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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:22 am

Turd Ferguson wrote:
Btw, have you done a serious study of the Quran? You don't appear to be from what I have read from what you posted so far.
I would strongly suggest you do a serious study of Islam and the Quran if you have not done so. [forget about the Ahadith and Sira in the meantime].


Yes, more than likely I'm almost certainly better read than you, and was deployed to Iraq for over a year with the US Army, and have read several Islamic philosophers, I strongly promote reading Ibn Khaldun (a excellent historian) and have a few posts on the subject, and am well read in ancient and medieval christianity, both Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox sources, as well as considerable readings into the influence of Gnostic, Hindi, Bon, Advaitian (Non-dualism school), Stoic & Cynic, Aristotelian influences on the religion. I'm currently studying a Ismaili encyclopedia on philosophy. I can also give a fair account of several islamic dynasties, tactics and strategems they used, the early development of social anthropology within islam, Islamic interactions with the Russian States then the Tsars, with Byzantium including several authors associated with the fall, military texts the Byzantines and Franks developed for fighting the muslims back in Capadocia and Egypt, a general grasp of the history of Islamic Spain and Sicily, the pirates in the med from the 12th century to Thomas Jefferson's invasion of the Barbary Statesc Islam's early history in the Slave South, the christian diaspora after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, Armenia and Georgia's history with islamic raids and occupations, and a whole lot more, including current events across the muslim world.

I suggest you reconsider insisting other people you know very little about are unread or ignorant on the subject matter they speak of.

And yes, I'm quite christian, and yes, your exaggerating and largely full of shit.

Muslims aren't idiots, they are a very modern people. When you treat them intellectually as you do, they become resentful, because they generally are a hell of alot smarter than narrow minded stereotypes suppose. Their religion has some issues, but most are aware of this. I've had some good muslim friends over the years, and they know I won't sugarcoat Islam to remain on good terms.... but I don't demonize them either past where the problems lie, and I try to offer up earnest and honest assessments.

If Islam fixed it's Jurispudence issues, it would be a much more balanced religion. That's the plain and simple truth. Has nothing to do with arbitrarily saying Ethos.... I'm a Stoic philosopher who specializes in Ethics, it is you who appears to be wildly throwing around terms you don't understand.

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Careful who you try to pull your learned Mr. Know-it-all scholar stunt on. I'm also a expert in military writings from around the world. Brutally well read.
Note I am referring to the Quran ONLY and not any knowledge beside the Quran [which is the core representation of Islam].

Therefore any reference to other than the Quran as representative of Islam is irrelevant to the point in this case. If you read again, I DID NOT doubt your other knowledge at all since they are not the issue on hand.

I appreciate your wide range of knowledge. Personally I do read VERY widely but no point for me to mention the details since it is not the topic.

But to discuss such critical elements on Islam we must be VERY familiar with the Quran itself [the mainstay of Islam]. I even resort to learning Arabic [basic] to get a better grasp of the Quran. Secondary knowledge about Islam is not effective. Btw, this is the typical counter from Muslims who always insist critics of Islam must read the Quran in Arabic.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:44 am

Ecmandu wrote:Well... Then there's this !!!

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightat ... n-muslims/
Good point.

This is where the world leaders are spewing 'lies' based on ignorance and when brainwashed by Muslim advisers relying to Tagiya. They are doing a disservice to humanity by spreading such 'lies' and being politically correct.

This sort of ignorance by the world leaders and many community leaders represent their indirect complicity to the evils and violence committed by SOME evil prone Muslims.

This is why I am suggesting non-Muslims must read the Quran directly [& effectively] to understand it thoroughly
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:58 am

Amorphos wrote:Its is not Islam which drives terrorism, but paedophilia [and other mental health issues]. People who do shit like that read that the prophet Mohammed married a 9 yr old girl, and they read into this a way to excuse themselves. However, people cannot lie to themselves, doing shit like that to human beings [Gods children] is going to have an impact upon the subconscious, one which manifests a pressure which needs a valve. Then that comes in the form of a scapegoat, something and someone else they can blame the evil in the world on, so that they don't have to blame themselves.

People don't do insane things like drive trucks into pedestrians, without having serious mental health issues!

