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What is your opium?

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:24 am

What expands your mind? And how, why and where.

if music what kind?
I am listening to this, which inspires me to this thread.
https://audiomack.com/song/parodites/op6phansymph4

Ive never heard anything quite like it in levity.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:37 pm

What style of classical music is that? It sounds sort of like Scriabian. It's complex but emotionally dry -- what I refer to as "autistic".

This is my "dope". It's masculine, like what you posted, but it is rhythmic and a bit more melodic.



I am generally unattracted to music that does not have a decent rhythm.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby surreptitious75 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:36 pm


What expands my mind is not music but knowledge
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby MagsJ » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:51 am

Silence.. and from it pours forth my thoughts and musings... anything more is bound in hedonism.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:39 am

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Re: What is your opium?

Postby surreptitious75 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:35 am

Mags wrote:
Silence ... and from it pours forth my thoughts and musings ... anything more is bound in hedonism

Nowadays I prefer the silence of a calm mind that just lets thoughts come and go of their own volition
Too much noise can drown them out so I keep it low so that I can hear more clearly what is being said
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:28 am

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Re: What is your opium?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:29 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
Mags wrote:
Silence ... and from it pours forth my thoughts and musings ... anything more is bound in hedonism

Nowadays I prefer the silence of a calm mind that just lets thoughts come and go of their own volition
Too much noise can drown them out so I keep it low so that I can hear more clearly what is being said

White noise/city background noise.. a modern woe.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:33 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
What expands my mind is not music but knowledge

..a constant.. or should be.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:31 pm

Power and Freedom are like two axes.
One can be very powerful but not free. Like GW Bush was.
Or very powerful and relatively free. More like Xi or Trump.
It depends on a third metric; knowledge.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Gloominary » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:13 pm

@Magnus Anderson

How is what FC originally posted masculine? :-k

Sounds like a woman running around naked in her apartment, having a manic episode.

It's disorganized, frenzied and ecstatic.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Mad Man P » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:46 pm

This...
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Gloominary » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:26 am

Mad Man P wrote:This...

You have excellent taste in music.
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Re: What is your opium?

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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Gloominary » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:21 am

And this:



This is some of the weirdest shit I've ever heard in my life.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Silhouette » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:28 am

Utter ego resignation:

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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Gloominary » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:28 pm

Silhouette wrote:Utter ego resignation:


This sounds something like what it must feel like to face ones physical or psychic execution.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Jakob » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:20 pm

Gloominary wrote:@Magnus Anderson

How is what FC originally posted masculine? :-k

Sounds like a woman running around naked in her apartment, having a manic episode.

It's disorganized, frenzied and ecstatic.

It is actually very much organized. It is all written, note for note, in rigid schemata.

A bit ahead of its time.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Pneumatic-Coma » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:45 pm

I feel this post could have done in viewtopic.php?f=24&t=187071 <--- here, right here.

Anyways. I had thought it really be life. Yet nobody can sustain and procure life. So I returned to ART, have it be known Pneumatic-Coma is an artist. So but my art hadn't transformed humanity to think, learn, listen, observe, question and actually live this life for it's intended purposes. So then I thought, hm, Love? Although I hadn't really clarified the definition of love. I guess if I were to quickly sum it up. Love would be something that had been offered and given just the same. Something of such beauty you'd need not another source of happiness. Needless to say this interpretation distorted my mind when I came to see that it is really our own intentions which drive us to 'think' in ourselves that we love something out of this our Life. Yet that really wasn't it either. I leaned onto philosophy even more in hopes it expressed such a critical way of understanding, just a few simple human emotions and this our entire planet altogether. Although come to think of it the only thing I'd use to bring me back to ground level will always be music. "Music is a moral law. It gives soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, and charm and gaiety to life and to everything." I ultimately believe this. And for reasons unknown I seem to always bring myself back to where it all began and that's learning. Philosophy was that rough patch of learning to think for myself. All in all it would be the gift of being able to comprehend complex and simple bits of information. For me Music was always that rush of inspiration that drove my soul to be compelled to such emotion. Even more so through the whole entirety of lyricism and poetry through-out all varieties of song. It really was sound I was enthused with my whole life. Listening and having the ability to commune with only the best of minds on a rhythmical level. We must all vibe in order to get along if not vibe. Than in scribe. Both are Art and that just warms my heart. :mrgreen:
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu May 17, 2018 4:03 pm

Pneumatic-Coma wrote:I feel this post could have done in http://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=187071 <--- here, right here.

Anyways. I had thought it really be life. Yet nobody can sustain and procure life. So I returned to ART, have it be known Pneumatic-Coma is an artist. So but my art hadn't transformed humanity to think, learn, listen, observe, question and actually live this life for it's intended purposes. So then I thought, hm, Love? Although I hadn't really clarified the definition of love. I guess if I were to quickly sum it up. Love would be something that had been offered and given just the same. Something of such beauty you'd need not another source of happiness. Needless to say this interpretation distorted my mind when I came to see that it is really our own intentions which drive us to 'think' in ourselves that we love something out of this our Life. Yet that really wasn't it either. I leaned onto philosophy even more in hopes it expressed such a critical way of understanding, just a few simple human emotions and this our entire planet altogether. Although come to think of it the only thing I'd use to bring me back to ground level will always be music. "Music is a moral law. It gives soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, and charm and gaiety to life and to everything." I ultimately believe this. And for reasons unknown I seem to always bring myself back to where it all began and that's learning. Philosophy was that rough patch of learning to think for myself. All in all it would be the gift of being able to comprehend complex and simple bits of information. For me Music was always that rush of inspiration that drove my soul to be compelled to such emotion. Even more so through the whole entirety of lyricism and poetry through-out all varieties of song. It really was sound I was enthused with my whole life. Listening and having the ability to commune with only the best of minds on a rhythmical level. We must all vibe in order to get along if not vibe. Than in scribe. Both are Art and that just warms my heart. :mrgreen:

Love is great in part because it is risky. If truly in love, we risk our structural integrity. A broken heart causes a completely transformed being, if not the perishing of one.
What doesn't kill makes deeper. Not necessarily stronger.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Pneumatic-Coma » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:12 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
Pneumatic-Coma wrote:I feel this post could have done in viewtopic.php?f=24&t=187071 <--- here, right here.

