## Quit Smoking.

The origins of the imperative, "know thyself", are lost in the sands of time, but the age-old examination of human consciousness continues here.

### Quit Smoking.

This might be the year that I quit smoking, not sure quite yet but it looks like I might try.

It's becoming a habit that is too expensive and overall horrible for my health. Being a chain smoker doesn't help either.

It is a habit of young men where I am no longer a young man anymore.

I am hoping that I notice feeling better right away given time without smoking.
"I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2736 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Quit Smoking. For the love of God please don't start in with one of those vaporizer things. You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square. Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too. What exactly is logic? -Magnus Anderson Support the innocence project on AmazonSmile instead of Turd's African savior biker dude. http://www.innocenceproject.org/ Mr Reasonable resident contrarian Posts: 25948 Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:54 am Location: pimping a hole straight through the stratosphere itself ### Re: Quit Smoking. Pandora Philosopher Posts: 4291 Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am Location: Ward 6 ### Re: Quit Smoking. My quit date was Sept. 22nd, 2016. I've not had a cigarette since then. I smoked two packs a day. The way I quit was to count the cigarettes I smoked and decrease the quantity by one cigarette per week. When I got down to 3 per day, I could quit. The acute nature of the craving lasts about fifteen to twenty minutes. Appease the craving with hard candy. When you quit, tobacco will be out of your system within 72hours. The craving may be intermittently intense for about 90 days. Part of giving up cigarettes is to find substitutes for the times and events with which you associate smoking--with coffee or alcohol, while driving, after sex etc., etc. Since not smoking will be felt to be a deprivation, reward each milestone of days, weeks months, with things you enjoy doing. Do not tell yourself theses lies-- 1.I'm too old to give this up. 2.Smoking makes me cope with bad situations and obnoxious people. 3.I deserve to smoke; it's one of my few pleasures in life. Good luck. I agree about the vapor substitutes. They still support the habit you desire to break. "We must love one another or die." W.H.Auden I admit I'm an asshole. Now, can we get back to the conversation? From the mad poet of McKinley Ave. Ierrellus ILP Legend Posts: 12723 Joined: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:52 pm Location: state of evolving ### Re: Quit Smoking. It's been forever since I last posted, but this post caught my eye. A few years ago, I was taking care of my Father-in-Law 24/7. He was easy to take care of for the most part but after a year I was burning out. I went to my family doctor and told her how depressed I was feeling so naturally, she put me on an anti-depressant. Wellbutrin (Bupropion) was what she prescribed. Anyway, about a week into treatment, I no longer wanted a cigarette...in fact, trying to smoke one while on the med made me HATE cigarettes! This made me MORE depressed because I really liked smoking cigarettes and was pissed off that I no longer enjoyed them! So I quit the Wellbutrin and went on smoking! I eventually quit smoking on my own when I started getting heart palpitations. The moral of the story is that if you need help quitting, ask your doctor for Wellbutrin (Bupropion) as it is covered under most insurance plans where as Chantix (prescription med exclusively for smoking cessation), is NOT covered by most insurance plans and has MANY side effects. Oh, and as far as the depression I was experiencing....a week at the beach cleared that up. Vitamin D from the sunshine did the trick! natasha Posts: 78 Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:34 pm ### Re: Quit Smoking. Correction--decrease smoking by deleting one cigarette per day. Pick a stop date and stick to it. I smoked for over 50 years. If I can quit, anyone can. You just have to handle the withdrawal symptoms. I still dream about smoking and still crave cigarettes. At 75 years old I don't really need them. "We must love one another or die." W.H.Auden I admit I'm an asshole. Now, can we get back to the conversation? From the mad poet of McKinley Ave. Ierrellus ILP Legend Posts: 12723 Joined: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:52 pm Location: state of evolving ### Re: Quit Smoking. Mr Reasonable wrote:For the love of God please don't start in with one of those vaporizer things. No, I don't like those and I am pretty sure they're worse for your health than regular cigarette smoking is. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2736 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Quit Smoking. Pandora wrote: Funny. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2736 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Quit Smoking. Ierrellus wrote:My quit date was Sept. 22nd, 2016. I've not had a cigarette since then. I smoked two packs a day. The way I quit was to count the cigarettes I smoked and decrease the quantity by one cigarette per week. When I got down to 3 per day, I could quit. The acute nature of the craving lasts about fifteen to twenty minutes. Appease the craving with hard candy. When you quit, tobacco will be out of your system within 72hours. The craving may be intermittently intense for about 90 days. Part of giving up cigarettes is to find substitutes for the times and events with which you associate smoking--with coffee or alcohol, while driving, after sex etc., etc. Since not smoking will be felt to be a deprivation, reward each milestone of days, weeks months, with things you enjoy doing. Do not tell yourself theses lies-- 1.I'm too old to give this up. 2.Smoking makes me cope with bad situations and obnoxious people. 3.I deserve to smoke; it's one of my few pleasures in life. Good luck. I agree about the vapor substitutes. They still support the habit you desire to break. Thanks for the advice and your comments. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$