We can't get rid of Islam nor should we, as religion isn't the crux of the issue, mental health is. That's what generates what I call 'religionism' [one being excessively religions]; people who don't have mental health issues and don't fuck children or do any shit like that in real terms, don't feel the [extreme] need to kill themselves and become martyrs, they just get on with life.
If you do a proper root cause analysis you will definitely find Islam [in part, not wholly] is a critical contributing factor to the evils and violence committed by SOME [not all] evil prone Muslims [including those with mental issues].

Islam is a religion [one exception] that has evil laden elements within its holy texts [the Quran] that influence and inspire SOME Muslims who are born with an active evil tendencies to commit terrible evil and violence.

It is very natural at present there are a percentile of humans who are mental and those who are born with an active evil impulse. For most of these evil prone people they are triggered by external evil elements to commit evils and violence.
The Quran [core representation of Islam] contains loads of evil laden elements that catalyze SOME evil prone Muslims to commit terrible evils in the name of their religion.

Note the contrast, there are no leading evil laden elements in the texts of Buddhism. Therefore even when there are naturally evil prone Buddhists, there are no evil laden elements in the Buddhist texts to influence these evil prone Buddhists to commit evils and violence. If these evil prone Buddhist commit evil as in Myanmar, it has nothing to do with Buddhism per-se.

Thus one can infer from the above analysis, Islam [in part, not whole] drives Islamic inspired terrorism, evils and violence around the world.

In the case of Islamic-inspired-violence, the SOME evil prone Muslims are not primarily at fault since the majority are unfortunately born with an inherent active tendency to commit evil.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:26 am

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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:40 am

I wonder if when the Crusades were happening if there were like people on websites talking about, "hey it's that damned christianity that's causing all this genocide! it's the bible telling them to do it!"
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:42 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:I wonder if when the Crusades were happening if there were like people on websites talking about, "hey it's that damned christianity that's causing all this genocide! it's the bible telling them to do it!"
Note the NT abrogated the OT for Christians. Where in the New Testaments did Jesus exhort Christians to fight non-believers?

It is the Crusaders as human beings who were fighting in the crusades but not as Christians within Christianity the ideology of Jesus.

I am quite sure the Crusaders would have been rebuked by God on their Judgment Day,

    God to the Crusaders: WTF, Jesus exhorted you to love your enemies, who gave you permission to fight your enemies! Now sit in that hot corner of Hell till you hear of my reprieve.

Btw, there are loads of thousands of evil laden verses in various degrees [without specific restraints] in the Quran that combined together to influence and inspire SOME [not all] evil prone Muslims to commit terrible evils and violence.

Why the deflection to the Crusades that was not directly inspired by Christianity [verses in the NT] and it is 500+ years ago from the current critical evils and violence from Islam [in part]?
I am aware Christianity [and other religions] has its negative baggage that hinder humanity's progress but we should compare this with the very serious threat to humanity from the terrible evils and violence from Islam [in part].

Given the doctrine of Islam where Muslims love death more than life on Earth and are heavily rewarded for martyrdom in the cause of Allah, there is a potential threat they could exterminate the human species when they get access to cheap WMDs with their oil money or financial support from rich rogue Muslim nations.

Even without the above serious threats evil prone Muslims [SOME] are already doing much terror and damage to humanity at the present. It is pointless to make comparison on this with the crusades that happened 500++ years ago.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Amorphos » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:53 pm

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It is very natural at present there are a percentile of humans who are mental and those who are born with an active evil impulse.

For most of these evil prone people they are triggered by external evil elements to commit evils and violence.


No one is born like anything, we would be feral if we were brought up in the wild, and act like animals. Words cannot be evil, you have to enact them to make them evil, and as soon as you enact an idea, it is your interpretation – you doing it. In other words, it is peoples interpretations which are misreading it, or otherwise enacting it in some way, as well as people like you misreading it by reading that into it.

You can take any person and give them someone else's causality, and they would be that person doing those things. There is 100% no information outside of the system which makes you better than another or vice-versa. Everything is taught, not arrived at by magic. You need to learn how to think things through properly.

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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:57 am

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It is very natural at present there are a percentile of humans who are mental and those who are born with an active evil impulse.

For most of these evil prone people they are triggered by external evil elements to commit evils and violence.


No one is born like anything, we would be feral if we were brought up in the wild, and act like animals. Words cannot be evil, you have to enact them to make them evil, and as soon as you enact an idea, it is your interpretation – you doing it. In other words, it is peoples interpretations which are misreading it, or otherwise enacting it in some way, as well as people like you misreading it by reading that into it.

