, I could do that."

The age of the techno-gods is upon us.
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Postby Ierrellus » Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:36 pm

To worship Jesus is idolatry. To follow Jesus is the way. There is a big difference Watts notes in Jesus interpreted as saying "I am the son of God. " and "I am a son of God." The latter is inclusive; the former is not. Jesus did not exclude anyone, but noted that all can be sons of God. This aligns with acknowledging that the kingdom is within.
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Postby felix dakat » Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:07 pm

A Wikipedia article puts Xian divinization or theopoesis or theosis in historical perspective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinization_(Christian) On the other end of the spectrum, are the notions of hubris and psychic inflation whereby persons make themselves God in their own eyes. Such is arguably the Faustian bargain that "man" made to bring in modernity. Let Nietzsche exemplify the intellectual life [and intellectual death] of a man who became a god in his own eyes.

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Postby Greatest I am » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:18 pm

Tab wrote:In a word: Superhero.

God was always a wishlist to some extent. Now we see Ironman go from zero to hero when he puts on his suit and we think "yeah, I could do that."

The age of the techno-gods is upon us.


Indeed.

God now looks like a net bully. Jesus at the temple throwing his fit.

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Postby Greatest I am » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:21 pm

Ierrellus wrote:To worship Jesus is idolatry. To follow Jesus is the way. There is a big difference Watts notes in Jesus interpreted as saying "I am the son of God. " and "I am a son of God." The latter is inclusive; the former is not. Jesus did not exclude anyone, but noted that all can be sons of God. This aligns with acknowledging that the kingdom is within.


Within us for sure.

The enlightened, like Jesus and myself now, will see heaven all around us as well.

All one needs do is ignore the trees and see the forest.

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Postby Greatest I am » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:47 pm

felix dakat wrote:A Wikipedia article puts Xian divinization or theopoesis or theosis in historical perspective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinization_(Christian) On the other end of the spectrum, are the notions of hubris and psychic inflation whereby persons make themselves God in their own eyes. Such is arguably the Faustian bargain that "man" made to bring in modernity. Let Nietzsche exemplify the intellectual life [and intellectual death] of a man who became a god in his own eyes.


My only comment is that divine is a title that must be given. It cannot be taken on by ones own desire. That would be hubris. I think we are on the same page.

I have claimed having suffered my apotheosis but take the divine out of the definition.

I am god in my own eyes, but that target, Gnostic Christians never idol worship.

The moment we think we have reached the best ideology for life, we raise the bar of excellence and seek anew.

We are perpetual seekers and stay flexible and open to better ideas. Just like the Gnostic Christian version of Jesus.

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Postby promethean75 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:11 pm

On the other end of the spectrum, are the notions of hubris and psychic inflation whereby persons make themselves God in their own eyes.


ah but none of this would appear as hubris unless you already had an imaginary symbol (god) in place to compare and contrast with. when you say 'trying to be like god', you're inserting into the observation that there is a greatness unattainable by man, who nonetheless strives to attain it, and by virtue of that lacks humility. only when you compare man to this imaginary 'god' are you able to criticize man for practicing vanity through/in his aspirations. the truth is, man isn't trying to be god, any sooner than he is trying to be a shniggle dopter... because there's no such thing.

the concept of 'god' has always been the imaginary 'check' put on extraordinary and industrious people by those who are inferior and lack ambition. nietzsche wasn't trying to be 'god'. rather he busted a cap in god's ass, and then everybody thought he was tryna take his place. that's cuz they suffer the cosmic-father complex that has been so carefully planted in their heads by two thousand years of bourgeois philosophy.

any time a nigga does something great and/or inhuman, er'body's like 'yo he tryna be like god.' no. he just being him. it's you that's like 'yo that was so great he has to be tryna be like god'.

anyway you know the whole history of the development of the anthropomorphic god archetype was modeled off of people in power. at one time there was such a radical difference between ruler and peasant that the peasants could only comprehend the ruler as inhuman cuz he was such a badass.

remember, the transition from animism to anthropomorphism required that man project his own qualities onto an imaginary designer, law maker, rule giver, governor, etc. and to do that, he had to first emulate the greatest of all known/possible human characteristics... which, incidentally, were possessed by the rulers. ergo; god was a projection of the human nature of the most exceptional people within a group. rulers weren't modeled off of zeus, but vice-versa. then, the concept becomes independently fixed for the following generations, and people begin to believe that the rulers are representatives of zeus's rule/law. this is stage one of the ruling-class subterfuge that would permeate honest philosophy for thousands of years. shit's been going on since the mesopotamia days. but i'm here to get you right, bro.

