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Re: Kompromat

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:02 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:The honorable ex chairman from the F.B.I. James Comey recently Tweeted that anybody that votes republican in the coming elections will be supporting treason and the Russia foreign takeover of our nation. I think he's right you guys, we need to vote democrat in order to get the sleazy Commisar out of office.

If you vote for Trump in the coming elections or republicans you're not a patriotic American but instead support foreign treason and sedition.

Trump's nationalism or protectionism is bad for business concerning international Jewry therefore with that alone I must oppose him. Sure, he moved our embassy to Jerusalem and defended us within the UN but his policies is bad for our financial bottom line in our global initiatives. Globalism is the future, nationalism isn't.


Ironically as it were?

But I'll pose the same points to you that I posed to Wendy:

My question to you is still this: what if you're wrong? What if it turns out that Trump did collude with Putin in order to throw the election his way?

Would that even matter?

Again, I suspect that in regard to particular issues near and dear to you, Trump is your man. And towards those ends, any means that he employs either to attain power or to sustain it, is justified.

In other words, there is no sense in really even trying to argue with you about Trump because those particular policies of his are in sync with your own -- and Joker's? -- political prejudices.

And [I suspect further] never in a million years would you consider that perhaps these prejudices are just existential contraptions rooted in dasein. To go down that path is to risk pulling the rug out from under the psychological comfort and consolation of just KNOWING that the liberal scum are all that separates us from the way the world ought to be run.

Then it's just a question of insisting that you and your kind are the only ones who really, really, really KNOW what that is.

What you believe, I suspect, pales next to the fact that you do believe it. It's the rock-solid certainty of your dogmatic narrative that propels your contributions here.

Let's start there, okay? Pick a particular Trump policy that you wholeheartedly embrace and explain to us why any and all who are not "one of us" in regard to it are necessarily wrong about it.



Again, no huffing and puffing, no name-calling, no Kid stuff.

Instead, an intelligent and civil discussion regarding how you have come to embrace the political prejudices that you subscribe to here and now.

Do you see them as basically subjective/subjunctive predilections rooted existentially in the particular life that you have lived, or, instead, are you able to defend them as that which all rational men and women are obligated to embrace.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:20 pm

I don't know who this Joker is as I am 100% globalist and kosher. My name is David Horowitz not this Joker you're referring to and I am still in the process of getting my new username changed to that.

There absolutely is no question or debate that there is a Russian in the white house, I was totally agreeing with you. We need to get that foreign commissar out of the Whitehouse!
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Re: Kompromat

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:43 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:I don't who this Joker is as I am 100% globalist and kosher. My name is David Horowitz not this Joker you're referring to and I am still in the process of getting my new username changed to that.

There absolutely is no question or debate that there is a Russian in the white house, I was totally agreeing with you. We need to get that foreign commissar out of the Whitehouse!



More Kid stuff.

Yawn.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:39 am

Zero_Sum wrote:I don't who this Joker is as I am 100% globalist and kosher. My name is David Horowitz not this Joker you're referring to and I am still in the process of getting my new username changed to that.

There absolutely is no question or debate that there is a Russian in the white house, I was totally agreeing with you. We need to get that foreign commissar out of the Whitehouse!

He's an incredibly pro Israel Russian, so you should be pleased. He surrounded himself with Pro israel advisors and hawkish Iran haters.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:52 am

iambiguous wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:I don't who this Joker is as I am 100% globalist and kosher. My name is David Horowitz not this Joker you're referring to and I am still in the process of getting my new username changed to that.

There absolutely is no question or debate that there is a Russian in the white house, I was totally agreeing with you. We need to get that foreign commissar out of the Whitehouse!



More Kid stuff.

Yawn.

You're acting very cheeky, are you a Russian agent also? That's exactly what a Russian agent would say. Perhaps we need to do an F.B.I. Russian collusion assessment of all individuals living in the United States just to be sure.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:54 am

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:I don't who this Joker is as I am 100% globalist and kosher. My name is David Horowitz not this Joker you're referring to and I am still in the process of getting my new username changed to that.

