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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:15 am

Most people can't be wealthy cuz. The sooner y'all commies accept this, the sooner we can avoid y'alls devolution into fascism. Which is inevitable in a communist that doesn't have the hard fucking stone of a Russian or a Chinaman. The lack of ego that is not due to spiritual evolution, but having weathered enough bad weather.

Only few can be wealthy because relativity theory.

"you're not going to not picture in your head a cooking utensil that dices onions because you live in a high-rise apartment in moscow in 1982."

And yet nobody did.

Think about this, because this is the greatest fallacy standing between you and political enlightenment. If you are coming up with ideas just for the whatever drives a good idea and not cashmoney, congratulations, you are a philosopher. Only philosophy exists in that arena. And maybe science. Sure, science too. Psychology I guess... Anyway, nothing conducive to mass production.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:18 am

And yes, communism is far more resilient than capitalism. It is made of older stuff.

This is not the argument against it.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby promethean75 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:20 am

I can't post right now because my country is in a state of emergency. Miguel and Felipe are coming with plans to murder, rape, steal, sell drugs, and do landscaping under the table. Our security level has been upgraded to the highest level, defcon Juan, and all Americans have been instructed by executive order to travel to Texas and help hold the boarder. It might be a while before I can respond. My country needs my full attention right now.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:21 am

Drama queen...
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:24 pm

SigH.

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS COMMUNISM

yes of course i am.


Pansies.


Means Im the only one who understands Capitalism too.



WAR, assholes.

Learn to fucking deal with it.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:30 pm

Both are European inventions.
America is a European invention as well.
Venetian-Dutch, then English.

Without knowing roots you are capable of understanding absolutely nothing.

So, study Venice, study Amsterdam and Antwerp, then study London, then try again to say something valid about concentration of wealth.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:51 pm

The idea that Communism is about anger and poverty is an insult. Thats slave revolt. Slave revolt doesnt put people in space.
It is about conquest, and this is also what Capitalism is about.

Rap music isnt about self-expression, it is about conquest. So was the hippie-music era. None of all that is addressed with the proper understanding here, even though Morally it might all be very interesting.

The world is being conquered all the time, that is the point Nietzsche makes. We live in the glorious age where its first full scale conquest has become possible.



You think this guy was a peace-activist?

Stop moralizing.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:55 pm

If philosophical, um, dudes, and dudettes, werent such fucking moralizing pansies they could actually take a stake in this conquest.

Thats what has always frustrated me. All this time since 2006 Ive been on about getting something off the ground. But even when it works, people are like "uhhh like, this person is actually, um, doing something, what an asshole, lets gang up and make it absolutely clear that philosophy is really dumb and impotent".
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:05 pm

Phuckeurz.

One thing any conquest begins with is Loyalty.
That you have a bunch of people who have it in their hearts to not just be worried about how they look, to each other, from second to second.

People with Heart, who know they are winning no matter what they undertake. Then, they might lose here and there. But given as theyre so winning they actually take great lessons from any lost bout. And get back up and start winning again.
If youve got a bunch of such people together, you can get anywhere.

But... philosophy, apparently, is still only about vainglorious bonsai climbers who debate things like "parbleu but if I say this and then this have I really said the inverse-reverse of what you just said that I said?"
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:47 pm

Lol no, I've given up on loyalty. But that's another thing capitalism provides for. It gives solid things to replace it, the red-faced smiles of whisky chugging businessmen in country-clubs. You can't call it loyalty, but it sure ain't fragile.

In fact, loyalty is one of the things anti-capitalists crave for and cry about. They miss the old state of affairs where filiation was imposed by the sword and represented by a sigul. There is no "we have an understanding" in communism. Understanding itself is an enemy. Reasonableness is the enemy.

Money talks. That is the only law. That's how a fourth generation descendant of slaves can be a magnate.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:56 pm

Capitalism is just a lot more fun, that's the real argument for it.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:06 pm

Youve got the country club fellows wrong.
The country club stands for loyalty.

See, this is were it started. A few blokes deciding to be loyal to each other. Happened under a tree. The stockmarket was born.

That money talks isn't the question or the explanation for how this dude GOT his money.

I guess fair enough to divide Communists up in American Communists and Eurasian ones. What you say would apply in America. Here, reason and Reasonableness is pretty much what Communism stood for. I.e. against fascism and against the premodern feudalism that then was Capitalism.