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### Re: Quit Smoking.

Day 2 without smoking-

I became stressed out and agitated with a boss at work where I had everything I could do to restrain my anger or temper from dealing with his obnoxious condescending stupidity. There are times I just want to angrily lash out at people.

I relapsed at the end of my shift and began smoking again. I suppose that I smoke cigarettes as a way of dealing with stress, frustration, anger, depression, annoyance, and agitation. Lately I've been feeling trapped if not boxed in my day to day survival where this is making my quitting all that much harder. It's like I'm feeling claustrophobic amongst the rest of the world around me.

I sometimes wonder if I should become an alcoholic instead but with the way I chain smoke cigarettes probably not. Smoking cigarettes is all that I do really concerning drugs or artificial stimulants as I don't consume much alcohol or liquor at all. I only smoke cigarettes and that's it. I suppose that I rationalize by telling myself that since I only smoke and nothing else that it could be worse since there are others that consume much more than just cigarettes alone.

I still would like to quit smoking cigarettes but I don't think that I am ready to yet. I sometimes wonder what will happen if I quit smoking cigarettes what that would do to my stress levels. The more that I am stressed the more prone I am to angry outbursts.
"I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2736 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Quit Smoking. Yeah. We've heard this a thousand years ago. Keep trying at least never give up and you'll succeed? (Our object of desire isn't to change current belief systems or complicate already convoluted streams of information; we're not trying to even prove ourselves in anyway. We're just human beings similar to yourself. Not superior, the same. Ancestors of the lost world. The conflicts of beliefs you face in your world, are not only the conflict of self yet life, we cannot compel such conflicts to other's will for any self-benefit. The true goal reached here is there is nothing we can say nor do that can convince anyone else of what they don't know for themselves already. And, when the time calls, and you are ready, the barriers of awareness will expand and such confirmed information will be easily perceived, and known to them! Allow them to seek and find out when they are prepared. All will arrive to light in no time.) Ego sum via veritas et vita;Amesha Spenta;Vohu Mano; Allow all things measurable, microbial and astronomical to remain infinite, unchanged and arrive to light. Pneumatic-Coma Posts: 280 Joined: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:10 am Location: Purgatory ### Re: Quit Smoking. Support. Dedication. Inspiration! I got you family. (Our object of desire isn't to change current belief systems or complicate already convoluted streams of information; we're not trying to even prove ourselves in anyway. We're just human beings similar to yourself. Not superior, the same. Ancestors of the lost world. The conflicts of beliefs you face in your world, are not only the conflict of self yet life, we cannot compel such conflicts to other's will for any self-benefit. The true goal reached here is there is nothing we can say nor do that can convince anyone else of what they don't know for themselves already. And, when the time calls, and you are ready, the barriers of awareness will expand and such confirmed information will be easily perceived, and known to them! Allow them to seek and find out when they are prepared. All will arrive to light in no time.) Ego sum via veritas et vita;Amesha Spenta;Vohu Mano; Allow all things measurable, microbial and astronomical to remain infinite, unchanged and arrive to light. Pneumatic-Coma Posts: 280 Joined: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:10 am Location: Purgatory ### Re: Quit Smoking. Pandora wrote: We're talking nicotine here Pandora Not Caffeine (Our object of desire isn't to change current belief systems or complicate already convoluted streams of information; we're not trying to even prove ourselves in anyway. We're just human beings similar to yourself. Not superior, the same. Ancestors of the lost world. The conflicts of beliefs you face in your world, are not only the conflict of self yet life, we cannot compel such conflicts to other's will for any self-benefit. The true goal reached here is there is nothing we can say nor do that can convince anyone else of what they don't know for themselves already. And, when the time calls, and you are ready, the barriers of awareness will expand and such confirmed information will be easily perceived, and known to them! Allow them to seek and find out when they are prepared. All will arrive to