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Re: Vampire

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:24 pm

The early depictions of vampires were as ugly, hook-nosed, blood-suckers. Parasites of humans.
recently they've been upgraded and made sexy, attractive, romantic.

Guess why?
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Re: Vampire

Postby MagsJ » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:35 pm

Aegean wrote:The early depictions of vampires were as ugly, hook-nosed, blood-suckers. Parasites of humans.
recently they've been upgraded and made sexy, attractive, romantic.

Guess why?

Either.. for Box-Office profit, or, that the Vampires would have started suing anyone that portrayed them in an unattractive light? I’m going with the former, myself, but I always like to offer options to others.

The earlier cinematic vampire depictions were indeed horror films, the current cinematic/TV vampire depictions are more Romance, Thriller, or Drama. Sex sells.. the advertising from the 80s onwards is reflective of that, when the overt really started taking off.

Vlad the Impaler: the original Count Dracula and inspiration for Bram Stoker’s Dracula.. OMG! go to 6.40 onwards.. what a ruthless fucker.. the good-old days of real torture and crusades.

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Re: Vampire

Postby MagsJ » Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:12 pm

Meno_ wrote:Of course he may not realize it......that is the partial truth, before even considering it.

But I wonder, is it not inconsiderate to feign , or even be indifferent to that , wherein when he comes around may turn the hoot into some other technical muse?

And does that tend to devolve indifference to difference? Leading to more apathy and deconstruction of more ideal relationships ?

More questions then avaibility of answers.

I say.. take me as I am on that, or any-other given day, or fear pissing me off.. a one-off faux pas is fine.. as I’ll recover, but once alerted to the fact of another’s (strict(er)) boundaries, then remember that.. or I’ll help you remember.

When it comes to the day-to-day preservation of such-a-self, no-one’s going to give a shit about it but you, and no-one can see or even begin to fathom the great-effort that goes into it.. but you, or the repercussions suffered, from not doing so. It becomes an art-form, you know.. fine-tuning one’s craft and skill, until perfect, and then making it an eternal work-in-progress.

This series of adverts, is currently my favourite.. the actor, brilliantly portraying Vladimir the Vampire.

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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:04 pm

Aegean wrote:The early depictions of vampires were as ugly, hook-nosed, blood-suckers. Parasites of humans.
recently they've been upgraded and made sexy, attractive, romantic.

Guess why?





Fear of the dark? Lack of sensory integration ? Return to the cave?

But then....that goes for both: the gentile and the Jew.

From the formless , there is no exit, and their commonality can not be mutually identified by recognition, hence the gap of sensory continuum

Victimization is an aesthetic premise stamped upon the Jew by a game akin to bait and switch, which most cons need to become wise to, if they can play the game.

The order of characterization between the good and the bad was not anticipated or planned , in thinly veiled metaphors, and hence resulted in the ugly de-differentiated basic and simple forms of averice.

The synthesis of such dramatic thrusts to vanity, had it's clear motive expunged by the underlying one if basic substrate; approbation caused by wanton need to nationalize private property, to switch ideological uncertainty from the spirit to it's constituenr.
It always was a subliminal game of hide and go between so called races, where races and cultural artifacts could be colluded.

The vampire, if he had been able to see himself in this manner, would not have fell for it, but would have rejected it , the whole nine yards, in an obvious game that lacking wisdom.

It is at a level brought upon it's self, and ill understood, it can only see it's self in shared blindness of each other.

It does not depict the particular vampire, only reflects , through a glass, darkly, a manifest projection of it's own lack of sight, hence sustaining the vampirism it seeks to enlighten.

It is not trickery, but a needed bravery needed that denotes the real dynamic.
that is easy to recognize ; as hiding under.the Caricatures. which hinder suppressed emotions resolvinv sensory disjunction.

Oh this waiting game, 3 days to Christmas, let us not forget who caused this, and what it represents!

