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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:07 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Ecmandu, you are a crazy bastard.


Well, I know who my father is, so I'm not a bastard.

Actually, since I'm a "pill baby" (conceived of a mother taking the pill) I could actually be immaculately conceived !!

Crazy? Maybe. I'll walk, actually run, into nooks of existence many fear to tread.

Good idea? Probably not.

Made me who I am today though...

Which I happen to think is a great idea.

Go figure.
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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby Prismatic567 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:21 am

Ecmandu wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:To additionally explain this:

From a Buddhist perspective, there is something called "dependent arising".

This basically means that something else has to exist in order for something to exist.

What both of the phrases mean in terms of time is that in every moment, existence is just beginning to exist through the lack of isn't, and dependent arising.

That's why the present is so important in Buddhism.

The present moment is all of creation.

Yes there is 'dependent origination' [inter-beingness] is Buddhism, but there is also the concept of 'Sunyata' aka 'emptiness' and that is ultimately extended to 'nothingness' [it is contentious]. But I do not agree with the opposing view taking into the account the principle of the Buddhist Tetralemma.


The way I've had emptiness taught to me is that dreams are just as real as waking life, and thus, they are both not real, you must wake from the dream of the dreams and the dream of the waking life.

Since dreams are empty, and waking life is also empty, this is called "everything is emptiness". Unless you wake up from both dreams, then you are called an "awakened one", enlightened.

Agree to an extent, but the point is 'awakened_ness' is also empty as with emptiness is also empty. Where one do not adopt this principle, there is a good chance the ego [self] will creep in to grab/cling [Upādāna] at whatever.

There are many [monks, gurus, mystics] who claimed to be awakened and had/have many followers but they turned out be involved in many evil scandals.
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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby surreptitious75 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:54 pm

iambiguous wrote:
If the only accumulated knowledge in the entire universe is here on Earth and tomorrow the Really Really Really Big One
[ asteroid / comet ] strikes it and obliterates all life forms what of knowledge then ?

It will cease to exist because knowledge requires minds so without them it is no more
Information however does not require minds so it will carry on existing just as before
A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby Dan~ » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:17 am

Ecmandu wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Ecmandu, you are a crazy bastard.


Well, I know who my father is, so I'm not a bastard.

Actually, since I'm a "pill baby" (conceived of a mother taking the pill) I could actually be immaculately conceived !!

Crazy? Maybe. I'll walk, actually run, into nooks of existence many fear to tread.

Good idea? Probably not.

Made me who I am today though...

Which I happen to think is a great idea.

Go figure.


Although i find this funny, it is actually a bad idea to go around thinking people are crazy bastards.
It's a trick where you compare yourself to the worst people therefor you are great because you aren't as bad as they are.
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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:42 am

Dan? Your post reads like you agree that I'm not only a crazy bastard, but among the worst life has to offer.

Was that your intent?
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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby Dan~ » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:06 am

Ecmandu wrote:Dan? Your post reads like you agree that I'm not only a crazy bastard, but among the worst life has to offer.
Was that your intent?

I was saying that the process of insulting people on forums is a mistake.
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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby Dan~ » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:07 am

That was a most surprising strawman. Hopefully your questioning spirit can clarify many things.
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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:06 am

What? I meant it as a compliment.

I only ever listen to crazy bastards. Ecmandu is one for sure.

What kinda sicko uses bastard to suggest you don't know who your father is?
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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby iambiguous » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:51 pm

Lloyd Strickland from the Conversation website
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In an ideal world, every extraordinary philosophical question would come with an extraordinary story telling the tale of how someone first thought of it. Unfortunately, we can only guess at what led a German philosopher, perhaps today best known for the Choco Leibniz biscuits later named after him, to come up with what is often described as the greatest philosophical question of all, namely: why is there something rather than nothing?


At least we can all surely agree here about that. What could possibly be more important to grasp than why there is something and not nothing at all?

Only after this either can or cannot be established does it make sense to move on to why this something and not another something instead.

Only how on earth is it possible to answer a question involving something that you are yourself inherently a part of? Here the objective truth is being pursued subjectively by a mind that is unable even to explain how and why it is embedded in something at all.

So: Is there any realistic way at all to explore this "reasonably"?
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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby iambiguous » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:56 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
If the only accumulated knowledge in the entire universe is here on Earth and tomorrow the Really Really Really Big One
[ asteroid / comet ] strikes it and obliterates all life forms what of knowledge then ?

It will cease to exist because knowledge requires minds so without them it is no more
Information however does not require minds so it will carry on existing just as before


So, if human intelligence actually is the only source of knowledge in the universe, then all that existed going back to whatever actually explains somethingness itself, was still around.

Whatever that means?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby surreptitious75 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:31 am

iambiguous wrote:
So if human intelligence actually is the only source of knowledge in the universe

Humans are recipients of knowledge not its source as that is the external physical world
For we acquire scientific facts through observation rather than through simple deduction
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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby iambiguous » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:52 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
So if human intelligence actually is the only source of knowledge in the universe

Humans are recipients of knowledge not its source as that is the external physical world
For we acquire scientific facts through observation rather than through simple deduction


Okay, but however we attain our knowledge, how exactly do we wrap our heads [here and now] around a universe in which there are no conscious minds around [determined or otherwise] to acknowledge its very existence?

That's one of the reasons mere mortals invent the Gods. To provide themselves with a frame of mind that is always around. A mind not only able to acknowledge the existence of the universe but to actually create it. That way we can always sweep the stuff we don't know about it under the rug we call "God's will". His "mysterious ways".

Then we are particularly in over our heads when we attempt to grapple with the origin of God's knowledge.

It's all this gigantic mystery. Not only do we seem unable to explain something rather than nothing at all, we don't seem able to comprehend how on earth we would even go about explaining it.

Unless of course someone actually has and I am simply unable to grasp it.
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Re: Something Instead of Nothing

Postby Artimas » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:08 pm

I and you are the something to come of nothing through nature (objectivity) and the nothing has determined my consciousness a possibility, of which has granted me nature’s power of being something and bringing something from nothing or I may revert back to nothing from something through the remaining of staying in traps and the unknowing promotion of ignorance.

If nothing is better than something to an individual , then what value does their life have? One may return to nothing from something instead of building something from nothing, this is called suicide.

Welcome to the reality ladies and gents, fear and pain. Accept it and make it worth it through an everlasting manifestable plate of possibilities. (Evolution).

Creating something from nothing from individual consciousness is where subjectivity is born and manifestable.

A "god" who deserves worship will be humble enough to reject it; A "god" who demands worship will not be worthy of it.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

"My ancestors are smiling on me, Imperials. Can you say the same?"

"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

Truth is pain, and pain is gain.


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