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“I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby barbarianhorde » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:42 pm

Joel Pollack wrote:Last month, a few days after my six-year-old daughter started first grade, I was standing in the schoolyard, having just watched her walk off to her classroom, when I was accosted by another parent.
She told me that, given my conservative views, I should leave liberal California and move to Kansas, where I’d learn how they treat Jews like me.

I asked her if she thought she was being “tolerant.” She replied: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

I have hesitated to write about that incident until now, because I did not want to escalate the conflict. But in the past several weeks, it has become clear that conservatives around the country are having similar experiences.

A few days ago, a college student canvassing door-to-door for Republican Justin Fareed in California’s 24th district was chased down the street by an enraged liberal. The assault was caught on video.

Unfortunately, it is not an isolated incident.

Democrats have deliberately encouraged this behavior. They did so long before Donald Trump arrived. In 2008, then-candidate Barack Obama told his supporters: “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”

Since Trump’s election, Democrats have only escalated those tactics.

A few months ago, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) deliberately, and unapologetically, encouraged Democrats to harass members of the Trump administration wherever they found them.

Republicans seized on her remarks to score political points — deservedly so. The problem, however, is that as damaging as Waters’ incendiary rhetoric is to the Democrats’ brand, it may also be brutally effective in suppressing Republican get-out-the-vote efforts.

Scott Adams, the Dilbert cartoonist who has become a widely respected political pundit thanks to his understanding of methods of persuasion, often notes that fear is the most effective form of persuasion.

Trump has warned voters that Democrats are an “angry mob” — and voters seem to agree, pushing up Republicans’ poll numbers. But polls do not vote — and volunteers may be too afraid of the mob to do what is necessary to make sure Republican voters turn out on Election Day.

There is already anecdotal evidence from the field, where Republicans are reluctant to canvass their neighborhoods, or even put up yard signs, lest they face retaliation.

One woman in Orange County, whom I met on Rep. Dana Rohrabacher’s (R-CA) visit to a marijuana dispensary with senior citizens this week, told me that she was a big fan of Trump — but would never say so publicly. She lives in the 39th district, represented by Rep. Mimi Walters (R-CA) — one of several districts Democrats have targeted, and that could decide the fate of the House.

This woman was brave enough to try marijuana for the first time, but not to tell her neighbors she votes Republican.

Trump supporters faced some of the same pressures during the 2016 election — though somewhat less intensely, as Democrats presumed he had no real chance of winning.

He prevailed regardless, because voters still trust the secret ballot. That is why Republicans still have a chance of holding the twenty or so swing districts in November.

But it is easier to turn voters out for a national candidate than for a local one. The political machinery has to be in place.

The midterm election is therefore about much more than which party controls the House. It is about whether the left-wing mob is to be rewarded for its behavior.

If Democrats win, there may be no turning back from the abyss.
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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby barbarianhorde » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:47 pm

Democrats have no shame.

As my friend says the whole leftist movement is basically nothing else than the fight against feeling shame. Basically the fight against sensibility for others and for the world. The fight of the organized sociopaths agains the rest of us.

Do you truly not see yet, dem-voters?

Yeah right.
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Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:43 pm

Ah, I see that the newest meme has reached you. Dems, mob rule....

Man, are you gullible. I recall a saying about William Jennings Bryant,

"a thought in his head will die of loneliness."

Do you truly not see yet, voters for the party of treason, the GOP.

Why not try this instead. Have some real thoughts about the difference
between the GOP and the Dem's. Try having a philosophical inquiry into
what the GOP actually stands for and a philosophical inquiry into what
the dem's stand for and for a nice change of pace, try to actually be honest.

I know, I know the indoctrination and superstitions and habits and
prejudices of yours that prevent honest thinking will prevent you
from holding a honest, intelligent inquiry into this question, but hay,
if you wish to be ignorant all your life, knock yourself out. As I cannot
change or stop your full fledge rush into ignorance, I shall hold out hope
that someday you might engage in an honest inquiry into why you are
so indoctrinated and prejudice and superstitious and that is my tolerent
thought for the day. I hope you become enlighten as to why you are so
ignorant.

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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby iambiguous » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:48 pm

Okay, possibly.

But do or do not Democrats and liberals claim precisely the same sort of thing in regard to Republicans and conservatives?

So, I would like to extend an invitation to folks all along the political spectrum to come here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

There we can explore your moral and political convictions as rooted in reason more or less than embedded existentially in the life that you lived.

How much actual certainty can we accumulate in regard to our moral and political values?

How can we know -- know beyond all doubt -- that our own values do in fact reflect that which all rational and ethical men and women are obligated to share?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby Silhouette » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:07 pm

Why are you listening to the loudest and most extreme shouters claiming to represent an entire half of the American political duopoly, and using their example to rule out that entire party (and possibly other presumed associations besides)?

