John McCain, the last reasonable man

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John McCain, the last reasonable man

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:28 pm

Apparently every single man woman and child on the left now considers McCain a kind of Aristotle of wisdom, someone without whom the whole rational universe collapses.

I wonder why they didn't vote for him when they had the chance.
I guess due to the unfathomable genius they couldn't yet see before he was put in the ground.

Alas.
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Re: John McCain, the last reasonable man

Postby Destiny » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:00 am

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Re: John McCain, the last reasonable man

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:22 am

Fixed, they didn't vote for him because he was running against Obama, and Obama appealed to voters as someone who would do more to actually help people who needed help on the domestic front. World politics are, in the end more important than domestic ones, or at least of more consequence in certain conditions. But, when there's a trillion and a half in student loan debt, artificial scarcity of antibiotics, and anyone who's parents didn't leave them a fortune can only dream of owning a modest home without dying of old age before the mortgage is paid....appealing to domestic issues can bring votes. I mean, it's hard to worry about what's happening in the bigger picture when the vast majority of people are trying to keep their power bill paid and keep the water from being turned off.

Minimum wage is 7.25 an hour, after payroll deductions that's about 5 bucks. So even at 60 hours a week, that's 300 bucks a week. Some people are just dumb and incompetent and can't get better jobs, and those people can vote. If a society is to be judged based on how it treats it's poor...there's something to think about here when someone could try and pull up by their own bootstraps, work 60 hours a week, and still not have enough money for basic food, occasional checkups at the doctor, dental work, housing etc.

If McCain had run against Hillary, then he would have been president.
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Re: John McCain, the last reasonable man

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:23 am

Destiny wrote:
Ali Abunimah

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The most touching moment of John McCain’s funeral was when a Jabhat al-Nusra honor guard fired a 21 AK-47 salute as Ukrainian Nazi pall bearers solemnly filed past with his casket. Overhead a squadron of B-52s streamed red, white and blue napalm in tribute to a human rights icon.
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War is war. Everyone does it. Don't try and be all high and mighty.
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Re: John McCain, the last reasonable man

Postby Gloominary » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:27 pm

People usually talk more highly of others when they die, whether it's genuine, or contrived.
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Re: John McCain, the last reasonable man

Postby Destiny » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:32 pm

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Re: John McCain, the last reasonable man

Postby Destiny » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:36 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:
Destiny wrote:
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The most touching moment of John McCain’s funeral was when a Jabhat al-Nusra honor guard fired a 21 AK-47 salute as Ukrainian Nazi pall bearers solemnly filed past with his casket. Overhead a squadron of B-52s streamed red, white and blue napalm in tribute to a human rights icon.
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War is war. Everyone does it. Don't try and be all high and mighty.

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Re: John McCain, the last reasonable man

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:21 am

You're responding with an old movie quote?
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Re: John McCain, the last reasonable man

Postby Destiny » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:33 pm

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
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Re: John McCain, the last reasonable man

Postby barbarianhorde » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:02 pm

My dad had some good things to say about McCain. But my dad is merciful.
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Re: John McCain, the last reasonable man

Postby iambiguous » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:24 pm

Of course: John McCain is a reasonable man if he largely shares your own values and opinions. And unreasonable if he doesn't.

That never changes does it?

As for whether or not he is a hero, well, that's also just a point of view.

Consider:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/20/opin ... bombs.html

This was basically the role that he played in the war. From way up in the sky he flew over North Vietnam and "delivered his load" of bombs. Never once actually witnessing the terrible pain and suffering these bombs inflicted on those they fell on.

Though of course all of this gets embedded in whether or not you believe that bombing campaigns themselves were a "reasonable" thing. Some folks on the left however look at John McCain here from a different point of view:
https://www.politico.com/story/2008/06/ ... ord-011429

So, is this "reasonable?"

He was just one of the few unfortunate pilots to be shot down. Though, come on, if someone dropped bombs on you, how would you react to him after he had been captured?

Would you be "reasonable"?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
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