Even if, one day, the Christ appears as negative to His own image! It would serve a preestablushed transcendental contract between everyone, father and sons connected by fiat. It would disserve only those , who revel in uniform suppression of the innocent , colluded with the unformed.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:17 pm

Vampire prefer the shadows.....despise the sunlight.
They are eternal....meme.
They are parasitical in relation to humans.
They suck the host dry....

I've posted an entire thesis on the symbolism of Vampires, Werewolves, Frankenstein, and the entire modern canon of superheroes and supervillains.
Each one symbolizing a post-modern psychological type.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:23 pm

Aegean wrote:Vampire prefer the shadows.....despise the sunlight.
They are eternal....meme.
They are parasitical in relation to humans.
They suck the host dry....

I've posted an entire thesis on the symbolism of Vampires, Werewolves, Frankenstein, and the entire modern canon of superheroes and supervillains.
Each one symbolizing a post-modern psychological type.




Vampires don't prefer it, literally their genetic lack of ocular understanding have been denied, they have to enhance other firms of relating to life, and their image can not be thus literally understood. Others see them as pre reflective, but reflection literally can not be mythically be in line with Narcissus, therefore, Nietzche could not have been intentionally devised, only through the eyes of Heidegger.

Therefore the whole program falls flat, and becomes inconsequential in it's essence.

Well, we have obviously not been reading each other, or misreading. That is why the sense and the sensibility sustains a difference.

At any rate, happy holidays.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:39 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Aegean wrote:Vampire prefer the shadows.....despise the sunlight.
They are eternal....meme.
They are parasitical in relation to humans.
They suck the host dry....

I've posted an entire thesis on the symbolism of Vampires, Werewolves, Frankenstein, and the entire modern canon of superheroes and supervillains.
Each one symbolizing a post-modern psychological type.



Vampires don't prefer it, literally their genetic lack of ocular understanding have been denied, they have to enhance other firms of relating to life, and their image can not be thus literally understood. Others see them as pre reflective, but reflection literally can not be mythically be in line with Narcissus, therefore, Nietzche could not have been intentionally devised, only through the eyes of Heidegger.

Therefore the whole program falls flat, and becomes inconsequential in it's essence.

Well, we have obviously not been reading each other, or misreading. That is why the sense and the sensibility sustains a difference.

At any rate, happy holidays.

The sunlight clarifies - the twilight obscures and mystifies.

Nietzsche is devised through the eyes of every reader....like any artist is.
The clarity comes from comparing the idea with the world it emerged from.

The mystification appeals to the masses who have minimal ability to reflect. They relate to it superficially.

My replies are always directed to multiple readers.

Happy Holidays.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:18 pm

Agean wrote,

"The sunlight clarifies - the twilight obscures and mystifies."


Does not N predict the future?
Does not the twilight replicate 18th century art, impressionist?

The cave was dark in the Middle Ages, when first exposed to the Enlightenement, man was overwhelmed by light, reality became elusive.
Icarus fell cause he was too close.
Impressions became the mode of apprehension, to overcome the vagaries of denying one of the principles of an aesthetic: appreciable distance, objectivity.

The twilight afforded objectivity, the reconstruction of it, the quasi union of the real and the ideal.

What's wrong with that. N spoke in aphorisms, that light be converse, refocused on it's object.

Some did not appreciate such vision, they needed return, return to the original.

Now, the central point in trying to understand is the signification of the simulated return.

I will proceed with incorporation of below comments- obscureatism as in nude, the obscure.

Here is a thematic summary:



"The novel tells the story of Jude Fawley, who lives in a village in southern England (part of Hardy's fictional county of Wessex), who yearns to be a scholar at "Christminster", a city modelled on Oxford. As a youth, Jude teaches himself Classical Greek and Latin in his spare time, while working first in his great-aunt's bakery, with the hope of entering university. But before he can try to do this the naïve Jude is seduced by Arabella Donn, a rather coarse, morally lax and superficial local girl who traps him into marriage by pretending to be pregnant. The marriage is a failure, and Arabella leaves Jude and later emigrates to Australia, where she enters into a bigamous marriage. By this time, Jude has abandoned his classical studies.

