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Spirituality: How Long Can You Hold Your Breath?

Postby Prismatic567 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:08 am

Most of the discussions on spirituality and religion are mostly theory and talk but not on the practical, i.e. the how-to.

I believe the effectiveness of one's breath is one of the critical foundation of one's well being and spirituality.

One measure of effectiveness of one's breath is 'How Long Can You Hold Your Breath?' i.e. the art of breath retention.
There are two measurements of breath retention, i.e.

    1. Normal Retention Period - NRP
    2. Maximum Retention Period - MRP

1. Normal Retention Period - NRP
To measure [time] one's Normal Retention Period - NRP, do the following;

    1. Get ready a stop watch with seconds
    2. Sit up straight
    3. Do two of your usual breathing - inhale-exhale
    4. Then, inhale on the next breath follow by exhalation - normally.
    5. At the end of the normal exhalation*, used your finger to close the nose and close the mouth, *[not a 100% full exhaustion of all air]
    6. Start your time
    7. At a point where you feel the urge the need to breathe, do not struggle on..
    8. Stop the time.
    9. Note the period of time - NRP

Note:
One need to measure one's NRP over various period of the day to get an average. Avoid doing it after a full meal or any time after what is not-your-normal activities.

The NRP measure your basic well-being and spirituality.
[list=]If your NRP time is below 30 seconds, your well-being and spirituality is below average.
If 31-60 seconds, that is average,
If >60 seconds, that would be above average and and good.[/list]

It is claimed there is a correlation [no hard proofs] those with NRP below 30 seconds [especially if less than 10 seconds] usually has some kind of impairments, e.g. asthma, heart disease, lungs and other diseases.

The above would be the same for one's level of spirituality in general.
One can claim to have the highest grade in spirituality [talk only] but one's NRP measurement can generally [note] indicate one's real spiritual maturity level.


2. Maximum Retention Period - MRP
The MRP is the time achieved by extending the NRP to the point one cannot hold the breath any longer and thus forced to breath or else one would black-out.
The MRP can extend to >60 seconds, 2 minutes or for the professional deep diver it can be >3, 4,5 minutes. The world record is something like 7+ minutes without assistance, 11+ minutes with additional packing, 22 minutes via breathing air concentrated with oxygen.

Since we are concern with only basic spirituality, the relevant measurement is the Normal Retention Period -NRP.
In normal situation, the NRP is taken to be 50% the MRP.

Note the NRP and MRP are not exclusive measurement of spirituality, but also well being and other physical abilities. E.g. athletes and other non-spiritual performers may have high NRP, e.g. freedivers, singers, and the likes.

Try the above measurements to determine your underlying basic spirituality.
I can provide tips [if interested] on how to increase one's NRP or MRP.

Views?
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Re: Spirituality: How Long Can You Hold Your Breath?

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:00 pm

I think the OP would be better if there was some kind of argument. It's fine that it's speculative, but why do you correlate breath holding with spirituality, spirituality having to do with spirit, that is non-material entities, processes, etc. I could come up with my own reasons, and certainly some religions and spiritualities focus on the breath, but why do you think there should be correlation?

spirituality
/spɪrɪtʃʊˈalɪti,spɪrɪtjʊˈalɪti/
noun
the quality of being concerned with the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.
"the shift in priorities allows us to embrace our spirituality in a more profound way"


/ˈspɪrɪt/Skicka
noun
1.
the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.
"we seek a harmony between body and spirit"
synonymer: soul, psyche, inner self, inner being, essential being; Mer


Of course some people think that materialists can have a spirituality, but I think this is a poor word choice. They can have values, a philosophy, an outlook on life...etc. But spirituality is based on things not considered real by the materialist, and other words serve the purpose perfectely.
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Re: Spirituality: How Long Can You Hold Your Breath?

Postby MagsJ » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:53 am

Prismatic567 wrote:[list=]If your NRP time is below 30 seconds, your well-being and spirituality is below average.[/list]

It is claimed there is a correlation [no hard proofs] those with NRP below 30 seconds [especially if less than 10 seconds] usually has some kind of impairments, e.g. asthma, heart disease, lungs and other diseases.