There absolutely is no question or debate that there is a Russian in the white house, I was totally agreeing with you. We need to get that foreign commissar out of the Whitehouse!

He's an incredibly pro Israel Russian, so you should be pleased. He surrounded himself with Pro israel advisors and hawkish Iran haters.

I don't know, maybe he's a fifth column member that is not only conspiring against the United States but Israel also. I have my suspicions.

Until he bombs Tehran with a nuclear missile ushering the new messiah I will have to hold onto my suspicions.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:19 am

"If you see or hear something suspicious, report it and say something." - Brought to you by the F.B.I., C.I.A., Democratic Party, and Homeland Security.


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Re: Kompromat

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:01 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:I don't know, maybe he's a fifth column member that is not only conspiring against the United States but Israel also. I have my suspicions.

Until he bombs Tehran with a nuclear missile ushering the new messiah I will have to hold onto my suspicions.
Only if he then converts. I mean, maybe he'll target Israel next. The enemy of my enemy might be just a psychopath. But I'll admit it's a good first test.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:51 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:I don't know, maybe he's a fifth column member that is not only conspiring against the United States but Israel also. I have my suspicions.

Until he bombs Tehran with a nuclear missile ushering the new messiah I will have to hold onto my suspicions.
Only if he then converts. I mean, maybe he'll target Israel next. The enemy of my enemy might be just a psychopath. But I'll admit it's a good first test.

Don't forget bombing Tehran with a nuclear missile, they're a threat to Israel, the United States, and world peace.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:23 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:You're acting very cheeky, are you a Russian agent also? That's exactly what a Russian agent would say. Perhaps we need to do an F.B.I. Russian collusion assessment of all individuals living in the United States just to be sure.



Even your attempt to be clever here comes off as just more Kid stuff.

Well, to me.

Anyway, anytime you [or Wendy] would like to explore my speculation regarding the extent to which our reactions to the Trump scandal are basically just existential contraptions rooted in dasein, I'd certainly be willing to give it a go. And, no, I don't exclude my own reaction.

No huffing and puffing. Just a serious attempt to understand how particular individuals come to think and feel as they do about things like this.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:26 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:You're acting very cheeky, are you a Russian agent also? That's exactly what a Russian agent would say. Perhaps we need to do an F.B.I. Russian collusion assessment of all individuals living in the United States just to be sure.



Even your attempt to be clever here comes off as just more Kid stuff.

Well, to me.

Anyway, anytime you [or Wendy] would like to explore my speculation regarding the extent to which our reactions to the Trump scandal are basically just existential contraptions rooted in dasein, I'd certainly be willing to give it a go. And, no, I don't exclude my own reaction.

No huffing and puffing. Just a serious attempt to understand how particular individuals come to think and feel as they do about things like this.


I don't know what you're talking about, I am a registered voter of the democratic party and financial donator to AIPAC.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:29 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:You're acting very cheeky, are you a Russian agent also? That's exactly what a Russian agent would say. Perhaps we need to do an F.B.I. Russian collusion assessment of all individuals living in the United States just to be sure.



Even your attempt to be clever here comes off as just more Kid stuff.

Well, to me.

Anyway, anytime you [or Wendy] would like to explore my speculation regarding the extent to which our reactions to the Trump scandal are basically just existential contraptions rooted in dasein, I'd certainly be willing to give it a go. And, no, I don't exclude my own reaction.

No huffing and puffing. Just a serious attempt to understand how particular individuals come to think and feel as they do about things like this.


I don't know what you're talking about, I am a registered voter of the democratic party and financial donator to AIPAC.


Note to others:

Enough said? :banana-linedance:
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:31 pm

^^^Russian cointelpro.


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Re: Kompromat

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:54 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:I don't know, maybe he's a fifth column member that is not only conspiring against the United States but Israel also. I have my suspicions.

Until he bombs Tehran with a nuclear missile ushering the new messiah I will have to hold onto my suspicions.
Only if he then converts. I mean, maybe he'll target Israel next. The enemy of my enemy might be just a psychopath. But I'll admit it's a good first test.

