Urwrongx1000 wrote:Wrong.
Do you like driving on smoothly paved roads,
In luxurious cars?
Do you like calling people across the world,
Using your shiny mini-computer cell phone?
Do you like more comforts and easiness,
Than ever before in the history of mankind?
Then you owe your Thanks to the 'monopolies' and corporations of Capitalism.
You are biting the hand that feeds you. You should be bowing in reverence instead.
Silhouette wrote:Monopoly is inseparable from Capitalism? Right.
And then you have pro-Capitalists arguing against a planned economy because it's a monopoly...![]()
Iterated trading games, even random ones, all tend towards it necessarily. It's not difficult to see how:
The object of "Free Market Capitalism" is for as many transactions as possible to be "consensual" as opposed to "coerced", but when consensual means whoever has the desired object wants to make a profit, they are necessarily going to be selling for more than was paid to employees to create it/provide it. Add to this the freedom to use psychological tricks to create/enhance a demand (advertising) and there is even more potential for profit and on a wider scale. Iterate this necessary case over and over, and you see money steadily flowing into the hands of those who "own" the businesses that create/provide all the things that people want/need in life (whether or not they actually even contribute to the product/service themselves). Iterate this steady flow and eventually all the wealth has pooled in the hands of the few. The few buy out their competitors, and you get these massive companies that own all the "variety" of goods outlets and service providers we see.
Monopoly is the endgame, fact. But let's not have a planned economy to stop this because it will be a monopoly
Gloominary wrote:we face earth's 6th mass extinction event,
Capitalism and Monopolies are propelling the human population to new heights, people are living longer than ever before, people are healthier than ever before, the entire planet is thriving and greener than ever before. Everything is going in the right direction, and still fear-mongers and doomsday prophets claim that "we're all going to die!!! AHHH!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!" It's all bullshit.
WendyDarling wrote:Capitalism and Monopolies are propelling the human population to new heights, people are living longer than ever before, people are healthier than ever before, the entire planet is thriving and greener than ever before. Everything is going in the right direction, and still fear-mongers and doomsday prophets claim that "we're all going to die!!! AHHH!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!" It's all bullshit.
Heights as in skyscrapers and jets. Are people living longer though? Didn't ancient Greeks live into their 80's too as documented in their written works? I'm not buying that we live longer in terms of years per se but more of us survive birth with modern medicine aiding sick infants. With all the man-made foods/chemicals, GMOs, and preservatives, are we healthier with an unprecedented rise in mental health challenges from eating disorders (anorexia/obesity), to gender identity crisis, to rising suicide rates? If people were healthier wouldn't they be happier and better adjusted to modern life? What do you mean the planet is greener with the ocean pollution choking off eco systems and deforestation bulldozing land based ecosystems away? Progress equals unprecendented pollution that is piled miles high and long in landfills the world over. Progress needs to cease and desist before the tipping point of our environment on a planet of finite resources reaches the point of no return, the well's run dry.
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Those who are slave-minded, nihilistic, look at existence as inherently negative. They project their own inner-constitution outward, to the world, to objects, to other people. To the Nihilist, there is no hope, there is no faith, there is no progress, there is no evolution, and all actions are futile. However, their actions everyday contradict this, as they obey their own instincts and reflexes. It's more of a moping-attitude, a depression, an inner-weakness.
Silhouette wrote:Urwrongx1000 wrote:Those who are slave-minded, nihilistic, look at existence as inherently negative. They project their own inner-constitution outward, to the world, to objects, to other people. To the Nihilist, there is no hope, there is no faith, there is no progress, there is no evolution, and all actions are futile. However, their actions everyday contradict this, as they obey their own instincts and reflexes. It's more of a moping-attitude, a depression, an inner-weakness.
Those who are master-minded, overlooking and controlling, look at existence from both positive and negative angles. They project their own inner-constitution outward, to the world, to objects, to other people. To the master, there is hope and faith, there is reason to doubt hope and faith, there is progress because the bigger picture is seen, there is evolution, no matter how futile things may seem upon sufficient analysis.
So Capitalism and Monopoly is bad because all 7 billion humans are going to die in 10 years??
Bad argument, I don't buy it.
WendyDarling wrote:Heights as in skyscrapers and jets. Are people living longer though? Didn't ancient Greeks live into their 80's too as documented in their written works? I'm not buying that we live longer in terms of years per se but more of us survive birth with modern medicine aiding sick infants. With all the man-made foods/chemicals, GMOs, and preservatives, are we healthier with an unprecedented rise in mental health challenges from eating disorders (anorexia/obesity), to gender identity crisis, to rising suicide rates? If people were healthier wouldn't they be happier and better adjusted to modern life? What do you mean the planet is greener with the ocean pollution choking off eco systems and deforestation bulldozing land based ecosystems away? Progress equals unprecendented pollution that is piled miles high and long in landfills the world over. Progress needs to cease and desist before the tipping point of our environment on a planet of finite resources reaches the point of no return, the well's run dry.