The above would be the same for one's level of spirituality in general.
One can claim to have the highest grade in spirituality [talk only] but one's NRP measurement can generally [note] indicate one's real spiritual maturity level.

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My well-being is dire, but my spirituality is not..
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Re: Spirituality: How Long Can You Hold Your Breath?

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:59 am

Karpel Tunnel wrote:I think the OP would be better if there was some kind of argument. It's fine that it's speculative, but why do you correlate breath holding with spirituality, spirituality having to do with spirit, that is non-material entities, processes, etc.
...


I have shifted the above [interesting point] argument to another thread.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=194659

Since 'breath' correlates with 'Spirit'
therefore the effectiveness of one's breath correlates to one's level of spirituality [secular].
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Re: Spirituality: How Long Can You Hold Your Breath?

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:21 am

MagsJ wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:[list=]If your NRP time is below 30 seconds, your well-being and spirituality is below average.[/list]

It is claimed there is a correlation [no hard proofs] those with NRP below 30 seconds [especially if less than 10 seconds] usually has some kind of impairments, e.g. asthma, heart disease, lungs and other diseases.

The above would be the same for one's level of spirituality in general.
One can claim to have the highest grade in spirituality [talk only] but one's NRP measurement can generally [note] indicate one's real spiritual maturity level.

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My well-being is dire, but my spirituality is not..

How did you know your spirituality is not dire? or is good?
Did you do the above measurements of NRP and MRP?
If so, is your NRP <30 seconds, >30seconds, or >60 seconds.

I have indicated here;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=194659
there is a strong correlation between 'breath' and 'spirituality,'
thus whether your spirituality is good or dire, it will depend on your NRP and MRP.

The measurement of one's foundation of spirituality [secular or religious] cannot be based on faith and mere beliefs, it must be objective.
Not you, but note in the extreme case, where a Muslim will claim he has a high level of spirituality based on his own personal beliefs, obeyed Allah to the fullest and ended up killing many innocent non-Muslims while he was blown up into pieces as suicide bomber. I bet such a person would have low NRP measurement <30 seconds.

Note as I had stated, the NRP and MRP are not absolute measurements of spirituality but they are the most effective in the general sense with the necessary qualifications and some exceptions.
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Re: Spirituality: How Long Can You Hold Your Breath?

Postby Prismatic567 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:07 am

Any volunteers?

If your average NRP is <10, <20 or <30 and you are interested in increasing it, I can give tips/instructions [free] on how to improve it. Just PM me.
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Re: Spirituality: How Long Can You Hold Your Breath?

Postby Prismatic567 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:52 am

iambiguous wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote: Why not have a look at this;
How long can you Hold Your Breath?
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=194655

That is something practical not the typical intellectual contraption, it may prop you out of your deep hole.


I can only assume you are being facetious here. What on earth does that have to do with that grotesque human pain and suffering embedded in dasein, conflicting goods and political/economic power?

Breath is the most fundamental element of life which is more fundamental than dasein, conflicting goods and political/economic power, and everything else.

    Let say your Maximum Retention Period [MRP] is 30 seconds.

    If I were to hold your nose and close your mouth shut, before 30 seconds you would have felt terrible and desperate thus try to push my hands off, and if I persist and will not let go, you will likely kill me so that you can breathe, agree?

    Generally, a normal average person can survive without breathing for up to 4 minutes or more.

    If you are a moral person why would you kill me at the 30 seconds mark and not at the 4 minute mark?

    The answer is, the respond is involuntary and you have no choice but to kill so that you can breathe. But note, you have the option to increase your tolerance level thus also the moral competence.
My point is;
If you can train yourself to increase your MRP and tolerance to 4 minutes, then you would only likely to push me off or kill me if you have to at the 3:30 minutes mark.
As you can see there is an improvement in your tolerance level from 30 seconds to 4 minutes.

At present there is a tolerance level [subconscious] to what you deemed as grotesque human pains and sufferings embedded in dasein, conflicting goods and political/economic power.
I believe when you increase your MRP to 4 minutes, you will have a different tolerance level for the effects of grotesque human pain and suffering embedded in dasein, conflicting goods and political/economic power, and you will respond to them in a different light, i.e. less sensitive to be affected by them.
From this you will have a greater positive outlook to life than being stuck in a deep shit hole because your tolerance is too low.
You can measure this tolerance level via the tests in the OP as linked above.