Why not examine what said party actually does/represents versus alternatives in an objective manner, using evidence and commentary judged by you to be actually intellectually engaging instead of sensational?

Hysteria is such a problem in the internet age, because that's what catches the most attention and requires the least thought. It's what fuels these liberals you hate (as in another thread of yours) just as it fuels the people who rise to them in a cycle of stupidity. It's going to get us nowhere, and it's best to transcend it.
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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby barbarianhorde » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:18 pm

I now have a theory, which goes that in the current state of affairs the right represents the intelligence of mankind and the left the lazy mind which wills the end.

The theory is based on the fact that intelligence wants to look at facts and can also calculate with great groups of facts. In the democrats the only constant is constant redaction of their previous mistakes which, honestly, run into the hundreds of thousands in two years.

Nature wants to learn from her suffering but the democrats simply take tranquillizers and antidepressants.

I dunno Im talking here so sillily because hey were all just folks but Id definitely bet money on a big IQ gap.
Maybe its an EQ gap too. What sure is that Dem is for Demented.
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Postby Silhouette » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:52 pm

Based on that post, wouldn't its content suggest you are democrat?
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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby surreptitious75 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:28 am

iambiguous wrote:
How much actual certainty can we accumulate in regard to our moral and political values ?

Morality is not like mathematics. It does not deal in absolute truth. Instead it evolves over time from a foundation of consensus. But there are no tablets of stone dictating what that consensus should be about or how it can translate into objective morality. To assume otherwise is to misunderstand the nature of morality and
of free will. As free will negates the very notion of objective morality in two senses : the freedom to think for yourself and the freedom to act for yourself. Which
includes the freedom to go against the consensus in thought and in deed. Even those who share the common morality of a belief system or ideology will still retain
their individual free will which they can exercise any time they want to. So long as there is free will there cannot be objective morality. The two are incompatible
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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:33 am

Morality is exactly like mathematics ...

Everyone, for example, wants freewill without consequences they don't consent to.

There is not an exception to this for every possible being that exists.
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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby surreptitious75 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:46 am

barbarianhorde wrote:
I now have a theory which goes that in the current state of affairs the right represents the intelligence of mankind and the left the lazy mind which wills the end

Then that is a theory based on a simplification so binary that it renders itself meaningless. Intelligence is no more exclusive to the right than laziness is to the
left. The reality is way more subtle than that. Right and left are actually spectra not single monolithic entities where everyone thinks exactly the same. There
are also those who are not exclusively right or left but a combination of both
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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:52 am

I've said it before on these boards and I'll say it again!!!

Right, left, progressive, independent, green, libertarian, socialist, anarchist, communist. Etc...

All these parties mean EXACTLY the same if you have a good population and good executive/administrators.

One is not inherently better than the other... as long as there a hundreds of millions of fuck ups, no party works.
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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby surreptitious75 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:00 am

Ecmandu wrote:
Everyone for example wants freewill without consequences they dont consent to

The consequences of free will are mistakes that have to be learned from so that they are not repeated
Once mistakes have been made then the question of consent becomes irrelevant because of personal responsibility
This is true even when the consequences were unknown in advance because ignorance cannot be used as an excuse
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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:09 am

surreptitious75 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
Everyone for example wants freewill without consequences they dont consent to

The consequences of free will are mistakes that have to be learned from so that they are not repeated
Once mistakes have been made then the question of consent becomes irrelevant because of personal responsibility
This is true even when the consequences were unknown in advance because ignorance cannot be used as an excuse


You're speaking from the perspective of a zero sum reality, you're putting your masculinity into a reality which is evil on its face... to define you as a man, (zero sum) separate from others ...

You want ego, instead of non zero sum realities

You don't look at a zero sum reality and say, "if I win, I lose", you're in it for the dominance.
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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby surreptitious75 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:05 am

Ecmandu wrote:
You re speaking from the perspective of a zero sum reality you re putting your masculinity into
a reality which is evil on its face ... to define you as a man ( zero sum ) separate from others ...

You want ego instead of non zero sum realities

You dont look at a zero sum reality and say if I win I lose you re in it for the dominance

Non zero sum reality does not work in this reality which we all experience because it is negated by free will so as a concept it is simply meaningless
You have to deal with the reality which actually exists not the reality that you want to exist because the only place where that exists is in your mind

As long as human beings have free will there can be no such thing as non zero sum reality
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Re: “I am tolerant. I just hate you.”

Postby lordoflight » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:09 pm

Purge the swamp. That means both Democrats and Republicans have to go. Both have some agenda of making a monoparty.
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