You can take any person and give them someone else's causality, and they would be that person doing those things. There is 100% no information outside of the system which makes you better than another or vice-versa. Everything is taught, not arrived at by magic. You need to learn how to think things through properly.

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Are you saying I have not thought things through properly?
It is not easy to present such in a forum but here is how I often thought it through properly.

Because evil is a very loose term, first we have define and agree on what is meant by 'evil'.

What is evil?
What is not good is by default evil. Evil is any thing that is net-negative and net-harmful to the individual and therefrom to the well being of humanity.
The concept of evil can be very subjective and to ensure a high degree of objectivity we need to establish the following;
1. Obtain a full or thorough listings of what acts are generally termed directly or synonymously as 'evil.'
2. Obtain consensus on what is obviously recognized as evil.
3. Put aside contentious elements for further deliberations.

I don't thing it is difficult for us to agree on a list representing what is obviously 'evil'.
1. Do you or in general most people will agree mass genocides, mass rapes, serial killing, premedited murder, tortures, torture then murder are 'evil'.
2. Do you agree deliberately lying is evil albeit of low degree in comparison to those in 1.

If we do a serious exercise of a taxonomy of the elements of evils, I am sure you and I [and most people] can agree on a listing on what is obviously recognized as evil whilst putting aside whatever is contentious. This common consensus of what is evil as supporting with a list of evil elements is our objective grounds [not absolute but open for contentious views any time].

Do you agree with the above definition of evil and establish objective grounds for further discussions?

No one is born like anything,
This view of yours is not effective to the issue.

The effective approach is to start from empirical evidence of the acts of what are regarded as evil as established in the exercise above.
It is a fact there are committed acts of genocides, mass rapes, mass murder, premeditated murders, tortures of others, and all sorts of acts that are recognized as evil. Such evils will continue to be committed in the future till humanity does some thing to prevent them.

It is from these facts of evils based on empirical evidence and conceptual deliberations that we seek the root causes of these acts.

It is well recognized in research the basic root causes of evil of any human acts are traceable to two main root causes, i.e.

1. Nature or
2. Nurture

The evils can be
1. purely nature or combined with nurture
2. purely nurture and

If humans are brought up in the wild, I don't believe all humans brought up in such a way would be totally feral because all humans has evolved to date with our human_ness nature within our DNA. Thus a percentage may turned feral but not ALL humans will turn feral.

My point is all humans has the potential [note] to turn feral because we evolved with a feral [beastly] base but as humans we have sufficient strong neural circuits that inhibit [evolved over 6 million years] such beastly potential. It is different with pigs which were domesticated not too long ago in comparison.

But as I had proposed, it is likely 20% [conservatively] will have weaker inhibitors to suppress the beastly impulses within and thus they have an active [activated not dormant] beastly or evil potential. These are the ones who will kill easily and commit other types of evils.

Why do I say 20% conservatively?
Such an approximation can be inferred from real evidence from patterns of human acts and elements.
Note the Principles of the Bell or Normal Curve which indicate 'roughly' human elements and variable are generally distributed in sets of percentiles.
Take for example human heights, 20% of all human will likely to be under [say] 4 feet 6 inches and 20% be over 6 feet and the rest having an average of say 5 feet 6 inches. I am guessing the figures but if we are to do actual measurements of all humans [or a large sample] we can establish the various heights within the various percentile sets.

My present guess is 20% [conservatively] has an active evil tendencies to commit various degrees of evil. To guess that 20% of people will lie, cheat, bribe, etc. to some degrees is very likely.

Words cannot be evil, you have to enact them to make them evil, and as soon as you enact an idea, it is your interpretation – you doing it. In other words, it is peoples interpretations which are misreading it, or otherwise enacting it in some way, as well as people like you misreading it by reading that into it.
It is obvious words themselves do not commit evil.
However, words in a context of 'evil' [as defined above] can trigger the evil prone humans to commit evil.
This is so obvious with ideologies that has evil laden elements that brainwash its followers to commit terrible evils [as defined] and violence.

What you have assumed is some one reading any texts and interpreting it, enact on it and its results are evil. I believe you are not thinking through this point properly.

What we have in reality are the following;

1. People with active good tendencies
2. People with active evil tendencies
3. Texts [ideas] with good laden elements
4. Texts [ideas] with evil elements.