The expected changes are the following;

    1. Your CO2 tolerance to panic- will increase.
    2.The oxygen level in your blood will increase
    3. Your immunity levels will increase
    4. Your cognitive level will be heightened
    5. There are other positive changes

Note the above is not bullshit, they can be objectively tested and verified.
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Re: Spirituality: How Long Can You Hold Your Breath?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:22 pm

"Prismatic567"


Since 'breath' correlates with 'Spirit'


The English word "spirit" comes from the Latin spiritus,but also "spirit, soul, courage, vigor", ultimately from a Proto-Indo-European *(s)peis. It is distinguished from Latin anima, "soul" (which nonetheless also derives from an Indo-European root meaning "to breathe", earliest form *h2enh1-).


therefore the effectiveness of one's breath correlates to one's level of spirituality [secular].


That makes no sense to me. I see no correlation there.
A rapist may be a runner, in great physical health and his breathing may be perfect. Is that rapist a spiritual man?

What about the truly spiritual person? What about the late Mother Teresa? Perhaps her breath was not always so effective, so vigorous. Was she less the spiritual person for that?

What is spirituality to you? What is secular spiritual to you?

I believe the effectiveness of one's breath is one of the critical foundation of one's well being and spirituality.


I can certainly agree with the first part of this. Proper breathing is important to our physical and emotional well-being and to maintain mental balance.

The below quotes will give you an idea of what true spirituality is to me. One need not have a belief in God nor God in one's life but one may.


The moment one gives close attention to anything, even a blade of grass, it becomes a mysterious, awesome, indescribably magnificent world in itself. Henry Miller

The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious – the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Albert Einstein

When you arise in the morning think of what a privilege it is to be alive, to think, to enjoy, to love. Marcus Aurelius

Learn to get in touch with the silence within yourself and know that everything in this life has a purpose. There are no mistakes, no coincidences. All events are blessings given to us to learn from. Elizabeth Kübler-Ross

Those things make up or create the spiritual life for us. One may even be able to see that experiencing those things just might lead one to perfect breath - not the other way around.

So, is this more or less your meaning of spirituality (secular)?
“How can a bird that is born for joy
Sit in a cage and sing?”
― William Blake


“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
― William Blake, Songs of Innocence and of Experience


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Re: Spirituality: How Long Can You Hold Your Breath?

Postby Prismatic567 » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:34 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:"Prismatic567"


Since 'breath' correlates with 'Spirit'


The English word "spirit" comes from the Latin spiritus,but also "spirit, soul, courage, vigor", ultimately from a Proto-Indo-European *(s)peis. It is distinguished from Latin anima, "soul" (which nonetheless also derives from an Indo-European root meaning "to breathe", earliest form *h2enh1-).

Note 'to breathe' in your above reference.
I have presented how breath is correlated with 'spirit' thus spirituality, here;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=194659


therefore the effectiveness of one's breath correlates to one's level of spirituality [secular].


That makes no sense to me. I see no correlation there.
A rapist may be a runner, in great physical health and his breathing may be perfect. Is that rapist a spiritual man?

What about the truly spiritual person? What about the late Mother Teresa? Perhaps her breath was not always so effective, so vigorous. Was she less the spiritual person for that?

What is spirituality to you? What is secular spiritual to you?

Note I wrote this in the OP

    Note the NRP and MRP are not exclusive measurement of spirituality, but also well being and other physical abilities. E.g. athletes and other non-spiritual performers may have high NRP, e.g. freedivers, singers, and the likes.

I believe the effectiveness of one's breath is one of the critical foundation of one's well being and spirituality.


I can certainly agree with the first part of this. Proper breathing is important to our physical and emotional well-being and to maintain mental balance.

Therefore proper breathing is also fundamental to spirituality, i.e. an imperative basic requirement.

The below quotes will give you an idea of what true spirituality is to me. One need not have a belief in God nor God in one's life but one may.