Anyways. I had thought it really be life. Yet nobody can sustain and procure life. So I returned to ART, have it be known Pneumatic-Coma is an artist. So but my art hadn't transformed humanity to think, learn, listen, observe, question and actually live this life for it's intended purposes. So then I thought, hm, Love? Although I hadn't really clarified the definition of love. I guess if I were to quickly sum it up. Love would be something that had been offered and given just the same. Something of such beauty you'd need not another source of happiness. Needless to say this interpretation distorted my mind when I came to see that it is really our own intentions which drive us to 'think' in ourselves that we love something out of this our Life. Yet that really wasn't it either. I leaned onto philosophy even more in hopes it expressed such a critical way of understanding, just a few simple human emotions and this our entire planet altogether. Although come to think of it the only thing I'd use to bring me back to ground level will always be music. "Music is a moral law. It gives soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, and charm and gaiety to life and to everything." I ultimately believe this. And for reasons unknown I seem to always bring myself back to where it all began and that's learning. Philosophy was that rough patch of learning to think for myself. All in all it would be the gift of being able to comprehend complex and simple bits of information. For me Music was always that rush of inspiration that drove my soul to be compelled to such emotion. Even more so through the whole entirety of lyricism and poetry through-out all varieties of song. It really was sound I was enthused with my whole life. Listening and having the ability to commune with only the best of minds on a rhythmical level. We must all vibe in order to get along if not vibe. Than in scribe. Both are Art and that just warms my heart. :mrgreen:

Love is great in part because it is risky. If truly in love, we risk our structural integrity. A broken heart causes a completely transformed being, if not the perishing of one.
What doesn't kill makes deeper. Not necessarily stronger.


Okay-Dokie. Than I remain vigilantly unmoved in my last post, yet reverting to re-state that this topic deserves to be posted in the Philosophy forum. At least...My bad.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:02 pm

"Music is a moral law. It gives soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, and charm and gaiety to life and to everything." I ultimately believe this."

So do I.
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:05 pm

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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:05 am

Gloominary wrote:@Magnus Anderson

How is what FC originally posted masculine? :-k

Sounds like a woman running around naked in her apartment, having a manic episode.

It's disorganized, frenzied and ecstatic.


Masculine motion is typically characterized by sharp, crisp, discrete movements. Crisply defined movements means change and whatever changes frequently tends towards noise/chaos.
Feminine motion, on the other hand, is typically characterized by smooth, vague, continuous movements. Fuzzy movements means little to no change and whatever does not change tends towards silence/order.

So yeah, men are attracted to complex, harsh, loud, mathematical, energetic music whereas women are attracted to simple, mellow, dreamy, emotional, relaxed music.
That's the same reason/intuition or systemizer/empathizer distinction.

MASCULINE

Alexander Scriabin - Etude opus 65 no. 3 [20th century classical]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... Pvfq5H8PgQ

Hiromi's Sonicbloom - Time Out [jazz]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXsuPkyFQuQ

Aphex Twin - Meltphace 6 [intelligent dance music]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwMjpEXwz1c

Blind Guardian - Nightfall [metal]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyToHOWSV8

FEMININE

Enya - Caribbean Blue [new age]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl8iYAo90pE

Franz Schubert - Serenade [romantic-classical]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpA0l2WB86E

George Benson - Breezin [smooth jazz]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVc5rCl0BIs

Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb [rock]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FrOQC-zEog

Notice how fuzzy Enya's music is? Everything flows into everything else -- there are no clear boundaries. Very dreamy.

And I didn't make this up:
http://theconversation.com/what-your-mu ... lity-50492
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/mus ... -you-think
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Re: What is your opium?

Postby Silhouette » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:50 am

Staccato and legato might be the words to sum up your "masculine" and "feminine" archetypes respectively.

What then of the piece I posted? Legato, dreamy and emotional for sure, but loud, aggressive and overpowering in equal measure. Is it masculine or feminine? Both? In between? Neither? It is a gigantic sound, old and weary but effortlessly dominating from all sides with its rawness.

I would characterise Enya's song most of all as light, maybe even playful, perhaps more childlike than feminine or masculine - Nightfall's song has a lot of femininity to it, a lot of music of that type even has a "beauty and beast" dynamic where both feminine and masculine play off one another in the music as well as the vocals. Comfortably numb is a mindset that affects anyone on certain drugs or with certain kinds of fevers regardless of sex, or at least the Roger Waters verses are. Is being high or ill feminine?

There's a musical term known as "brightness" that might be of interest to you - in the context of degrees of frequency dissonance. The closer two frequencies are together, the less bright they are, and the difference of just one semi-tone in the 3rd of a scale is the difference between the major "happiness" and the minor "sadness". Scriabin and others employ a great deal of dissonance and discontinuity in their phrasing and pitch transitions. Schubert's Serenade has some of all of this but much less, making it smoother and more continuous. Are females brighter and males darker?

Perhaps you might want to work these observations into your model, but personally I find it a bit forced.
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