Silhouette wrote:Those who are master-minded, overlooking and controlling, look at existence from both positive and negative angles. They project their own inner-constitution outward, to the world, to objects, to other people. To the master, there is hope and faith, there is reason to doubt hope and faith, there is progress because the bigger picture is seen, there is evolution, no matter how futile things may seem upon sufficient analysis.
Gloominary wrote:Well that's a gross exaggeration and simplification of my position, but I do think there's a good chance we're going to go extinct, or at least plummet back into the dark ages, within the next century or two, if we don't clean up our act, which I doubt most of us will unfortunately, but still I'm putting it out there.
And the scientific community is in agreement with me, at least on this, I'm certainly not in agreement with them on everything.
Gloominary wrote:Well it wouldn't be the first time civilization collapsed, see the Mayans, see Rome, see the lesser known Greek dark ages AKA the bronze age collapse.
Zero_Sum wrote:Poor people deserve their poverty and fate, God commands it and capitalism is the closest thing to divinity in action or human organization. It is the natural expression of God's will and nature.
Poor people are poor because they've turn away from God and the legitimacy of authority.
If you reject capitalism you reject God and nature where you deserve to be an outcast of both.
In my opinion the best kind of capitalism is a neo liberal one that is moderate but also guided by a laser drone military style of defense. It is also multicultural and multiracial in general. We Jews I think predominantly support this kind of social political structure internationally. A kind of political structure that takes the best of liberal and conservative philosophy together. It is the structure of all of North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand,and the whole of the western world. It is obvious this kind of social political structure is superior and more workable than all others where it should be the future destiny of the entire planet. Capitalist neo liberal democracy is the future of the world and if we ever had a singular global government for the well being of all humanity it would be just that.
Someday in the future countries like Russia and China will come to know this......
They'll come around eventually in being onboard with the global program of success.
Zero_Sum wrote:Poor people deserve their poverty and fate, God commands it and capitalism is the closest thing to divinity in action or human organization. It is the natural expression of God's will and nature.
Poor people are poor because they've turn away from God and the legitimacy of authority.
If you reject capitalism you reject God and nature where you deserve to be an outcast of both.
In my opinion the best kind of capitalism is a neo liberal one that is moderate but also guided by a laser drone military style of defense. It is also multicultural and multiracial in general. We Jews I think predominantly support this kind of social political structure internationally. A kind of political structure that takes the best of liberal and conservative philosophy together. It is the structure of all of North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand,and the whole of the western world. It is obvious this kind of social political structure is superior and more workable than all others where it should be the future destiny of the entire planet. Capitalist neo liberal democracy is the future of the world and if we ever had a singular global government for the well being of all humanity it would be just that.
Someday in the future countries like Russia and China will come to know this......
They'll come around eventually in being onboard with the global program of success.
"scientific community is in agreement with me"
It must be bad science then. I prefer History. History shows that mankind, now, is the greatest it's ever been. Could you drive a car, in the year 1000 AD? Could you text somebody across the world on a cellphone in the year 500AD? Could you cure a huge variety of diseases, in the year 500BC? No, no you couldn't.
History is on my side. You can have "science".
Zero_Sum wrote:Poor people deserve their poverty and fate, God commands it and capitalism is the closest thing to divinity in action or human organization. It is the natural expression of God's will and nature.
Poor people are poor because they've turn away from God and the legitimacy of authority.
If you reject capitalism you reject God and nature where you deserve to be an outcast of both.
In my opinion the best kind of capitalism is a neo liberal one that is moderate but also guided by a laser drone military style of defense. It is also multicultural and multiracial in general. We Jews I think predominantly support this kind of social political structure internationally. A kind of political structure that takes the best of liberal and conservative philosophy together. It is the structure of all of North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand,and the whole of the western world. It is obvious this kind of social political structure is superior and more workable than all others where it should be the future destiny of the entire planet. Capitalist neo liberal democracy is the future of the world and if we ever had a singular global government for the well being of all humanity it would be just that.
Someday in the future countries like Russia and China will come to know this......
They'll come around eventually in being onboard with the global program of success.
Gloominary wrote:and lived more leisurely lives.
The thing about history is....old societies didn't really "collapse". They just changed their names, re-wrote the history books a little bit. Most of the people today are remnants of the same people 2000 years ago. There are still "Mayan" people, still Roman, still Greek. The thing is, the names change, slightly, and people think there was some kind of "mass extinction" X years ago. There wasn't. It's just propaganda.
Many of the same cultures/ideologies that dominated 2000 years ago, survived to this day. Why else are most Modern people Christian/Jewish ("secular humanists")?
Coincidence?
No.
There are no "mass extinction events". It's just fear-mongering.
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