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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:56 pm

"You dont know what this is? Wel sirree/little lady, thasts exactly why you need one!
-Capitalissimo

Shit is brutal. Going door to door to create markets before any desire to consume exists.

Evolution works the same way. Why do you think animals have shapes, at all?

But let me beware of going to deep.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:59 pm

Well here's the thing, your argument so far is "I prefer communism." I know it's rhetorical in the sense I'm pretty convinced you prefer capitalism.

When you put it that way, I can only say "cool dog, see you out there."

"Good to know there are gentlemen on the other side."

Mask me, unmask me, have your fun. It's what everybody else here has been doing, not really a game I find very interesting. But by all means.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:05 pm

Youre a bad reader.

But a decent writer.

As long as Im not the one youre replying to thats cool.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:09 pm

Im the only Capitalist in this thread, the only one who ever launched any products that sold.

Youre a goddamn anarchist for all I know.

Stop toying with yo mind bruach.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:10 pm

I'm sure you're not the only one that feels that way.

I'm not a bad reader. I just tend to know what y'all are talking about better than y'all, unless in the possible scenario that some of y'all are purposefully making arguments that are less informed than y'all are.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:14 pm

Launch a product that sold? Like what?

Don't answer that. Perhaps in the very question you can see why gentlemen prefer to speak about the issues, and not each man's personal standing regarding this or that.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:18 pm

Anyway. Some of the greatest socialists in history have been successful capitalists.

21 Savage just got thrown in jail for spouting some socialist shit. One hell of an entrepreneur, that man.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:21 pm

Or Jay-Z. Possibly one of the greatest capitalists of our time.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:23 pm

Capitalism is the Demiurg. Its not about individuals as entities but about stirring will from the ground. The larger the group thats animated by this will the better. Thats why the best products are scientific miracles. Why music is technolofied to amp your pleasures.

Communism is just one bold fucking move that the Russians played to show that their soul wasnt as easy to buy as that of their examples in the west. They entirely removed the horizon.

Since the USSR was at its peak the world-market has been one.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:24 pm

"I can't answer any of the genious shit you say, so Imma call you a broke-ass joke."

Well, at least it's refreshing to get attacked from the capitalist side. I do appreciate it.

First one to a mill buys the other a Porsche.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:27 pm

Yes, Jay Z did well. He sold coke and rapped about it until his raps were yielding more than his coke. Thats how you prove shit in the science.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:29 pm

But a Porsche from the 60's. These new models look like an attempt to combat Freudian castration.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:31 pm

And it is ONLY about individuals as entities.

That other shit you say, that's what these silly-ass succesful capitlaists keep appologizing for.

Them's the chains.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:32 pm

See you around you beautiful communist bastard.

I read your book.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:41 pm

Blood flows thicker than water.
Till we meet again, Don Pedro.

- I like these terms. Better than the ones we set earlier. Not sure about the 60s thing, I prefer American cars from that age. Montreal seems a righteous place for a Cadillac.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:45 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:And it is ONLY about individuals as entities.

I continue to be skeptical.

One word: chemistry.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:47 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Launch a product that sold? Like what?

Don't answer that. Perhaps in the very question you can see why gentlemen prefer to speak about the issues, and not each man's personal standing regarding this or that.


It was pretty high end. Sold like gold. Fcourse I wasnt greedy enough.
But in general I sold many visual narrative concepts as a designer of commercials and tv programs. Its just what was out there to sell was no where by near close enough to what I would buy.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:56 pm

My spare time writing diverted me from my directorial career. I could simply not root in the type of tastes that were running the mouth.

What is there to sell in a declining world? Mostly distractions. I dont like these as products, they require too much upkeep.
High maintenance products arent my game.

But now there is a fresh new world for putting things down that will last forever. That kind of deal bores most capitalists, Apple complains that people are using their iphones for too long, its not good to have a lastable product. Thats not to me an ideal sort of mindset, and it is a good sign that these products withstand the producers will to have them be obsolete. Its a sign the products are becoming one with out life tissue, that we are cyborgs. No longer consumers of the product but consumed by our consumption of it, we are now supernatural in our capacity to receive and represent. I see this again as Demiurgic, at least when Im looking for a parallel in myth and symbol. But I realize the term probably has a negative connotation.

In any case there is no stopping it, so thats what philosophy really has to address. Philosophy contra Communism as a preserver of Capital.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:09 pm

We all have stories and great ideas. With love, cause me too, but you know. Be careful where you hang your legitimacy.

Jakob wrote:Blood flows thicker than water.
Till we meet again, Don Pedro.

- I like these terms. Better than the ones we set earlier. Not sure about the 60s thing, I prefer American cars from that age. Montreal seems a righteous place for a Cadillac.


A Caddy it is, then.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:38 pm

Im not especially proud of having sold stuff I made but I must admit to the reality of it in this context. They werent stories. They were... experiences, licenses, paths, you know, Capitalistic fiber. I have a taste for it. Thats not the same as storytelling, its more insidious, it is allowing people to tell themselves stories. Thats Product.

Yeah because with the potholes in Rosemont, I doubt a Porsche could even survive.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:46 pm

I'm just saying. A capitalist, a proper capitalist, doesn't make things. He devises production systems that generate financial returns.

I myself have done a thing or two I consider of great value. Does not a capitalist make.

Anyway.

Ia survive just fine, you just gotta know how to dodge 'em.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:51 pm

Lol, and that's not what I meant by stories. I meant the "I woulda been a rich entrepreneur except..."

We all have those.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:35 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I'm just saying. A capitalist, a proper capitalist, doesn't make things. He devises production systems that generate financial returns.

The returns mostly went to others, but I devised them and earned from it.

[I myself have done a thing or two I consider of great value. Does not a capitalist make.

The value Ive produced far exceeds anything Ive sold or tried to sell.
But I know my way around the free market. Somewhat.

My plan for the Philosophers Clan was to make a Product out of the spirit for internet philosophy. But things got in the way. As expected, naturally. Because there wasnt a stict enough angle. But even in failure the enterpriseling produced some produce that will later be forged into product.

As an entrepreneur, I dont need to produce the value, I need to see it, and combine, to cause value to beget a returning harvest of money.
Look, Ive been completely stranded capitalistically by the power of philosophy that swept me, a philosophy of value. I understand what it is that Im not currently doing. But that story of weve all been down that road is the masses' story, but the magic of money is having an eye for what is different, for experience and for latent value that can be exploited.

Philosophy can be exploited as a stimulant. Weve talked about this in the guise of that other science.
Seeing where the potential lies for a big reaction. Capitalism is chemistry, a chemists approach to psychology and need.

That to harvest, one must sow. Not all that is sown bears immediate fruit. Rarely anything does.
The idea is not to trample the ground where one has sown. That is all. The weather will do the rest.

Youre all standing on mountains of wealth. All these readers. But wealth doesnt make for a capitalist mindset. Its like the chicken and the egg.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:38 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Lol, and that's not what I meant by stories. I meant the "I woulda been a rich entrepreneur except..."

We all have those.

Ah, but I dont.

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