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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:00 pm

Lol, like I said, poetic vision you got. And I say this as a guy who understands that truth is more or less the place where poetry and philosophy intersect, it does not make you untruthful or detached from reality.

But my points, my brilliant insights into politics, all that is war by other means, you do not address any of them. Because I do not speak poetics. And you seem not to be able to talk straight brilliant.

This may seem like an attack or that I'm not a big fan of your poetry. I am. That post you linked to, that's my kind of poet. That's raw truth, and only poetry because of the cojones it takes to write it down and publish it, that will make people not take it literally (minus the ones that simply will not have an inkling you even said anything).

Maybe to the extent that I unmasked you is the sense in which I always did take you literally. I'm clever like that.

When you start doing that, taking men literally, you run into that brilliant insight of Baudrillard's which is that what they are hiding is that they are hiding nothing. Only people with this insight will understand the true genious of what I write, all these weasels trying to see what I'm hiding. U.S.A. bitch. I ain't hiding shit.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:22 pm

My dear friend Brian (I take that liberty because you had the audacity to call me peter), what I sincerely believe is that they want us to treat eachother as worthless animals and to act like such.

What I propose is that we treat eachother like men. We're not supposed to. If we do just that, that will already be their defeat.

Commies almost had that insight, you know with the whole comrade thing. But the distance encompassed by that almost is the distance between genocidal totalitarianism and freedom.

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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:27 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:But my points, my brilliant insights into politics, all that is war by other means, you do not address any of them. Because I do not speak poetics. And you seem not to be able to talk straight brilliant.
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Its not war if no one addresses it.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby promethean75 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:40 pm

Nuh-uh I called you Pedro. And it couldn't have been a typo either because I just checked all my devices; none of the auto corrects turned pedro into peter. I can't believe I just spent two minutes doing this. You must be interesting to me. Weird.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:47 pm

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Sure it is. The declaration is the war, the response is already that: a response.

My words be writ. Keen observers will notice. Or not, I don't really fucking care, like Mamet says, these thoughts are just like diseases I gotta say out loud to be cured from.

I know because, even though so much of the political warfare that went on in Venezuela went unaddressed, plenty of the tactics and strategies employed are being used today at the highest levels.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:48 pm

Wanna talk about innovation?

It will take centuries for people to acknowledge just how much of an innovater ol' Chavez was, God rest that beautiful motherfucker's soul.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:52 pm

His opponents too.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Antithesis » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:10 am

Communist dictatorship and democratic socialism are not equivalent, and both were instituted in the early 20th century, the former by the Russians and the latter Americans and Europeans.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Antithesis » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:20 am

Democratic socialism was not invented by shrieky millennials wearing eyeliner in the 21st.

Get your facts straight, bucko.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:17 am

I commend your pride. A national pride which produces aesthetics.
To be honest the quality I've seen of you here I've commented earlier on.
As I said you could produce a kind of political The Catcher in the Rye.

Art is often a kind of spat out poison.

Aesthetic Poison.

Human Merit.

Great stuff.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:22 pm

Latin/Hispanic America thus has a debutante on da philosophical scene. Never was a place to inspire great writers, let alone scientists.

But as we say "when there is one sheep over the dam, more will follow".

I'll keep an eye on the place.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:52 pm

(That is to say, giving condescending compliments is an old tactic.)
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:49 pm

That didn't sound condescending. It was actually quite motivating. At least genuinely flattering.

Except the thing about hispanic america and art. We have some of the best literature I've ever read. But we still have some of that old imperial pride, it's really only meant to be and possible to be enjoyed by hispanic Americans.

Ain't gonna be no other like me. I'm the only one that likes the US enough to adapt to their asthetic standards. I mean we have plenty of aspiring US copycats, but I don't consider it the same thing. They see it as adapting US style to Venezuela or wherever, I consider myself a globel citizen, so to speak, like composers that moved to Venice. And anyway, millenials ruined everything anyway. All our great writers are dead.

But no, it is actually quite inspiring.