A. The majority of good people with tendencies to do good when exposed to texts [ideas] with good element will do good and they will not enact and ignore texts with evil elements. case]. However a small percentage of good people on the fringe may be influenced to commit evil when they are exposed to evil elements in various texts, especially religious texts with evil elements as in the Quran.

B. The majority of evil people with active tendencies to commit evil, when exposed to texts [ideas] with evil elements, will feast on them and commit evils. These evil prone people may or may not enact good elements when reading them.

C. It is also possible for evil prone people to read texts with good elements but misinterpret them with evil lenses and thus commit evil based on a misinterpretations.

From what you have assumed, what you have missed out the prior existence of people who are born with active evil tendencies.
These unfortunate people who are born with an active evil tendencies are like those who are born color-blind. It is due to the wrong connections in the brain during fetus developments and other reasons. The way they are nurture in their life could make their evil tendencies worst or lesser. For the hardcore, i.e. those with really bad connections in the brain, no amount of exposure to good environment, preventive or corrective measures can curb their evil tendencies. There are loads of empirical evidences for such cases.

Note one example;
Are mass murderers born with their brains already predisposed to kill? Researchers have been trying to answer that exact question over the course of multiple decades. In order to try to determine if mass murderers have similar brain structure, scientists have been conducting brain scans of these killers. These scans have found that the brains of mass murderers have similar properties. The study also found that 50 percent of the differences in these killing brains are genetic.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3052145/brain- ... 1csCmbx.99


The above is just a clue but if one were to read more extensively on the subject, there's possible truth to the hypothesis.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby The Golden Turd » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:50 am

Are you saying I have not thought things through properly?


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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby MagsJ » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:14 pm

I could answer that several ways Turd lol, but I'll go with saying that it doesn't mean that you can't reply back in this thread.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Arminius » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:00 am

Prismatic567 wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:I wonder if when the Crusades were happening if there were like people on websites talking about, "hey it's that damned christianity that's causing all this genocide! it's the bible telling them to do it!"
Note the NT abrogated the OT for Christians. Where in the New Testaments did Jesus exhort Christians to fight non-believers?

It is the Crusaders as human beings who were fighting in the crusades but not as Christians within Christianity the ideology of Jesus.

I am quite sure the Crusaders would have been rebuked by God on their Judgment Day,

    God to the Crusaders: WTF, Jesus exhorted you to love your enemies, who gave you permission to fight your enemies! Now sit in that hot corner of Hell till you hear of my reprieve.

Btw, there are loads of thousands of evil laden verses in various degrees [without specific restraints] in the Quran that combined together to influence and inspire SOME [not all] evil prone Muslims to commit terrible evils and violence.

Why the deflection to the Crusades that was not directly inspired by Christianity [verses in the NT] and it is 500+ years ago from the current critical evils and violence from Islam [in part]?
I am aware Christianity [and other religions] has its negative baggage that hinder humanity's progress but we should compare this with the very serious threat to humanity from the terrible evils and violence from Islam [in part].

Given the doctrine of Islam where Muslims love death more than life on Earth and are heavily rewarded for martyrdom in the cause of Allah, there is a potential threat they could exterminate the human species when they get access to cheap WMDs with their oil money or financial support from rich rogue Muslim nations.

Even without the above serious threats evil prone Muslims [SOME] are already doing much terror and damage to humanity at the present. It is pointless to make comparison on this with the crusades that happened 500++ years ago.

More precisely please: The crusades happened between 1096 and 1270.

Note: Jerusalem, which the Christians wanted to reconquer, had been occupying by the Moslems since they conquered huge Christian territories (including the region with Jerusalem - of course) by terrible wars, violence, and other evils.

Say what you want, but Islam is a hate-and-war-religion, whereas Christianity is a love-and-peace-religion.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:48 am

Arminius wrote:Say what you want, but Islam is a hate-and-war-religion,

So is Judaism. You aren't supposed to bash them either (even more so in the USA).

Arminius wrote: whereas Christianity is a love-and-peace-religion.

That is the distinction.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Amorphos » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:56 am

From what you have assumed, what you have missed out the prior existence of people who are born with active evil tendencies.