After Arabella leaves him, Jude moves to Christminster and supports himself as a mason while studying alone, hoping to be able to enter the university later. There, he meets and falls in love with his free-spirited cousin, Sue Bridehead. But, shortly after this, Jude introduces Sue to his former schoolteacher, Mr. Phillotson, whom she eventually is persuaded to marry, despite the fact that he is some twenty years her senior. However, she soon regrets this, because in addition to being in love with Jude, she is horrified by the notion of sex with her husband. Sue soon asks Phillotson for permission to leave him for Jude, which he grants, once he realizes how unwilling she is to fulfill what he believes are her marital duties to him. Because of this scandal — the fact Phillotson willingly allows his wife to leave for another man — Phillotson has to give up his career as a schoolmaster.

Sue and Jude spend some time living together without any sexual relationship. This is because of Sue's dislike both of sex and the institution of marriage. Soon after, Arabella reappears having fled her Australian husband, who managed a hotel in Sydney, and this complicates matters. Arabella and Jude divorce and she legally marries her bigamous husband, and Sue also is divorced. However, following this, Arabella reveals that she had a child of Jude's, eight months after they separated, and subsequently sends this child to his father. He is named Jude and nicknamed "Little Father Time" because of his intense seriousness and lack of humour.

Jude eventually convinces Sue to sleep with him and, over the years, they have two children together and expect a third. But Jude and Sue are socially ostracised for living together unmarried, especially after the children are born. Jude's employers dismiss him because of the illicit relationship, and the family is forced into a nomadic lifestyle, moving from town to town across Wessex seeking employment and housing before eventually returning to Christminster. Their socially troubled boy, "Little Father Time", comes to believe that he and his half-siblings are the source of the family's woes. The morning after their arrival in Christminster, he murders Sue's two children and kills himself by hanging. He leaves behind a note that simply reads, "Done because we are too menny."[1][2] Shortly thereafter, Sue has a miscarriage.


Photochrom of the High Street, Oxford, 1890–1900
Beside herself with grief and blaming herself for "Little Father Time"'s actions, Sue turns to the church that she has rebelled against and comes to believe that the children's deaths were divine retribution for her relationship with Jude. Although horrified at the thought of resuming her marriage with Phillotson, she becomes convinced that, for religious reasons, she should never have left him. Arabella discovers Sue's feelings and informs Phillotson, who soon proposes they remarry. This results in Sue leaving Jude once again for Phillotson, and she punishes herself by allowing herself sex with her husband. Jude is devastated and remarries Arabella after she plies him with alcohol to once again trick him into marriage.

After one final, desperate visit to Sue in freezing weather, Jude becomes seriously ill and dies within the year in Christminster, thwarted in his ambition to achieve fame in his studies as well as in his love. It is revealed that Sue has grown "staid and worn" with Phillotson. Arabella fails to mourn Jude's passing, instead setting the stage to ensnare her next suitor.

The events of Jude the Obscure occur over a 19-year period, but no dates are specifically given in the novel.[note 1] Aged 11 at the beginning of the novel, by the time of his death Jude seems much older than his thirty years – for he has experienced so much disappointment and grief in his total life experience. It would seem that his burdens exceeded his sheer ability to survive, much less to triumph."


This only to organize and synthesize my ongoing search into signification and an attempt to sensory integration.

As far as the intentionality of deliberate positioning or reified objects is concern, that question revolves around N's success to objectify his narratives to achieve a coherent structural transcendence that he be understood , in terms that metamorphose the descriptive into idiomatic understanding.

I think he basically fails in this, and this is why Heidegger's continuum gets full of exploitative gaps.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:29 pm

Darkness prevents objectivity.
Half-light obscures and convolutes. Prevents clarity.

Using obscurantism to escape detection and cultivating it to remain hidden, can only have a motive.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:41 pm

Aegean wrote:Darkness prevents objectivity.
Half-light obscures and convolutes. Prevents clarity.