Don't forget bombing Tehran with a nuclear missile, they're a threat to Israel, the United States, and world peace.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:57 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:More like McDonald's, Shell and woman and gays who live there.

We will destroy Iran and install a neo liberal democratic form of capitalism there in our lifetime.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:25 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
Karpel Tunnel wrote:More like McDonald's, Shell and woman and gays who live there.

We will destroy Iran and install a neo liberal democratic form of capitalism there in our lifetime.
Won't all the socialist and communist Jews be angry? Zionism is national socialism transferred to the Middle East. While there hasn't been a Holocaust level application, it is structurally the same in relation to race and land and militarism and its relation to other oppressive regimes. We can only hope that nothing like national socialism spreads to other countries. I know this sounds odd since, hey, Israel allows capitalism. Sure, just like Hitler, as long as the contained within national socialism capitalists support the national socialism. Capitalism like a subsidiary to a national socialism that is a fascism.

Of course while those fascists in such national socialisms focus on race to give people something to fuss around with rather than the people with real power who could give a shit about their 'own people', they laugh at the people who do their bidding by focusing on race.

It is so fucking facile to focus on race. Unless you are doing it to manipulate people, then it's just evil.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:32 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
Karpel Tunnel wrote:More like McDonald's, Shell and woman and gays who live there.

We will destroy Iran and install a neo liberal democratic form of capitalism there in our lifetime.
Won't all the socialist and communist Jews be angry? Zionism is national socialism transferred to the Middle East. While there hasn't been a Holocaust level application, it is structurally the same in relation to race and land and militarism and its relation to other oppressive regimes. We can only hope that nothing like national socialism spreads to other countries. I know this sounds odd since, hey, Israel allows capitalism. Sure, just like Hitler, as long as the contained within national socialism capitalists support the national socialism. Capitalism like a subsidiary to a national socialism that is a fascism.

Of course while those fascists in such national socialisms focus on race to give people something to fuss around with rather than the people with real power who could give a shit about their 'own people', they laugh at the people who do their bidding by focusing on race.

It is so fucking facile to focus on race. Unless you are doing it to manipulate people, then it's just evil.


Capitalism, socialism, who really cares? We Jews control both.

The western democratic neo liberal form of politick is an infusion of both capitalism and socialism.

Zionism is ultra nationalistic in that our goal is to control the world through internationalism.

Only a racist or anti semite would compare us to Adolf Hitler.

All of this is the will of God, who are you to argue with God? This was all prophesied thousands of years ago.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:54 am

WendyDarling wrote:His indictments are baseless regarding Trump and Russia, fishing expedition blanks with absolutely no ties to the election and least of all to Trump who is his primary target. Why can't you accept that he's doing a crap job that's costed the US taxpayers millions of dollars with no caps on his budget and still no evidence of Trump collusion after a year and umpteen indictments into it? In another three years, he'll average another fifty indictments into it and still nothing related to Trump being a Russian operative. Fifteen years from now and two billions dollars spent on his investigation later and no Trump charges, sure everyone else who knows Trump and has ever been Russian or spoken with a Russian will have indictments pending against them for money laundering, fraud, lying under oath to corrupt federal agents, urinating on prostitutes in public, blah, blah, blah, but Trump will still be innocent of collusion. :lol:



Why are you so upset that someone is trying to get to the bottom of hacking the election? Whether it's about Trump being an operative, or just a beneficiary of a tainted election should be irrelevant.

I think this probe has cost less than the amount of money that's been saved by gutting the state department and the epa, so it's budget neutral. Hyperbole is just that. Your numbers don't add up.

Also, Clinton was impeached for lying about a blowjob, and a right wing congress spent more time investigating that than Mueller has investigating the election fraud. So how do you reconcile that with being so upset about what's happening now?

It seems like you're blindly defending your team here without taking into account that all the intelligence agencies agree that there was outside tampering in the election and that there's something more at stake than your idol being disgraces.

Big picture Wendy. Think about what you're actually reasoning toward.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:57 am

Not liking Trump isn't the only reason for wanting Mueller to be able to continue to effectively execute his role. You might consider that some of us prefer to have a representative government that is accountable to our interests and that untainted elections should be seen as a positive thing to anyone who wants to live in a democracy.