That's because there is mathematically zero information outside of the system [i.e. telling us anything, or from a former life]. It is the world [and yes Gods creation] which makes us do 'evil' things, you take ordinary family men in e.g. the Balkans war, and within a very short time, they become family killers and of their former neighbours. That is the situation which has changed, and has nothing to do with them prior to that eventuality. Ergo if it wasn't them prior to the situational change, it cannot logically be them from a supposed existence prior to that and especially to even being born.

'evil' is entirely 100% situational!

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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:32 am

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Arminius wrote:Say what you want, but Islam is a hate-and-war-religion,

So is Judaism. You aren't supposed to bash them either (even more so in the USA).

Arminius wrote: whereas Christianity is a love-and-peace-religion.

That is the distinction.
The OT has more evil laden elements than the Quran.
Approximately 20% of Jews [as with all humans] has an active evil tendencies.
The evil laden elements in the Torah will influence and inspire SOME evil prone Jews to commit terrible evils and violence. This is definitely happening from the right wing Jews and the zionists BUT fortunately we do not read of the terrible evils and violence on a regular basis from the evil prone Muslims, like this example; [29,133] which increase almost daily;

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Why?

I believe the following are the main reasons why there is not much evil acts and violence from the Jews;

1. The Torah has an absolute moral maxim related to killing another human being, i.e. Thou Shalt Not Kill! [period no ifs nor buts.] The Quran's command on this is conditional and not absolute, thus open to individual perceptions and interpretations.

2. The Jews do not proselytize and thus has only a very small population around the world.

3. The Jews has a higher percentage of educated, thus more rational people

4. The zionists are confining their interests to within Israel rather than world domination as exhorted in the Quran.

5. Other reasons ??
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:55 am

The Jews use the Star of David as an idol...

That's proselytizing ... And idolatry

They chose it because they realized how well the cross worked for Christianity !!

They are bastard hypocrites !!
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:04 am

Amorphos wrote:
From what you have assumed, what you have missed out the prior existence of people who are born with active evil tendencies.


That's because there is mathematically zero information outside of the system [i.e. telling us anything, or from a former life].
It is the world [and yes Gods creation] which makes us do 'evil' things, you take ordinary family men in e.g. the Balkans war, and within a very short time, they become family killers and of their former neighbours. That is the situation which has changed, and has nothing to do with them prior to that eventuality. Ergo if it wasn't them prior to the situational change, it cannot logically be them from a supposed existence prior to that and especially to even being born.

'evil' is entirely 100% situational!

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I am not very sure what you meant by "mathematically zero information outside of the system."

I believe humans are always within a system and there is no such thing as any thing independent of a system. In addition, as a non-theist I believe it is impossible for a God to exists. [separate OP issue].

What I meant by 'prior to that eventuality' is referenced to what is within one's inherited DNA and what happened during fetus development [neuron connectivity] that will have an impact on one's adult life.

Do you agree lots of things can happen to a person's brain during his/her development in the mother's womb prior to birth?
There are tons of reasons [stress, environmental, social, chemicals, etc.] that can effect a child's development in the brain that has critical consequences on the person's adult life.
One good recent example is the Zika virus that effect the brain development of the child. In this case, there are lots of information to explain how a person's brain is effected by the Zika virus and how it will affect the child's life in the future.
So I cannot understand why you say there is no information outside the system.

My point is there is sufficient information [regardless of your within or without the system] to understand human behavior in relation to what happened during their development in the womb and to some degree traceable to their genetics set up.

I don't believe ALL 'ordinary family men in e.g. the Balkans war,' will turned evils in a war situation. I have enough information to understand the principle that a certain percentage of human will have active good tendencies and a certain percentage will have active evil tendencies. There are lots of stories where Germans were saving Jews.

My points;
1. 20% [say] of Muslims [as with all humans] are born with an active evil tendency.
2. The Quran contain good and evil elements.
3. The evil elements in the Quran influenced the evil prone Muslims to commit terrible evils.
4. The evil prone Muslims are not to be blamed [primarily] because they were born with an active evil tendency.
5. The Quran is to be blamed for its inclusion of evil elements.
6. Get rid of the evil elements in the Quran and there will be no more Quran-inspired-evils.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:13 am

Ecmandu wrote:The Jews use the Star of David as an idol...

That's proselytizing ... And idolatry

They chose it because they realized how well the cross worked for Christianity !!

They are bastard hypocrites !!
Symbols, flags, are very common things for any group.

Generally the Jews do not proselytize their religion and I understand it is very difficult to pass the various tests to qualify as a Jews. This is obvious from the real numbers of Jews in the World.

