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Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:09 am

I loved Obama. He was a black dude, a cool black dude, running for president of the goddamn USofA.

And listen, I get it. It's not only that this is a good reason, it's the only reason you need. People in Africa still wear Change shirts. The inhabitants and descendants of Africa have been treated to such a series of of fucked up, it is one of the greatest vindications in human memory.

But let's go back. There was Miles Davis and Coltrane and Charles Mingus. What were those guys? Charlie Parker? Thelonious Monk? They wore suits. They were elegance and sophistication itself, Thelonious' albums routinely featured the high end modern art of the day. They were high culture and high cultured. The republican dream. None of the black vindication shit, just taking America and commanding the top, no racial history.

Is thtat right? Is that the right thing? I mean, is it correct to just overlook slavery and segregation and all of what those two things mean in terms of heritage for black kids today? The burden?

Obama or Mingus (I think Mingus is the unsung hero)?

I mean, these guys put themselves up there in musical history with Vivaldi and Bach and Beethoven. People in 500 years will still freak. They just calmly inserted themselves there, in the upper echelons of westorn continuity.

Is that more important than slavery?

Looking at Obama. If we judge him on Mingus terms, he was an absolute falure, an epic betrayal, even expost facto. Thanks to Breitbart, the guy, Andrew Breitbart, we now know he was up to some of the classic old rotten political shennanigans before being President with Acorn and a scam where black farmers were supposed to get whatchamacallit money for being descendants of slaves, except the black farmers never got the money and it was a huge scam that made Obama and some people money and some good deomcrat-kosher publicity. After that, as president, he did exactly nothing of what he promised, change the whole system to make it cool on people, which we now know can't be done anyway in the first place, socialism is intrinsically impersonal because of the bearocracy required to make it run, aside from all its other great shortcomings and insults to humankind, but also did a bunch of things extra that were psychopathic at best. Empowering Iran, wrecking all of mediteranian Arabia pluis Northern Africa, like demolishing it completely, making Iraq look like a not-too-bad job, expanding the creepy CIA your-computer-is-watching-you shit a lot, just being a horrible dude. Prison system didn't change, black neighbourhoods didn't change. Ain't shit changed except for the worse.

But the vindication stands. He is still a cool black dude that won the presidency of the USofA.

Why do I default to republican? Because, other than its great achievements like with the Jazz dudes, that IS the republican dream, its idea of integrating into and making great even i means forgetting horrible shit of history, it is the only safeguard against true psychos taking over. People don't understand how decicive the US has been in creating this relatively free world we have. They don't understand how drastically different it would be. How very drastically different.

We need the US, cause everything else really, REALLY sucks. Bunch o backward ass lunatics.

Better than the alternative. While I admit I cannot decide on the fundamental inward issue, of greatness vs vindication, it takes me less than a second to look at a map of the globe and go yeah, no, USA motherfucker.

MAGA

Fuck it.

Because the other dilemma is not clear cut in any case. The case for the republican dream is strong. Just... Damn... Slavery was kinda fucked up.

But it's close enough tha the other thing tilts it decisively.
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:25 am

Hmm.. I kinda hate this post. It's the personal issues in my life, making me soft and womanly. Rush would be disappointed.

Fuck Obama.

Fuck revengism.

Make America fucking Great Again.

Got Trump.

Go TRUMP!

U
S
A

And go 21 Savage. That's who Trump works for. Lower taxes for Offset.
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Re: Obama

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:41 pm

making Iraq look like a not-too-bad job,

Yeah he makes Rumsfeld look good.
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:54 pm

Yea, iss deep. Communist propaganda goes deep.

Thankfully, staunch individualism, trusting only one's self and one's own assessment of reality (without ever ignoring others', that's not what this is about), is a guaranteed, if possibly drawn-out and painful, cure.
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:00 pm

"What is good?"

"I don't know, work it out son."
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Re: Obama

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:52 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Yea, iss deep. Communist propaganda goes deep.

Thankfully, staunch individualism, trusting only one's self and one's own assessment of reality (without ever ignoring others', that's not what this is about), is a guaranteed, if possibly drawn-out and painful, cure.



K: Here in this one post, we see why conservatism is such a failure.....
and the interesting thing will be that "Pedro" will have absolutely no
idea why his beliefs are a failure or why the beliefs of conservatives are
a failure.....