Using obscurantism to escape detection and cultivating it to remain hidden, can only have a motive.




In Jude the Obscure, Hardy uses a deep metaphor, the indication of an objective motive appears missing, or forgotten. Not merely a tenuous desire to remain hidden, but sign of a nomadic life.:

"The word Jude can mean the wandering Jew. By calling the main character of the book Jude, Hardy is making a reference to a group of people who believe in God and are classified as wandering. By using this allusion Hardy is trying to convey to us that the path of religion is not one that has a true destination, but rather it is one of fallacy that leaves people wandering. Hardy further illustrates this point by making Jude a “wanderer.” Jude is a wanderer both literally and figuratively. Literally we see him wandering from place to place to find work, and figuratively we see him searching for his own identity.'

{This narrative helps to clarify distinctions between Husserl, Heidegger and Nietzche}.

The ref. Is lengthy and can also be said to invoke an obscure content built up in a way that presents some motive in ways parrellel.. I plan to go into this more, in the above summary.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:37 pm

A landless people, would develop traits that would aid it in tis quest to survive, at all costs.
With no hearth, to ground them, they would develop a abstract hearth they could carry with them, from place to place, and from the vicinity of other tribes to the vicinity of different ones, appropriating from each whatever was of value, to them, and developing the language and behavioural skills to remain both distinct and seemingly disappear in them.
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Re: Vampire

Postby MagsJ » Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:12 am

One of the most memorable friends I ever made was a gypsy, who arrived, along with the funfair his family owned.. though he did chase me and my brother with an axe at the local city farm we were playing in, but the next day we cornered him (axe-less) and became friends for the duration that he was there for.. he’d never had friends before.

We’d have tea and sandwiches in the front yard, but he wouldn’t join us inside the front yard or enter inside the house.. very Vampiric, though he did eventually join us inside the front yard.. which made him smile and happy. It was a sad day when he came to say goodbye, and we all hung-out for the very last time, never to see him again.. the friendship being an indelible memory I’ll never forget.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:22 am

Talking about Vampirism au passant, I remember my last visit with a gypsy, a girl barely 13, carrying a child in a hammock strung around her shoulders, and being reprimanded forgiving her some money. The air became arid, and lfeeling branded , felt as if complicit in some crime.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Aegean » Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:59 pm

There is a element of eroticism to this form of parasitism.
To remain inconspicuous, and maintain its access to the host, the parasite must flood it with chemicals that numb it - intoxicating it to the point of feeling no discomfort as it is drained of tis life's energies.
Host feels pleasure in the encounter.
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Re: Vampire

Postby MagsJ » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:26 pm

Meno_ wrote:Talking about Vampirism au passant, I remember my last visit with a gypsy, a girl barely 13, carrying a child in a hammock strung around her shoulders, and being reprimanded forgiving her some money. The air became arid, and lfeeling branded , felt as if complicit in some crime.

To me, it’s the wandering gypsies that cultivate that air that you describe.. an odd feeling to experience, in being privy to their world.
The funfair and circus owning gypsies, on the other hand, have a different air about them.. more prideful, grafters, communicative.

Rule 1. Never give a gypsy money, ever, not even in exchange for their wares.

Rule 2. If they offer their wares as a gift, you should accept it, in kind.

Rule 3. Always remain polite, for they are human after-all.

Rule 4. Do not throw garlic or holy water at them. :lol: kidding! :D
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Re: Vampire