In contrast Islam wants all humans to be a Muslims and all it takes for one to be a Muslim is to affirm the Shahada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada
It is also not difficult to be a protestant Christian and it is obvious the protestant Christians [especially JW and others] are very aggressive in their proselytizing.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:20 am

Arminius wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:More precisely please: The crusades happened between 1096 and 1270.

Note: Jerusalem, which the Christians wanted to reconquer, had been occupying by the Moslems since they conquered huge Christian territories (including the region with Jerusalem - of course) by terrible wars, violence, and other evils.

Say what you want, but Islam is a hate-and-war-religion, whereas Christianity is a love-and-peace-religion.
More precisely please;
It is Islam [in part, not wholly] that influence and inspire hate-and-war in SOME evil prone Muslims.

The point and problem is when we generalize Islam without qualifying we offend [unfairly to] the good Muslims and do not take into account the positive good elements within the Quran.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Arminius » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:26 pm

Prismatic567 wrote:
Arminius wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:More precisely please: The crusades happened between 1096 and 1270.

Note: Jerusalem, which the Christians wanted to reconquer, had been occupying by the Moslems since they conquered huge Christian territories (including the region with Jerusalem - of course) by terrible wars, violence, and other evils.

Say what you want, but Islam is a hate-and-war-religion, whereas Christianity is a love-and-peace-religion.
More precisely please;
It is Islam [in part, not wholly] that influence and inspire hate-and-war in SOME evil prone Muslims.

More precisely please: I am not saying that every Moslem is evil (do not put words into my mouth I never said, regardless how politically correct you want to be), but I am saying that Islam is a hate-and-war-religion. Not every Christian is a love-and-peace human - additionally a love-and-peace-religion can be interpreted as "being too weak". And not every Muslim is a hate-and-war-human. That is needless to say.

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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:39 pm

Prismatic567 wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:Say what you want, but Islam is a hate-and-war-religion,

So is Judaism. You aren't supposed to bash them either (even more so in the USA).

Arminius wrote: whereas Christianity is a love-and-peace-religion.

That is the distinction.
The OT has more evil laden elements than the Quran.
Approximately 20% of Jews [as with all humans] has an active evil tendencies.
The evil laden elements in the Torah will influence and inspire SOME evil prone Jews to commit terrible evils and violence. This is definitely happening from the right wing Jews and the zionists BUT fortunately we do not read of the terrible evils and violence on a regular basis from the evil prone Muslims, like this example; [29,133] which increase almost daily;

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Why?

I believe the following are the main reasons why there is not much evil acts and violence from the Jews;

1. The Torah has an absolute moral maxim related to killing another human being, i.e. Thou Shalt Not Kill! [period no ifs nor buts.] The Quran's command on this is conditional and not absolute, thus open to individual perceptions and interpretations.

2. The Jews do not proselytize and thus has only a very small population around the world.

3. The Jews has a higher percentage of educated, thus more rational people

4. The zionists are confining their interests to within Israel rather than world domination as exhorted in the Quran.

5. Other reasons ??

You seem to be ignoring what you do not see.
Judaism is founded upon hidden, secret, "invisible" manipulations, aka "serpents". That is accomplished very largely through misinformation: obfuscation, false flags, and blame shifting. Thus peoples get blamed for what others have done and other people are inspired into criminality, immorality, and war by hidden means. Religions get created in an attempt to defend against other religions.

"We shall turn nation against nation."

Unlike the other Abramic religions, Judaism prefers to be the small elite power above the world of servants. They very, very much prefer that the rest of the world, the gentiles, have no idea of their God and certainly not sharing in their wealth and power. So you are right, they certainly do not proselytize.