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Postby promethean75 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:22 pm

you can totally hear david byrne all over that shit. i have never heard in the history of pop a dork that could put down a groove as fat as david byrne. nigga put the moog on that joint, bro.
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Postby Greatest I am » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:29 pm

Thanks for this.

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Re: People want to be their own gods. Is that good or evil?

Postby MagsJ » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:04 pm

Greatest I am wrote:People want to be their own gods. Is that good or evil?

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Neither.. I think that is simply what it means to be human, all too human.

Be a law/a god unto ourselves, as not even parents or kin can often show us the way, let alone think or feel for us, but some guidance is good.
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Postby Greatest I am » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:00 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:People want to be their own gods. Is that good or evil?

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Neither.. I think that is simply what it means to be human, all too human.

Be a law/a god unto ourselves, as not even parents or kin can often show us the way, let alone think or feel for us, but some guidance is good.


As we grow up, indeed, we need and want guidance and education to be available to all.

At some point in time the individual will compete against others to try to show himself the fittest.

If individuals do not at some point in time decide that they are able to lead themselves and others, those individuals are what I would call sheeple.

As you might know, many are called to show their fitness by standing tall, alone, and masters of themselves.

Few hear that call. This is why most sages have pointed that out.

To Gnostic Christians, like the Cathars and their Parfait, the word god is synonymous with the fittest humans. This has to be so given that we hold no supernatural beliefs.

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Postby MagsJ » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:17 am

Greatest I am wrote:As we grow up, indeed, we need and want guidance and education to be available to all.

At some point in time the individual will compete against others to try to show himself the fittest.

Solely reserved for males? I think this comes naturally to many males, it seems hard-wired into the male psyche, sometimes to the point of self-destruction.

If individuals do not at some point in time decide that they are able to lead themselves and others, those individuals are what I would call sheeple.

I’ve not heard that word here in a long while.. I guess the term speaks for itself.

As you might know, many are called to show their fitness by standing tall, alone, and masters of themselves.

Few hear that call. This is why most sages have pointed that out.

To Gnostic Christians, like the Cathars and their Parfait, the word god is synonymous with the fittest humans. This has to be so given that we hold no supernatural beliefs.

Is there a process to follow, to achieve this aim? guidance, if you will..

When you say supernatural beliefs, what do you mean exactly.. beliefs of and in what?
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Postby Greatest I am » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:09 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:As we grow up, indeed, we need and want guidance and education to be available to all.

At some point in time the individual will compete against others to try to show himself the fittest.

Solely reserved for males? I think this comes naturally to many males, it seems hard-wired into the male psyche, sometimes to the point of self-destruction.

If individuals do not at some point in time decide that they are able to lead themselves and others, those individuals are what I would call sheeple.

I’ve not heard that word here in a long while.. I guess the term speaks for itself.

As you might know, many are called to show their fitness by standing tall, alone, and masters of themselves.

Few hear that call. This is why most sages have pointed that out.

To Gnostic Christians, like the Cathars and their Parfait, the word god is synonymous with the fittest humans. This has to be so given that we hold no supernatural beliefs.

Is there a process to follow, to achieve this aim? guidance, if you will..

When you say supernatural beliefs, what do you mean exactly.. beliefs of and in what?


Faith based talking serpents and donkeys and a genocidal god that is still somehow good, are a couple of examples of supernatural and childish thinking.

Quite immoral teachings as well.

As to the guidance or salvation you seek, if I might be allowed to use a fitting analogy, here is what my mantra Jesus taught as the way to your salvation.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

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Postby phenomenal_graffiti » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:30 pm

It's ridiculous.
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Postby MagsJ » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:21 pm

Greatest I am wrote:Faith based talking serpents and donkeys and a genocidal god that is still somehow good, are a couple of examples of supernatural and childish thinking.