Shit is complex dogg-O.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:16 pm

This is how money started, currency. It took a few men of means deciding they'd honour some agreement between them. Only then could some economic mechanism appear and seduce less-loyal slobsabitches into the loop.

Shit mayne. Gotta think these things through to the first scheme.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:17 pm

Stands for loyalty? Watch one of them go broke, see how fast the others forget about him.

Under that tree, in New York I presume you mean, that was the exact opposite. The agreement that loyalty was both impossible and silly. That was what we call an understanding.

And, unless you mean the USSR was American communism, I do hope you are joking. And yes, prior to 1900 or so capitalism as we know it was still in its infancy, still very much attached to old ways of doing things. But the germs for the destruction of those ways was embedded, and people in charge were more aware of that than you might believe.

Only reason kings made use of capitalists, like the Dutch slave traders and public companies, or Italian adventurers, was the same reason capitalism was to prevail in the end: the devastating edge it gave them against other kings. They tried to keep as much of a leash on it as they could, but even then they knew it wouldn't last. But it was preferable for them all to perish than for a rival to prevail.

And perish they did, son. Perish they did.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:22 pm

You're spinning myhs. The Dutch King? Who might that have been?

And you mean watch them force government to bail out their bankrupted friends? I did watch.

Don't cha know if one of them falls they all feel the cold breeze.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:25 pm

What prevailed was Science.

Capitalism as a means of subjugation backward hordes is just the long arm of science.

Just generally brighter and more ballsy people prevailed.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:26 pm

And when you say Eurasian, I hope you are not including the middle East.

Let's look at the surviving USSR satellites: Iran and Siria. Let's look at some of the Republican satellites: Egypt and Iraq. Well Iraq was later cannibalized by retarded Neocons, but was the absolute image of sanity and enlightenment when compared to Siria and Iran. Lybia is a weird outlier there. Communism did seem to suit it better than the alternative. But one wonders what might have happened if a staunch republican had taken over there.

As for the Islamist fascists, those are all nazis and by extention communists. Proletarian revolts against capitalism.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:27 pm

"Don't cha know if one of them falls they all feel the cold breeze."

Even though what you are describing here is a half-state half-business corporatist monster with a truly healthy dose of socialism injected before that collapse happened, that a cold breeze should have to be held as a reason to stick together already speaks of an understanding and against any such thing as loyalty.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:29 pm

Dutch corporations did not work for Republican or Democratic governments, now dzzid they?

And anyway, who profited from slave trade carried out by capitalists in politics? Other than, ultimately, capitalists? King of Spain comes to mind. Queen of England there also... Shit IS complex dog. But not THAT complex.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:32 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:And when you say Eurasian, I hope you are not including the middle East.

Let's look at the surviving USSR satellites: Iran and Siria. Let's look at some of the Republican satellites: Egypt and Iraq. Well Iraq was later cannibalized by retarded Neocons, but was the absolute image of sanity and enlightenment when compared to Siria and Iran. Lybia is a weird outlier there. Communism did seem to suit it better than the alternative. But one wonders what might have happened if a staunch republican had taken over there.

As for the Islamist fascists, those are all nazis and by extention communists. Proletarian revolts against capitalism.



No dude. Syria was like a less hellish Iraq.
And Iran stands on 4000 years of tradition and went through several completely differing leaderships in the 20th century.

It's France that owns the Khomeini revolution, they flew him in straight from the Sorbonne.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:35 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Dutch corporations did not work for Republican or Democratic governments, now dzzid they?

And anyway, who profited from slave trade carried out by capitalists in politics? Other than, ultimately, capitalists? King of Spain comes to mind. Queen of England there also... Shit IS complex dog. But not THAT complex.


Jeezus.
A lifetime of study of the 80 year war 's in order.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:36 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:"Don't cha know if one of them falls they all feel the cold breeze."

Even though what you are describing here is a half-state half-business corporatist monster with a truly healthy dose of socialism injected before that collapse happened, that a cold breeze should have to be held as a reason to stick together already speaks of an understanding and against any such thing as loyalty.


Do I hear someone say "should"?
You lost the argument right there gringo.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:40 pm

I think I've unmasked you as an ideologue.
Where Capitalism is just the way things are in science-land.

No Capitalism without the Archimedes-Newton lineage.
The way things Be. The ontological tyranny.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:48 pm

"I don't know what it is, but it's out there, and it's for sale."

Capitalissimo.
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Re: Why We Don't Like You Anymore

Postby Jakob » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:49 pm

"Our loyal investors have granted us the opportunity..."
-Capitalissimo
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