The moment one gives close attention to anything, even a blade of grass, it becomes a mysterious, awesome, indescribably magnificent world in itself. Henry Miller

The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious – the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Albert Einstein

When you arise in the morning think of what a privilege it is to be alive, to think, to enjoy, to love. Marcus Aurelius

Learn to get in touch with the silence within yourself and know that everything in this life has a purpose. There are no mistakes, no coincidences. All events are blessings given to us to learn from. Elizabeth Kübler-Ross

Those things make up or create the spiritual life for us. One may even be able to see that experiencing those things just might lead one to perfect breath - not the other way around.

So, is this more or less your meaning of spirituality (secular)?


Note I have defined Modern [Secular] Spirituality here;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=194659

Modern spirituality is centered on the "deepest values and meanings by which people live."[96] It embraces the idea of an ultimate or an alleged immaterial reality.[97] It envisions an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of his/her being.

Not all modern notions of spirituality embrace transcendental ideas. Secular spirituality emphasizes humanistic ideas on moral character (qualities such as love, compassion, patience, tolerance, forgiveness, contentment, responsibility, harmony, and a concern for others).[98]:22 These are aspects of life and human experience which go beyond a purely materialist view of the world without necessarily accepting belief in a supernatural reality or divine being.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual ... cteristics


Your above quotes are fine and can be representative of the states of spirituality which is likely to be accompanied with low breathing rate and calmness but it not an objective measurement of secular, religious nor theistic spirituality. We need some sort of objective assessment, at least the basic or fundamental element of it.

Point is if someone make claims of spiritual experiences but do not have the basic competence in breathing techniques in terms of NRP or MRP, then the person's spirituality will correlate with his NRP or MRP.
Therefore if someone cannot hold their breath normally i.e. NRP for more than 30 seconds, I can confidently rate the person's maximum spiritual level is likely to be 75% as a general assessments i.e. not conclusively.

Thus for example, if the Pope whom many regarded as highly spiritual, but if his NRP is less than 30 seconds, then the Pope spirituality can only go up to a maximum of 75% and not 99%.

On the other hand if we refer the Dalai Lama, I can confidently state his max is likely [subject to verification] to be 95% because Tibetan Buddhism put a high emphasis on breathing techniques ranging to the very sophisticated techniques.

It would appear you are unaware of how extensive, complicated, refined and sophisticated breathing techniques can be within the full range of the spiritual community.

I have not explained fully yet of how one's breath retention period [NRP or MRP] within the spiritual perspective correlates to one's propensity to believe in a God, Absolute or an ultimate entity.
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Re: Spirituality: How Long Can You Hold Your Breath?

Postby Prismatic567 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:37 am

No takers??
I am surprised no one here is interested in his/her own well-being and general spirituality.

Appreciate the following feedbacks in the following exercises;

Normal Retention Period:
Take two normal breaths,
Then the third breath,
at the end of the normal exhalation, press your nose, close your mouth and upon a normal urge to breath again, note the time you can hold your breath.
Is this <10 seconds >30 seconds >30 seconds >60 seconds?

Maximum Retention Period:
1. Take two normal breaths,
2. Then the third breath,
3. at the end of the normal exhalation, press your nose, close your mouth,
4. upon a normal urge to breath again, try and hold as long as possible till you cannot resist, then take breathe.
Is this <10 seconds >30 seconds >30 seconds >60 seconds >90 seconds or more?

Be Mindful of the following;
Did you notice the desperation you need to breath is an involuntary impulse.
Actually the average human being can survive without breathing for up to 4 minutes.
The auto trigger to breath desperately earlier than 4 minutes, i.e. <30 seconds is an involuntary act to ensure safety to avoid facing an emergency.

Impulse Control Ability
It is possible for the average person to control, modulate and extent the time of involuntary trigger to breath.
Therefore if one's NRP is <30 seconds this NRP can be extended beyond 30 seconds to 2 minutes and the MRP can be extended beyond 2 minutes and up to 22 minutes [a world record] with exercises and assistance.

NRP and MRP Correlation with Basic Spirituality
There is a correlation [btw not absolutely] between the NRP/MRP and one's level of Spirituality.
Anyone keen to increase his/her current NRP and MRP thus level of Spirituality and well being?
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