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Re: Obama

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:09 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Yea, iss deep. Communist propaganda goes deep.

Thankfully, staunch individualism, trusting only one's self and one's own assessment of reality (without ever ignoring others', that's not what this is about), is a guaranteed, if possibly drawn-out and painful, cure.



K: Here in this one post, we see why conservatism is such a failure.....
and the interesting thing will be that "Pedro" will have absolutely no
idea why his beliefs are a failure or why the beliefs of conservatives are
a failure.....

Kropotkin

See Rengel this is the sort of stuff consensus is made of.

Some person who is ten lifetime away from braving the first step of logic being able to blubber some words and another person who speaks the same language actually being able to suspect that he is saying something.

He is not.

Language is overrated dude.

Its all about method.
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:10 pm

Ain't nobody can consent to what he said. He didn't say nothin'!
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Re: Obama

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:12 pm

For good or ill

The method the liberals are using is killing millions of people and enlisting hordes of remorseless morons like the one you just witnessed in action to pretend to themselves and each other, en masse, that it didnt happen.
Thats consensus, all it is ever good for. Lies.
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:12 pm

I don't think you're giving the word consensus enough credit...
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:15 pm

Consensus requires ponderation.

He clearly did not ponder a single thing I ever wrote. Consensus is not even an issue here.

Collectivism does NOT require consensus. That would imply that the members have some ability to to decide things.
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:16 pm

"Pedro" he says.

First time anyone implied my name was actually an asset. It's kinda nice.
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Re: Obama

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:17 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I don't think you're giving the word consensus enough credit...


Yeah I guess you want to stick to your guns, even if they shoot little flags saying "bang!"

You didnt appreciate the gunpowder I gave you.

Because... what...
It would disturb the precious consensus.

Or worse... you have no use for it.


I hope its not the latter.
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:18 pm

But then, I BEEN on camera. My personhood can easily be assertained through a brief review of this board's history.

Whereas this K fellow... "Kropotkin."
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:19 pm

Because my politics depends on people having the ability for thought and taking positions they are responsible for.

Who is responsible for a method? Nobody, it already assumes a whole lot that was never discussed or consented to.
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Re: Obama

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:19 pm

I actually take science seriously. Being a scientist and all.

Goddamn this ... marketplace.

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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:21 pm

Do you, I dunno, agree that water displacement says something about volume?
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:22 pm

Otherwise Obama could just say "i dunno, the method just failed I guess."

Obama. Now there is a man of method. Never in his life did he ask himself what he himself would think or decide. Other than to follow method.
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:23 pm

Algorithms and shit...

I don't answer to no fucking machine.
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:29 pm

Codes.

"Live by the code."

God fucking forbid you lived by your own capacity to reason and figure shit out.

Let something outside yourself be your measure, sure. that's what free men do.

NOT

Fucking asshole.
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:47 pm

But this is an interesting avenue, let's explore it further.

Why is the mention of consensus, "scientific consensus," such a surefire win for leftists? because, thanks to the magnificent USofA, it has become reflex to assume that ultimate authority lies in individuals. when they say consensus, scientific consensus, tey are claiming there are scientists, individualists by nature, who all agree on certain things.

Of course, this relies on people ACCEPTING that "consensus," obeying that collective of scientists, and enver ever ever actually engaging in an act of consensus, which would require knowing what exactly it is these supposed scientists are saying and what they are basing it on and how it corresponds with the real world, with things that acutally happen or not in an observable way.

See the beauty of observability is that it relies on an observer. An individual.
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:49 pm

"Take my word for it" is self-evidently not consensus, which is what these leftists do when they appeal to "scientific consensus. "
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Re: Obama

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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:52 pm

Also funny, they say scientists who question this "scientific consensus" which is actually a political consensus are working for oil companies, who have a political agenda and they do it for the money.

Tell me, dear esteemed leftist, who is paying for all the global warming science? Do they get paid, say, considerably more than scientists who question man made global warming? Not even question, submit to scientific scrutiny?
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Re: Obama

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:11 pm

Like here's the thing.

I am far, far, faaar more informed about foreign policy and geopolitics than any of these people here discussing it with me. But what do I tell 'em? Take my word for it? Listen to me, I know?

No. I say look it up.

Look

That

Shit

Up

Trust YOURSELF. No goddamn body else.
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