Don't be such a fan that you shit on what ought be considered good, non partisan principles about how a government ought function and how leaders ought be chosen because you're too propagandized to see what's right in front of you and evident to anyone who gets news from anywhere but the alt right sites and fox news.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:19 am

January 5-6, 2017 - Intelligence officials meet separately with Obama and Trump to present the results of their probe into cyber espionage during the presidential campaign. After the president and the president-elect are briefed, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence releases a declassified version of its classified report on Russian meddling. According to the report, hackers did not breach voting machines or computers that tallied election results but Russians meddled in other ways. Putin ordered a multifaceted influence campaign that included spreading pro-Trump propaganda online and hacking the DNC and Podesta. Bracing for a possible Clinton win, Russian bloggers were prepared to promote a hashtag #DemocracyRIP on election night. Paid social media users, aka "trolls," shared stories about Clinton controversies to create a cloud of scandal around her campaign.
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Rest easy, there was no breach in voting. Mueller never needed to investigate tampering with the election process which is what you were referring to because there was no one "hacking the election". True, Russians, Chinese, Japanese, Iranians and every other country could have somehow propagandized some ad campaigns for Hillary, for Trump, for fucking Rand Paul or some other presidential hopeful. Rogue governments, any of them worldwide, could have been behind the DNC hacks, but the US intel agencies are after Russia only because Putin puts a kink in their globalist agenda by being a nationalist the same as Trump and Horowitz may be onto to something that Russia is too ethnically white of a nation, not multi-culturally diverse like the globalists want it. US intelligence has nothing first hand that it was Russian involvement in any hacks which I've already covered. What came out about Hillary and John Podesta, as well as the rest of the Dem. party was in your face truth about their shady business practices so I'm pleased that they were hacked so we could all be made well aware of what they were up to in Washington. They are scum by their own writings. Since Russia didn't change any votes and cyber security has been ratcheted up hundreds of notches, you can come down off your high horse and stop lecturing about nothing.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:01 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote: Of course while those fascists in such national socialisms focus on race to give people something to fuss around with rather than the people with real power who could give a shit about their 'own people', they laugh at the people who do their bidding by focusing on race.


Cue Mr. Zimmerman: https://youtu.be/bXWM84rUV-Q

And, of course, Don Trump. Then it's just a question of whether Trump is only "playing politics" here himself; or, instead, really is intent on playing the race card all the way out to...the gas chambers?

As one suspects some of his more fanatic enablers are.

And how about Joker and Wendy here. How far do they want to take it re the Jews and all of the "not white" folks? And note how, above all else, they steer clear of the arguments that I present to them.

Why you might ask?

Karpel Tunnel wrote: It is so fucking facile to focus on race. Unless you are doing it to manipulate people, then it's just evil.


You focus on "whatever works". But works to what end?

As for the "worst case scenario" here being evil, it doesn't work that way for me. Not in a No God world. Not down the fucking hole that "I" am in.

Well, "here and now".

Consider: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/concept-evil/

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Re: Kompromat

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:20 pm

And how about Joker and Wendy here. How far do they want to take it re the Jews and all of the "not white" folks? And note how, above all else, they steer clear of the arguments that I present to them.

No one here enjoys exchanges with your cut and paste one track mind ridiculousness that is abject of reality by the way you refuse to define the words you are using in said exchanges. Talk about kid stuff, baiting people into your stupid hole where you use meaningless words that are not in relation to the greater reality, only in your subjective head.

Joker and I believe in racial separatism, not gas chambers or any other vile things you imply with your twisted twatter, so fuck off ass munch.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:57 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
And how about Joker and Wendy here. How far do they want to take it re the Jews and all of the "not white" folks? And note how, above all else, they steer clear of the arguments that I present to them.

No one here enjoys exchanges with your cut and paste one track mind ridiculousness that is abject of reality by the way you refuse to define the words you are using in said exchanges. Talk about kid stuff, baiting people into your stupid hole where you use meaningless words that are not in relation to the greater reality, only in your subjective head.