Postby Aegean » Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:35 pm

vampire - Allegory of a modern memetic Parasite

Parasites lurk in the shadows, despising the light that reveals and exposes.
Their survival depends on appearing to be part of the host they parasitically live off of.
It gathers in occult covenants, away from the host's prying eyes.
It feeds on the host, draining it, but not to a level that would kill it. Yet, this contant depletion slowly degrades the host, forcing the parasite to seek a new host to drain.
Although they take on the appearance of the host - so as to remain inconspicuous - the parasite does acquire similar physical markers, due to their inbreeding - sampling the hosts genes only to conceal itself enough to remain undetected.
A parasite intervenes upon the hosts' neurological processes - hijacking tis mind from the inside. It does so via language. Gradually the host becomes detached from reality; tis behaviour erratic and self-destructive - it behaves in ways that will eventually kill it. see current immigration policies in Europe. Cultural suicide, promoted by an alien memetic parasite.
A parasite fancies itself superior to the host it lives off of. All predatory psychologies are prone to this arrogance, even ones that use insidious, feminine, predatory methods. A herbivore feels superior to the plants it feeds on; the carnivore feels superior to the herbivore; the parasite superior to the carnivore/herbivore it infests. Each survival niche necessitating its own traits - both physical and mental. Memetic parasitism would have to become a master of linguistics and using semiotics to exploit and manipulate.

Zombification is a sign of extended and severe detachment from reality.
Google zombification. It's not a movie cliche.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:52 pm

Yes but.....???

The parasite begins its anthromorphic evolution the same way as it's antithesis. In fact begins its journey contemporaneous to it's nemesis, because of the crossing of symbolic fallacies, that were actually built for early accomodiation.

All that has been eliminated by utilizing the commode.

The French totals of centuries gone by had to eliminate by going out, literally to the out-house. The Versailles was too illuminated by the hall of mirror a.

Of course that did not prevent accidents that is why per fume became so convenient.

Did the time machine send an SOS to the present to ask for the 'convenience'?

Perhaps, perchance.

Such concern of trying to master build a simple matter, to eliminate, occasioned by oft strain, as if giving birth to something strangely perfumed by the notion of anti matter.

Its just a stage, Mr. feud says, as if he was just another character out of you. ly sees, named after Julius the great emperor.


The greatest parasite the least, the first shall be last and the last first, inversion , con version, 6 of one half a dozen of the other.

Well, she throws up her hands in despair, and blushingly intimates, " two heads are better then one even if one of them is a cabbage.

But so and so said such and such, maybe they are Siamese, twins by default?

You don't say!

Well what about the one that goes:

The mad scientist conducted a being formed out if a half a measure of tiger and a half of parrot.

Polly likes? a what?

I dunno, but it takes to.

Two what?

Again, I dunno. Keep tell in ya.

And she barely screams under a very hushed demeneir:

I don't know what on earth you get but if it starts talking to ya, better listen.

What about the one about the crab and the clam

The crab says to the clam, how come you just lie there never speakin' ?

The clam at first showing a reluctant hesitancy, opens up, and this was how afterwords the crab found a pearl.

The greatest parasite is the virus. It probably is immune to the future, because it has become resilient trough the past. It is part and partial to the here and now, through it's power to will the corpus diem, through an appetite for delicti.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Aegean » Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:55 pm

Memetically speaking...
Nihilism is a defensive reaction to emerging self-consciousness - using abstractions, represented by words, as an alternative to the world perceived.
A memetic-parasite would be a strategy that integrated nihilism into its parasitism, seeing the potential in exploiting it in other organisms.

Since nihilism is entirely linguistic - having no references in empirical reality, in the experienced world - such a parasite would cultivate linguistic skills - encoding - to manipulate and exploit this nihilism in the target host.
It enters the mind linguistically and hijacks the host intellectually.
The host loses all contact with reality and tis won body - with physicality.

See zombification.
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Re: Vampire

Postby MagsJ » Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:59 pm

So a myth borne of fear and ignorance, not of romance.. and then The Enlightenment occurred, to enlighten us all from our ignorance and stupidity, to a place of knowing.

Probably why the Egyptians and others mummified their dead, so as to inhibit such happenings from causing mass hysteria, that seeing a decaying dead body can obviously create. I guess because the body of the dead Aristocrats were put on display, for the Community to pay their respects, the myth arose and was associated with European Aristocracy.

The Bloody Truth About Vampires - National Geographic

But vampires didn’t start out so clearly defined. Scholars suspect that the modern conception of these Halloween monsters evolved from various traditional beliefs that were held throughout Europe. These beliefs centered around the fear that the dead, once buried, could still harm the living.