I alwyas told you to be more serious about art and forget the whole politics or straight intellectual thing. You took that as condescending. I get that a lot, appearently I'm a condescending person. It is not by design, I do not actually notice it.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:00 pm

The reason I think Hispanic America has achieved the highest level of intellectuality on Earf is that our intellectuals always understood themselves as writing in the wilderness. Unlike the Europeans or North Americans, we never bothered to wonder how to distill genious from dirt, we took the European innovations as givens and applied it into the dirty world. It resulted in the kinds of questions so innocent and eurodite, so beside the monkey and the snake and the ants, that it went wway fucking farther than I've seen Europe or North America go. Those guys pace themselves, you know what I mean?

Only writer that gets close to understanding how Hispanic American writers question is Stephen King.

But I do concede, I still think the grand prize is in the US. Hispanic America has a ceiling that the US does not have. In important ways, US is even much more innocent than Hispanic America. Less self-important. That's the key, yes, true gringo artists are not self-important. That's one thing we did not shake off from Europeans.

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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:01 pm

Also why gringos have been the only ones so far to compose music that enters the Venetian continuity, 50's and early 60's jazz.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:05 pm

I'm proud to be of my part of the planet. I consider Venezuela only to be a place.

Anyone that limits themselves to a nationality, the aspiring universe that is a nation, already lost the big game.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:08 pm

If anything your "condescension" works too well. It strokes my vanity too much, gets my eye off the ball.

Not that it's too important. I like ilp, and enjoy the outlet to express some thoughts. But the real game is, as you implied with your insult, in making the billions. As per the post you linked, if you can't think of what to do with billions once you have them, you are a faliure and a shame to the human race.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:14 pm

Stephen King is great.





Anyway, glad thats actually really clear. Yes. Weirdly the people with the most billions seem completely unable to spend them in any cool ways. That is the fault of Socialism, which replaced any impulse that reeked of genuine appreciation.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:28 pm

The fun thing about any Hispanic American friend Ive had is that they are so eminently disdainful of what on occasions theyll simply brave to call "white people".
This is refreshing. Especially since I dance rather well it is fun to talk to Hispanic Americans about "white people".

Another friend of mine, the Chilean-Brazilean, I tested this stuff on him a few days ago, saying that for a white man the spirits are pretty complicated. He nodded approvingly in the dark. Then he went on to slander the white man a bit and forced me on the defensive, which as a white man is the offensive. I said well, the white man has the power to be at peace. He isnt at peace, but he has the power to be. He then said how much he hated it that I was actually literally taking up the position of the white man. But I was really just talking as a mellow Viking. Anyway, Hispanic Americans are the only ones with the will to address The White Man to his face. They clearly dont feel threatened. Not more than they feel superior.

This chemistry gives me good expectations of the future of Hispanic America. It is certainly the "other Europe" the way the states are arranged. Much can be set up there to thrive for millennia.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:08 pm

Lets be clear, White Man is always said by non whites or also-whites from a nonwhite pathos, so it is impossible not to sense it as a derogatory term.



The only solution for this I found in what turned out to be my actual ethnicity, the type of dirt that turned me up. It turned me into a tribal man, changed all the laws. So thats what youre looking at in the future of the White Man - his admitting to non-universal dominance, dominance in his realm only, and then only under his gods and ancestors.

Science happened. Perhaps Christianity only happened to create enough inwardness and recluse to continue science. Perhaps then Hispanic America has a number of centuries of genius discovery ahead of it.

Schools can be started now.
The School of Genius Discovery. I think itd be well located on the Equator.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:17 pm

Because they arent getting anywhere at CERN.
from within the grapevine.

Colliding particles isnt seeming to be conductive of the best way to cognize their relation.

Anyway what is there to invent now but Earth? We need to know this in order to colonize Jupiters satellites anyway.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:50 pm

Money is color-blind.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:12 pm

And in fact it is money, capital, that is our only weapon against white supremacists and any other sumbitch thinks they have some kind of in-nate authority.

That is what it is a weapon against. What it is a weapon for, well, that is where the real beauty is.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:29 pm

'so it is impossible not to sense it as a derogatory term."

Fucking white people...

Nah but I couldn't help myself. The truth is that true capitalism is incapable of discriminating. Even white people.

What must be crushed is the White Man as a political impulse.

Btw, yours is cute and playful compared to lefties. Zizek doesn't do a horrible job of pointing it out, unnecesarily jargon heavy as he is. By claiming "universality," they effectively make the distance between them and others even more absolute than race. Or try. Meanwhile, we laugh at them. Fucking white people.
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