Quite immoral teachings as well.

When young, such concepts are biblical fairytales, which we grow out of with age.. along with our childhood and believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy.

Why can’t we believe without believing the impossible biblical sentiments? A test of faith, perhaps, of loyalty?

As to the guidance or salvation you seek, if I might be allowed to use a fitting analogy, here is what my mantra Jesus taught as the way to your salvation.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Matthew 6:22 is a fitting analogy for my East/West mindset, as it is in-keeping with an Ignostic outlook on any Spiritual practice.

Perhaps we were all Ignostic, before the creation of religion and Polytheism and such? so just prior to us looking outside of ourselves for guidance, on all aspects of our lives.
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Postby phenomenal_graffiti » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:57 pm

Then there's the external world and the secrets residing there, which may for all we know contain Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Or most likely, God.
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Postby Greatest I am » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:23 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:Faith based talking serpents and donkeys and a genocidal god that is still somehow good, are a couple of examples of supernatural and childish thinking.

Quite immoral teachings as well.

When young, such concepts are biblical fairytales, which we grow out of with age.. along with our childhood and believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy.

Why can’t we believe without believing the impossible biblical sentiments? A test of faith, perhaps, of loyalty?

As to the guidance or salvation you seek, if I might be allowed to use a fitting analogy, here is what my mantra Jesus taught as the way to your salvation.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Matthew 6:22 is a fitting analogy for my East/West mindset, as it is in-keeping with an Ignostic outlook on any Spiritual practice.

Perhaps we were all Ignostic, before the creation of religion and Polytheism and such? so just prior to us looking outside of ourselves for guidance, on all aspects of our lives.


We have had temples and nature worship for at least 57,000 years. That is how old the oldest serpent temples are.

I can see why we would want to invent gods, as the epitome of being the fittest humans, but to invent gods and then let them rule over us is stupid.

We are to rule over them and not them over us.

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Postby Greatest I am » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:26 pm

phenomenal_graffiti wrote:Then there's the external world and the secrets residing there, which may for all we know contain Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Or most likely, God.


Let us pray that the religious recognize fantasy from reality soon.

Their fantasy god, Yahweh, is a satanic god, and Christians and Muslims should learn the difference between good and evil.

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Postby phenomenal_graffiti » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:46 pm

Unfortunately disbelief does not constitute fact. When talking about things that can exist in the external world, things can indeed exist regardless of whether one believes it or not.
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Postby Greatest I am » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:52 pm

phenomenal_graffiti wrote:Unfortunately disbelief does not constitute fact. When talking about things that can exist in the external world, things can indeed exist regardless of whether one believes it or not.


I was not disputing the reality of Yahweh even as I know he is fiction.

I was pointing out that Christians see their genocidal Yahweh as good when he is obviously evil.

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Postby phenomenal_graffiti » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:14 pm

You know that he's fictional; I suppose that's it then.
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Postby Greatest I am » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:34 am

phenomenal_graffiti wrote:You know that he's fictional; I suppose that's it then.


If foolish enough to think Yahweh is real, and you still kneel to that genocidal prick, you show how he can make moral people do immoral things.

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Postby MagsJ » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:11 pm

Greatest I am wrote:We have had temples and nature worship for at least 57,000 years. That is how old the oldest serpent temples are.

What part of the world was that? and why serpent worship? were these poisonous ones by any chance..? to kill thine enemy with a snake bite or toss them into a pit full of snakes and so into an agonising death..

I can see why we would want to invent gods, as the epitome of being the fittest humans, but to invent gods and then let them rule over us is stupid.

We are to rule over them and not them over us.

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..or coexist in a harmonious union? One dominating over the other, has proved not to lead to the furtherment of humankind, but hinder it by the struggle of power and wills.
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Postby phenomenal_graffiti » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:47 pm

...or coexist in a harmonious union? One dominating over the other, has proved not to lead to the furtherment of humankind, but hinder it by the struggle of power and wills.


Unless man's relationship with God is a "Duck Amuck" situation, with man being Daffy Duck and God Bugs Bunny.
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