Often, these legends arose from a misunderstanding of how bodies decompose. As a corpse’s skin shrinks, its teeth and fingernails can appear to have grown longer. And as internal organs break down, a dark “purge fluid” can leak out of the nose and mouth. People unfamiliar with this process would interpret this fluid to be blood and suspect that the corpse had been drinking it from the living. (Read “Archaeologists Suspect Vampire Burial; An Undead Primer.”)

Bloody corpses weren’t the only cause for suspicion. Before people understood how certain diseases spread, they sometimes imagined vampires were behind the unseen forces slowly ravaging their communities. “The one constant in the evolution of vampire legend has been its close association with disease,” writes Mark Collins Jenkins in his book Vampire Forensics. Trying to kill vampires, or prevent them from feeding, was a way for people to feel as though they had some control over disease.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Aegean » Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:29 pm

Parasitism is survival and reproductive strategy.
It emerges in all systems and tribes. But some have adopted it as their chosen method, that identifies them.

Nihilism emerges in all humans awakening to themselves - producing insecurity and vulnerably that seeks relief in abstractions. Then ideologies emerge to offer a framework and a justification - a way.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:30 pm

The true vampire, Dracula, the clearest form of pre-Enlightenement realization, the truest form of subsistence, results from the almost impossible task of setting all exclusive elements within the most preemptive form of union possible, that can set it"s self within that totality of inclusion, that can and must pertain to all without, the aid of any other panosycic being.

That overcoming all thoughtful men are familiar with, or, should be.


The Truest Buddhic Dracula contains all biddishitva of pre-enlightenment Socratic being. That contains the pre eminence of the Egyptian pyramidal soul.

The constantly cross over the sticks as easily as the most permeable papyrus upon which the wise ones communicated through.

The magic of the golden texts if Middle Age Romance, is but a trace.




Agean said,




"But some have adopted it as their chosen method, that identifies them.

Nihilism emerges in all humans awakening to themselves - producing insecurity and vulnerably that seeks relief in abstractions. Then ideologies emerge to offer a framework and a justification - a way."


{Their 'adoption' is very problematical.
Have they adopted or have they been adopted? To what degree.and.to what.consequence? Is the adoption a definitive ideological identifiable Kafkaian characteristic , or formed out of indicative signals from a panpsychic post modern sign of a renewed transcendental reality?

All these situational variables seek to overcome the particular noumemal designations, now that the world is constantly on the road, seeking the last bastion of the dream that does not drop off into the see of a young man's dream of the wild wild West. the sunset sun also rising in the east.

Beg to differ. at least in the literal sense.

Remembrances of Proust.


through Thomas Mann, ...


Some history could have not defined and effected some reality. Lets.face it , reality consists and is described by the string of.pearls that bracket what is felt and eventually is lived.

The transcendence.of.overcoming its self is hidden between the lines.}*



*is my own commentary
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Re: Vampire

Postby Aegean » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:47 pm

I re-watched Interview with a Vampire, last week....on the tele.
Not a bad film.

In its symbolisms you get a whiff of the underlying references to todays Americanized world.

What is "immortal" ?
The meme - the ideology.
As there are 'selfish genes' there are 'selfish memes', producing mindless automatons with no clue.
Worship of youth.
Parasitism.
Occultism.
Coming out at dark - as all parasites work in the shadows.
A sense of superiority, founded on disease - dis-ease.
A need for blood...the symbolism of it.
How to convert another to a fellow Vampire - another parasite?
The moral rule - 'never kill another vampire' - not applicable to those who do not belong to the covenant.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:16 pm

Aegean wrote:I re-watched Interview with a Vampire, last week....on the tele.
Not a bad film.




In its symbolisms you get a whiff of the underlying references to todays Americanized world.