Joker and I believe in racial separatism, not gas chambers or any other vile things you imply with your twisted twatter, so fuck off ass munch.


Okay, fair enough.

But my curiosity here still revolves more around why and how you came to think the way you do. Why that and not something else? In other words, how is it embedded in the manner in which I construe the meaning of any particular human identity [re value judgments] as more an existential contraption than a frame of mind that can be defended philosophically, or ideologically, or theologically, or scientifically, or genetically [naturally] re folks like Satyr.

Take us back, okay?

How has your life unfolded with respect to issues of race? What actual experiences, relationships, sources of information and knowledge etc., nudged/propelled you in the direction that embodies your own particular "I" here and now.

Have you thought this through?

And, if so, what are the components of your argument [in a venue such as this] that might persuade others to think and feel as you do now?

And then [more with Joker than with you] this part:

Zero comes here adopting the persona of a fierce supporter of the Jews. We of course are meant to see through the "irony" of this.

But then I got to thinking that maybe the irony instead revolves more around the fact that he is not being ironic at all!

Hell, maybe his shtick here is actually to expose those who do go after the Jews. Those who embrace a frame of mind more in sync with the manner in which, say, the Nazis went after them.

Is that...possible?
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Re: Kompromat

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:50 pm

Another point of view here...

From Anne Applebaum's column today.

Nearly a year ago, I speculated that the Trump campaign might have shared data with the Russian Internet Research Agency, the team that created fake personas and put up fake Facebook pages with the goal of spreading false stories about Hillary Clinton. The Russians certainly seemed to know what they were doing. On the one hand, the Russian team targeted people who they thought might be moved to support Trump by anti-immigration slogans and messages; on the other hand, they targeted black voters with messages designed to discourage them from voting at all.

The latest indictment produced by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation, together with President Trump’s strange performance in Helsinki, suggests a different hypothesis: that Russia shared data with the Trump campaign, and not vice versa. The indictment explains that the Russian hackers who broke into the servers of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Democratic National Committee not only stole the now- infamous emails but also stole data. “The Conspirators,” reads the indictment, “searched for and identified computers within the DCCC and DNC networks that stored information related to the 2016 U.S. presidential election.” They then “gathered data by creating backups, or ‘snapshots,’ of the DNC’s cloud-based systems” and “moved the snapshots to cloud-based accounts they had registered with the same service thereby stealing the data from the DNC.”

The Russian hackers, in other words, are the modern equivalents of the Watergate burglars in 1972. The only difference is the technology. The Watergate burglars broke into the Democratic campaign offices to tap phones and steal documents; the Russian hackers used malware and “cloud-based accounts” to achieve the same goal.

Did they share this information with the Trump campaign? If so, the timing is interesting. In October, a few weeks after the hackers broke into the DNC servers, New York Times journalist Maggie Haberman observed a major shift in the way the Trump campaign was spending its advertising budget. Access to Democratic Party data would, of course, have been useful in redirecting that spending. At about the same time, Trump also began using a curious set of conspiratorial slogans and messages, all lifted directly from Russian state television and websites. From Barack Obama “founded ISIS” to Hillary Clinton will start “World War III,” Trump repeated them at his rallies and on his Twitter feed. It was as if he had some reason to believe they would work.


On the other hand...

It’s important to stop and acknowledge that the evidence we have does not establish this kind of connection between Russian hackers and the Trump campaign; the Mueller probe needs to continue unimpeded to help determine what happened and what did not.

Still...

But shared data could explain why Russian state media, the Russian Internet Research Agency and the Trump campaign were all doing the same kinds of things at the same time. Shared data could also explain why Trump appeared to feel so indebted to Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, why he wanted to speak to him with no aides present, why he is so reluctant to acknowledge Russian interference. It could even explain why he talks so obsessively and inaccurately about the size of his great electoral victory: because he himself believes that the Russians helped him win. He fears that this would make his presidency illegitimate. Which it would.

Carry on Bob Mueller.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:18 am

WendyDarling wrote:Joker and I believe in racial separatism
It must be hard for both of you living in precisely the wrong country so many years after having that would be remotely possible.
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