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Postby barbarianhorde » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:33 pm

Hume, who the consensus thing is from was to science what the NYT is to Trumpian job growth.
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Re: Top Ten List

Postby barbarianhorde » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:00 pm

Hume, man. Fuck him.
All he ever did was creating consensus that Newton's laws could be broken at any given moment because... um. .... "text".
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Re: Top Ten List

Postby brevel_monkey » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:20 am

10. Academia has all but killed jazz. Same with philosophy.


Most of your list looks boringly uncontraversial. Philosophy is only about language? Well, philosophy is about thought and we think in language, so...

This statement looks interesting though. Do you mean that academia killed philosophy, or philosophy killed jazz?
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Re: Top Ten List

Postby Faust » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:44 am

Academia has killed philosophy. In part by continuing to argue over boring and uncontroversial ideas.
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Re: Top Ten List

Postby Chakra Superstar » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:29 am

Faust wrote:Academia has killed philosophy. In part by continuing to argue over boring and uncontroversial ideas.

"...You see, a philosopher is sort of intellectual yokel who gawks at things that sensible people take for granted. And sensible people say, existence, it’s nothing at all, just go on and do something. See, this is the current movement in philosophy, “logical analysis”, which says: you mustn’t think about existence, it’s a meaningless concept. Therefore, philosophy has become a discussion of trivia.

No good philosopher lies awake nights, worrying about the destiny of Man, and the nature of God, and that sort of thing because a philosopher today is a practical fellow who comes to the university with a briefcase at 9:00 and leaves at 5:00. He “does philosophy” during the day, which is discussing whether certain sentences have meaning and if so what, and – as William Earle said in a very funny essay – 'he would come to work in a white coat if he thought he could get away with it'.

The problem is: he’s lost his sense of wonder. Wonder is in modern philosophy something one mustn’t have… it’s like enthusiasm in 18th century England: very bad form..." Alan Watts

:lol: ... always makes me laugh.
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Re: Top Ten List

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:56 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Ah, I didn't best them then. It was just intuition of the part I hadn't heard.

Unexpected knowledge from such a... Classical lefty... Come now...

They don't teach that in University, do they?

I'll give it to them though, that's pretty clever of them.

But wait actually. AS within SO without is not the same as what's on the inside is what's on the outside. I didn't say the same as. I said is.

There seems to me to be an important distinction there.
I wish, in a sense, I was a classic lefty. How simple and then I'd have a group. I do react to righties, sometimes, in ways that classic lefties do. On the other hand I react to lefties like a righty, often these days. (I mean, why trust corporations or governments, and conservatives and liberals both, whatever their supposed disagreements seem to trust these entities for the most part.) And liberals, I react to them from both sides (now). I think the wordings are the same, in this context. That what is without is within and vice versa. I don't think it is indicating process, like a flow chart or something. And what, lefties don't study the alchemists? Come now....Some large chunk must head through Jung to them. I got to them because they kept being denigrated by the scientism groupies. Gotta check out whatever is denigrated by a consensus.
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Re: Top Ten List

Postby Meno_ » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:44 pm

Nowadays, the political weatherforms are regulated by the fear of displacement, fearing one's own self interest above that of the common good, and usually with an eye to wether how much the winds of favorable high pressured winds on the horizon can be overcome by the low pressure weather coming in from over sees.
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Re: Top Ten List

Postby Dan~ » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:09 am

Faust wrote:Academia has killed philosophy. In part by continuing to argue over boring and uncontroversial ideas.

Sometimes boring things are the best things.
Excitation is imbalance, imbalance is decadent, and decadent things tend to eventually undo themselves,
by accepting failure.
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Re: Top Ten List

Postby Dan~ » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:30 am

Faust wrote:1. There are almost certainly events that cause other events, but there seem to be uncaused causes. Sometimes, things are the way they seem.

Cause is an illusion based on a distorting mirror effect. Like those big circus fun house mirrors.
It can make a skinny man appear fat.
You cannot derive new from old.
You can change the shape of matter, but the components are the same, even if their formation is different.
Therefor, sameness is the essential level of things,
and difference is the human appearance of change.
Nano is assential, a steak or a pencil is a formation.
Formations are made of essence.
It appears different, although it is made of the same components / things.



Faust wrote:2. The distinction between events and objects is one of convenience and has mostly to do with the scale upon which humans live.

I've tried to explain form and essence, earlier.
Objects and events both have an essence and a form.



Faust wrote:3. Morality is all about politics and power, but that doesn't make it useless or wrongheaded.

"Complementary" was discussed with my friend Jared today.
He said how his wife is good at what he is bad at, and he is good at what she is bad at.
When they team up, they are complementary.
I told him my statement about how diversity is good and compatability is an illusion.
He understood me right off the bat.
There are many forms of power. I prefer long lasting or eternal power.
There is short lived power as well. It starts out great then later you're left with nothing.
Morality is a form of strength, though.
People think of power like it is some kind of evil government.
Strength as a word has less stigma.
So, morality is all about strength. There are many kinds of strength, and it is up to us to realize which form of strength is the best.
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Re: Top Ten List

Postby Faust » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:15 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Faust wrote:
iambiguous wrote:Now all we need is an actual context. One in which to flesh out the meaning of those words.


You got me - all ten are really about abortion.


Okay, pick one. Let's flesh this thing out.


Iam - you are a master at changing the focus or scope of an argument (or even a mere claim). It's almost Bill O'Reilly-like. Albeit that O'Reilly uses it to win an argument, not to lose one.
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Re: Top Ten List

Postby iambiguous » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:45 pm

iambiguous wrote: Now all we need is an actual context. One in which to flesh out the meaning of those words.


Faust wrote: You got me - all ten are really about abortion.


iambiguous wrote:Okay, pick one. Let's flesh this thing out.


Faust wrote:Iam - you are a master at changing the focus or scope of an argument (or even a mere claim). It's almost Bill O'Reilly-like. Albeit that O'Reilly uses it to win an argument, not to lose one.


Whatever you think of me, you will either focus in on a particular context in which to explore your top ten list or you won't. Abortion works for me because 1] it is an issue that most will be familiar with and 2] it literally revolves around the question of life and death.

If you'd like we can create a new thread for it.

If nothing else, I'm curious to see how you connect the dots between abortion and, "There are almost certainly events that cause other events, but there seem to be uncaused causes. Sometimes, things are the way they seem."

The evolution of life on earth [eventually] begets human beings. Human beings have sex and this can beget pregnancies. Unwanted pregnancies can beget abortions. Abortions can beget conflicting goods. Conflicting goods can beget political narratives.

Where do "uncaused causes" fit in here? And, with respect to the moral and political parameters of abortion, when are things "the way they seem"?

Or was your intent here all basically just tongue in cheek? :wink:
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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