light in no time.) Ego sum via veritas et vita;Amesha Spenta;Vohu Mano; Allow all things measurable, microbial and astronomical to remain infinite, unchanged and arrive to light. Pneumatic-Coma Posts: 280 Joined: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:10 am Location: Purgatory ### Re: Quit Smoking. Although. I'm curious now, what is your method of substitution? (Our object of desire isn't to change current belief systems or complicate already convoluted streams of information; we're not trying to even prove ourselves in anyway. We're just human beings similar to yourself. Not superior, the same. Ancestors of the lost world. The conflicts of beliefs you face in your world, are not only the conflict of self yet life, we cannot compel such conflicts to other's will for any self-benefit. The true goal reached here is there is nothing we can say nor do that can convince anyone else of what they don't know for themselves already. And, when the time calls, and you are ready, the barriers of awareness will expand and such confirmed information will be easily perceived, and known to them! Allow them to seek and find out when they are prepared. All will arrive to light in no time.) Ego sum via veritas et vita;Amesha Spenta;Vohu Mano; Allow all things measurable, microbial and astronomical to remain infinite, unchanged and arrive to light. Pneumatic-Coma Posts: 280 Joined: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:10 am Location: Purgatory ### Re: Quit Smoking. Quitting smoking can feel like losing a dear friend. That's why quitting cold turkey most often does not work. You have to find substitutes for smoking that will attend to the sense of loss. You have to find ways to treat yourself to lessen the pain of loss. In some cases hypnotism and psychotherapy can help. If you are into doing it all on your own, you must break all the associations with things that made smoking seem pleasing. It's a battle with your mind, which you can win! "We must love one another or die." W.H.Auden I admit I'm an asshole. Now, can we get back to the conversation? From the mad poet of McKinley Ave. Ierrellus ILP Legend Posts: 12723 Joined: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:52 pm Location: state of evolving ### Re: Quit Smoking. There. You're cured. (Our object of desire isn't to change current belief systems or complicate already convoluted streams of information; we're not trying to even prove ourselves in anyway. We're just human beings similar to yourself. Not superior, the same. Ancestors of the lost world. The conflicts of beliefs you face in your world, are not only the conflict of self yet life, we cannot compel such conflicts to other's will for any self-benefit. The true goal reached here is there is nothing we can say nor do that can convince anyone else of what they don't know for themselves already. And, when the time calls, and you are ready, the barriers of awareness will expand and such confirmed information will be easily perceived, and known to them! Allow them to seek and find out when they are prepared. All will arrive to light in no time.) Ego sum via veritas et vita;Amesha Spenta;Vohu Mano; Allow all things measurable, microbial and astronomical to remain infinite, unchanged and arrive to light. Pneumatic-Coma Posts: 280 Joined: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:10 am Location: Purgatory ### Re: Quit Smoking. Loosing my beloved mother to lung cancer was one of the most painful experiences. This was before hospices, and the medical treatment consisted of very objectionable methods, based on protocol that could not be challenged. Ahe waa a 2 say packer, back when cigs cost 25 cents. Her suffering was profound and her tolerance astonishing. Since ahe was absolutely morally taint less, of there is a heaven , she knows the mistake of contributing the enormous profits of the products of slave labor, by consuming an obsessive product. Meno_ ILP Legend Posts: 5580 Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:39 am Location: Mysterium Tremendum ### Re: Quit Smoking. Thank you for sharing Meno, I cannot even imagine the pain of losing a mother. May her beloved soul rest in peace. This brings back memories of my grandfather whom passed away after lung cancer as well. I forever thought of him as a mountain of wisdom when I was young. Very good reasons to quit smoking, and advice. Good luck Zero_Sum. esperanza1 Posts: 29 Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:44 pm ### Re: Quit Smoking. Thanks esperanza, Meno_ ILP Legend Posts: 5580 Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:39 am Location: Mysterium Tremendum ### Re: Quit Smoking. Pneumatic-Coma wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v There. You're cured. The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What? --MagsJ MagsJ The Londonist Posts: 18877 Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:59 pm Location: London, NC1 ### Re: Quit Smoking. Zero_Sum wrote:Day 2 without smoking- I became stressed out and agitated with a boss at work where I had everything I could do to restrain my anger or temper from dealing with his obnoxious condescending stupidity. There are times I just want to angrily lash out at people. I relapsed at the end of my shift and began smoking again. I suppose that I smoke cigarettes as a way of dealing with stress, frustration, anger, depression, annoyance, and agitation. Lately I've been feeling trapped if not boxed in my day to day survival where this is making my quitting all that much harder. It's like I'm feeling claustrophobic amongst the rest of the world around me. I sometimes wonder if I should become an alcoholic instead but with the way I chain smoke cigarettes probably not. Smoking cigarettes is all that I do really concerning drugs or artificial stimulants as I don't consume much alcohol or liquor at all. I only smoke cigarettes and that's it. I suppose that I rationalize by telling myself that since I only smoke and nothing else that it could be worse since there are others that consume much more than just cigarettes alone. I still would like to quit smoking cigarettes but I don't think that I am ready to yet. I sometimes wonder what will happen if I quit smoking cigarettes what that would do to my stress levels. The more that I am stressed the more prone I am to angry outbursts. People I know were pissed off for quite a long time. Smoking regulates emotions as does any habit. So it would be good to be very generous with yourself and maybe do any kind of explosive type activity you like: chopping word, judo, sprinting, football, screaming in the basement. Spend extra on food you like. Not necessarily treats, but instead of mediocre meals, spend the saved cig money on higher quality meals, eat take out instead of making your own meals. Do stuff you like in general and cut yourself slack. AFter at least a month it eases off. People will mention lung cancer, but you sure as shit do not want chronic lung obstruction or emphysema. My mother had that. Never quite getting enough air for over a decade. Waking up without enough air. It help to engage friends, like you did here. This book is a good one dealing with habits in general....https://www.amazon.com/Changeology-Step ... 3b1a6c1c53 And research shows that willpower is not the main thing. There are lots of indirect things to do that really make it easier. Karpel Tunnel Philosopher Posts: 2494 Joined: Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:26 pm ### Re: Quit Smoking. So did we give up Zero_sum or what happen? If anything comes across that HAS helped. Please inform us. I know one too many smokers myself. And really in all seriousness need help in this environment myself. (Our object of desire isn't to change current belief systems or complicate already convoluted streams of information; we're not trying to even prove ourselves in anyway. We're just human beings similar to yourself. Not superior, the same. Ancestors of the lost world. The conflicts of beliefs you face in your world, are not only the conflict of self yet life, we cannot compel such conflicts to other's will for any self-benefit. The true goal reached here is there is nothing we can say nor do that can convince anyone else of what they don't know for themselves already. And, when the time calls, and you are ready, the barriers of awareness will expand and such confirmed information will be easily perceived, and known to them! Allow them to seek and find out when they are prepared. All will arrive to light in no time.) Ego sum via veritas et vita;Amesha Spenta;Vohu Mano; Allow all things measurable, microbial and astronomical to remain infinite, unchanged and arrive to light. Pneumatic-Coma Posts: 280 Joined: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:10 am Location: Purgatory ### Re: Quit Smoking. Pneumatic-Coma wrote:So did we give up Zero_sum or what happen? If anything comes across that HAS helped. Please inform us. I know one too many smokers myself. And really in all seriousness need help in this environment myself. Still smoking. (I am smoking right now typing this.) Someday I will quit....someday....... "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2736 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Quit Smoking. Just make it a goal to smoke less. Pandora Philosopher Posts: 4291 Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am Location: Ward 6 ### Re: Quit Smoking. Pandora wrote:Just make it a goal to smoke less. That's the plan anyways and in some ways I am doing just that. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$

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