The Judaist curse upon Espinoza for the blasphemy of proclaiming that God is for everyone:
The Lords of the ma’amad, having long known of the evil opinions and acts of Baruch de Spinoza, have endeavord by various means and promises, to turn him from his evil ways. But having failed to make him mend his wicked ways, and, on the contrary, daily receiving more and more serious information about the abominable heresies which he practiced and taught and about his monstrous deeds, and having for this numerous trustworthy witnesses who have deposed and born witness to this effect in the presence of the said Espinoza, they became convinced of the truth of the matter; and after all of this has been investigated in the presence of the honorable chachamin, they have decided, with their consent, that the said Espinoza should be excommunicated and expelled from the people of Israel. By the decree of the angels, and by the command of the holy men, we excommunicate, expel, curse and damn Baruch de Espinoza, with the consent of God, Blessed be He, and with the consent of all the Holy Congregation, in front of these holy Scrolls with the six-hundred-andthirteen precepts which are written therein, with the excommunication with which Joshua banned Jericho, with the curse with which Elisha cursed the boys, and with all the curses which are written in the Book of the Law. Cursed be he by day and cursed be he by night; cursed be he when he lies down, and cursed be he when he rises up; cursed be he when he goes out, and cursed be he when he comes in. The Lord will not spare him; the anger and wrath of the Lord will rage against this man, and bring upon him all the curses which are written in this book, and the Lord will blot out his name from under heaven, and the Lord will separate him to his injury from all the tribes of Israel with all the curses of the covenant, which are written in the Book of the Law. But you who cleave unto the Lord God are all alive this day. We order that no one should communicate with him orally or in writing, or show him any favor, or stay with him under the same roof, or within four ells of him, or read anything composed or written by him.


Judaism is all about curses and fear via secret manipulations of others: Ahdam, "Who told you that you were naked?"
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Arminius » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:44 pm

James S Saint wrote:Judaism is founded upon hidden, secret, "invisible" manipulations, aka "serpents". That is accomplished very largely through misinformation: obfuscation, false flags, and blame shifting. Thus peoples get blamed for what others have done and other people are inspired into criminality, immorality, and war by hidden means. Religions get created in an attempt to defend against other religions.

"We shall turn nation against nation."

Unlike the other Abramic religions, Judaism prefers to be the small elite power above the world of servants. They very, very much prefer that the rest of the world, the gentiles, have no idea of their God and certainly not sharing in their wealth and power. So you are right, they certainly do not proselytize.

The Judaist curse upon Espinoza for the blasphemy of proclaiming that God is for everyone:
The Lords of the ma’amad, having long known of the evil opinions and acts of Baruch de Spinoza, have endeavord by various means and promises, to turn him from his evil ways. But having failed to make him mend his wicked ways, and, on the contrary, daily receiving more and more serious information about the abominable heresies which he practiced and taught and about his monstrous deeds, and having for this numerous trustworthy witnesses who have deposed and born witness to this effect in the presence of the said Espinoza, they became convinced of the truth of the matter; and after all of this has been investigated in the presence of the honorable chachamin, they have decided, with their consent, that the said Espinoza should be excommunicated and expelled from the people of Israel. By the decree of the angels, and by the command of the holy men, we excommunicate, expel, curse and damn Baruch de Espinoza, with the consent of God, Blessed be He, and with the consent of all the Holy Congregation, in front of these holy Scrolls with the six-hundred-andthirteen precepts which are written therein, with the excommunication with which Joshua banned Jericho, with the curse with which Elisha cursed the boys, and with all the curses which are written in the Book of the Law. Cursed be he by day and cursed be he by night; cursed be he when he lies down, and cursed be he when he rises up; cursed be he when he goes out, and cursed be he when he comes in. The Lord will not spare him; the anger and wrath of the Lord will rage against this man, and bring upon him all the curses which are written in this book, and the Lord will blot out his name from under heaven, and the Lord will separate him to his injury from all the tribes of Israel with all the curses of the covenant, which are written in the Book of the Law. But you who cleave unto the Lord God are all alive this day. We order that no one should communicate with him orally or in writing, or show him any favor, or stay with him under the same roof, or within four ells of him, or read anything composed or written by him.


Judaism is all about curses and fear via secret manipulations of others: Ahdam, "Who told you that you were naked?"

Is the text you quoted the original text?
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:50 pm

Arminius wrote:Is the text you quoted the original text?

Spinoza: Expulsion from the Jewish community
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Arminius » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:08 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:Is the text you quoted the original text?

Spinoza: Expulsion from the Jewish community

Thanks.

The following text seems to be the original text:

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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:27 pm

Feminism is another religion of hate.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:36 pm

Jews shift blame, yes, they also shift rewards...

Everyone on planet fucking earth knows marriage is conspicuous consumption!!!

The Jews are full on into that shit!!

The big question, is who to blame...

Thall shall have no other gods before me??

Adultery decreases aggression!!

They lie, lie, lie!!

I have a special place for Jews in my heart....

And it's not going to be fun!!
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