What is "immortal"?
The meme - the ideology.
As there are 'selfish genes' there are 'selfish memes', producing mindless automatons with no clue.
Worship of youth.
Parasitism.
Occultism.
Coming out at dark - as all parasites work in the shadows.
A sense of superiority, founded no disease.
A need for blood...the symbolism of it.
How to convert another to a fellow Vampire - another parasite?
The moral rule - 'never kill another vampire' - not applicable to those who do not belong.



Well worth an answer for which my time now is unavailable. Tonight sometime tonight between feedings.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:08 am

Meno_ wrote:
Aegean wrote:I re-watched Interview with a Vampire, last week....on the tele.
Not a bad film. The ideal test, is approximate, and result in dialectical movement varies ideally toward or against it's material.

The thing about vampires is, that their reactive consciessness varies with gleaning on interaction.

Observe a dog, or a mongrel, they act ferocious, but they can be psyched out. If done long enough, they get confused and look away, and bark at every other human, their instinctive behavior becomes a model of.projection. there really is not milleniums of difference in the time it took to evolve, and so goes with all the other observable effects with all kinds of being, vampires, occultists, cops and robbers, Jews and Muslims, Christians and atheists.

Their actions are civilized into particular epochs , or cubicles as Samual Beckett describes them in his ' How it Is, and they take up such idealized formalism as if it was really their thing.

They don't understand the hidden layers, they can onlybreact to most of them and again incorporate them in a current existential struggle for survival. Vampires become their own credible evidence of total nihilized invincibility, their regression. Is total into the darkest realm of the underground, those into he'll it's self, and there form ways to battle the worst demons imaginable.

They do develop relation ships with the angelic world as well, and become like the fallen archangel, except of a clever retention that worked for Faust's trick. This trick is so magical and holy, that the beast , even if tricked into infinite repetition of his temptation, can never , ever remember.

This is weakness, but only revealed to those whom the highest order has confirmed. How do You know when?

You'll never really know, but it begins to be felt, through the purest yoga of essential being.

At this stage, all distinctions disappear, including between i & thou,
as it merges into pure etheriality.
If it wishes to remember per singularity of experience, then they must use will for the other, and something will click, the irreducible and occult magnificence will exert immense power to the apparently irreducible. That is the only way the higher energies of absolute Being, will let you out. That is where the 'No Exit' sign will loose its power of diminishing phenomenon .

Such journey is fraught with danger, perilous and dark, lonely and unappealing.



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In its symbolisms you get a whiff of the underlying references to todays Americanized world.

What is "immortal"?
The meme - the ideology.
As there are 'selfish genes' there are 'selfish memes', producing mindless automatons with no clue.
Worship of youth.
Parasitism.
Occultism.
Coming out at dark - as all parasites work in the shadows.
A sense of superiority, founded no disease.
A need for blood...the symbolism of it.
How to convert another to a fellow Vampire - another parasite?
The moral rule - 'never kill another vampire' - not applicable to those who do not belong.



Well worth an answer for which my time now is unavailable. Tonight sometime tonight between feedings.




Memes & Genes


The degree of separation . again continue am abstract form.
It is part this part that. The vampire and werewolf myth suggests a mostly instinctual form of it, all wolfs kill out of.bloodthirsty. and the vampire is a reductive being toward that form.

Occultism is bereft of a backward reasoable trace of the beginnings , but the dog and the wolf do resamble, and there is a breed that has been morphed out of the wolf

When does a friend change into an enemy and how does it happen.

There are no criteria or methodology to determine this, only the fact remains that all individuals within species are prone to a sinus wave distribution of values, which can effect downward or upward trajectory,
up from reactive instinct or down from the film of civilisation.

AI will get to this shortly.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Aegean » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:20 am

Each metaphorical type represents a psychology.
Each mythological construct implies a human/animal hybrid, pointing to a specific survival and reproductive strategy.

Werewolf, alludes to a specific psychological type...as dopes the Vampire.
The animal alludes to the essence of this psychological type adopted as a cultural meme that characterizes an entire tribe.
Zombie, Frankenstein....even the MARVEL nd DC superheroes and supervillains are mythological representations of human psychological types.
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