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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:12 pm

America is guilty of a crime and you, you my friend
are also guilty of that same crime...…..

America and you, are guilty of dishonesty and fraud
and being sanctimonious and engaging in hypocrisy.....

The actual crime being committed is bad faith...…

You proclaim your allegiance to certain values,
values that represent America... or so you say...…

and yet you either engage in actions that are not representative
of what it means to be an American or you commit the equally grave
crime of inaction...........

Perhaps this is what is mean by "modern"....
to engage in hypocrisy by action or inaction......

The American lie that all life is sacred is put to
the test when the budget, which is a moral document,
reduces the social net that keeps people alive. When
you reduce benefits to seniors, like my mother who monthly
faces the choice of either eating or getting life saving medicine...
or the parent who is face with feeding their children or paying medical bills....

As long as we practice the American nihilism of putting money before lives,
we are engaging in hypocrisy when we proclaim ourselves a "Christian" nation
and we don't practice what we preach.....

When we seprate children from their families for the "crime" of being illegal,
that is not "Christian" nor does it fall under the declaration of independence

"All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator
with certain inalienable Rights, that among these rights are life, liberty
and the pursuit of happiness"

We failed to practice our basic principles if we pick and choose who
we are going support or who we attack...….

Holding certain beliefs mean we must engage in those beliefs
both in practice and in theory.....

I have accused you of grave crimes and most of you will simply pretend
it doesn't mean you... because hay, we always assume ourselves to be innocent
of any crimes because we are perfect, we are certain, we are American's...….

How can we commit a crime if we are Christians because Christians
are always saved and doesn't being saved mean you are not longer guilty of
any crime. You can't accuse American's of engaging in hypocrisy because
we have the documents we profess our allegiance to, the declaration
and the constitution.... we are saved because we profess our belief in
those documents.... but we practice bad faith because we don't act upon
those documents, act upon them as if they are real, functional truths,
about what is our principles...…..At best, we offer lip service to the American
ideals of "truth, justice and the American way of life" or the concept that
"all men are created equal"...………………….

If you are silent about the hypocrisy of America and if you are silent
about the crimes committed against American's because they hold different
beliefs, then you are guilty...…

But no, most people reading this won't take this seriously...…
but why? because we think of ourselves as incapably of
committing crimes and yet, we do so all the time...…

Hypocrite.... your crimes of hypocrisy and bad faith is
clear as day... and yet, you refuse to see, refuse to engage
with your bad faith... what me? Nah, I am as clear as a window
in my engagement with my principles...

liar.... liar.... liar...….

You can no longer sit on the sidelines and pretend you are innocent,
pure as snow...… your silence convicts you of crimes against humanity....
crimes of bad faith... crimes of complicity with the forces that negate
human beings and their values... you are guilty of practicing nihilism when
you negate human beings and their values...…..

Nah, I am innocent of any crimes.... because I have never given it a minute
thought if I am guilty of hypocrisy and bad faith...…. and that is your only
defense... I have never given it a moments thought.....

don't treat your principles and beliefs like you do philosophy.....
as if it doesn't engage with or have anything to do with yourself....
my philosophy is simply an engagement with sterile and abstract
thought that doesn't commit me to anything in the real world...
it is simply mental masturbation..... and that is how people here
on ILP engage with philosophy... not with any real intent to practice
what they engage with in their interest in philosophy...…
philosophy is simply something someone does to pass the time,
not really to engage with or practice as a real thing...…

bad faith is about the false engagement with philosophy with
no intention to actually change one's beliefs or actions...…

"Those who sacrifice liberty for security
wind up with neither."
"Ben Franklin"
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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:35 pm

If you chanted, LOCK HER UP, LOCK HER UP....

you are not a "Christian"...for one of the guiding principles
of "Christianity" is forgiveness..... and if you chant "LOCK HER UP"
you are not engaging in forgiveness or any other "Christian" practice.....
You are not engage with forgiveness or love or charity... all "Christian"
principles or beliefs...……….

that is what I mean by practicing what we preach...…. if we preach
Christian idea's, we must practice Christian ideals and if we preach
American ideals, then we must practice American ideals...….

and you might ask, legitimately I might add, what are "American"
ideals?......and therein lies the problem..... we can say without
any fear of contradiction, that we have no idea what American
ideals really are...…...

so what are your values, your principles, your beliefs?

and what do you practice that is in support of your values, your principles,
your beliefs?

"Those who sacrifice liberty for security
wind up with neither."
"Ben Franklin"
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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:20 pm

let us rethink, reevaluate philosophy as we know it...…

Let us understand philosophical works as, as spiritual documents...

So let us take Descartes method, not as an quest for knowledge but
as a spiritual document...…

Descartes doesn't unify man, he separates him into body and mind.....
as a document to live by, Descartes book, "Discourse on method"
tells one how to achieve certainty, but doesn't tell one how to
engage in life....I think therefor I am.... isn't a spiritual message,
it is a knowledge understanding.....and what of Spinoza, "Ethics"...
is that a "spiritual" book, no.... it too instructs us in certainty
and doesn't tell us how to engage in life....and Hume and Kant
and Hegel, they are instruction manuals about philosophy, not
in how to live.. modern philosophy of about "what to know"
and not "what to be".... What you should know is the rational,
philosophical things you should know to be a philosopher,
but the real quest of philosophy is "what to be"...…
what shall I believe in and what shall I practice?

that is the true statement of philosophy...….

what is to be our engagement in our lives and in our society's life?

In what beliefs should we have and how do we practice our beliefs is the
real engagement in philosophy...…..

What values are we to hold and how do we practice those values... is just
another way of saying "how do we practice our beliefs"

How is Nietzsche for example, to be read as a spiritual document?

How is Hegel or Foucault or Heidegger to be read as spiritual documents?

One might ask, what does it mean "spiritual documents"?
and by doubt, you can achieve wisdom.....

"Those who sacrifice liberty for security
wind up with neither."
"Ben Franklin"
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Re: a new understanding of today, time and space.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:22 pm

ask someone of the MAGA crowd about why they favor IQ45
and quite often they will say, it pisses off the "libtards".
That is an rather astonishing statement. If you mean it,
and conservatives seem to lead with their anger and hate
and fear and greed, it means the entire concept of MAGA,
Make America Great Again, is a entirely false objective.....

For the entire reason for MAGA is to make America "Great"
(and we will for the moment, not ask how America is not great or
how IQ45 particular course of actions will make America great again)

No, we will point out that if, if the entire point of the exercise, of electing
people just to piss of "libtards", then we are not dealing with making
America great again, no, we are dealing with the right's anger
and fear against the left. The hatred of the left is so great that
the entire point of electing IQ45 is to piss off the left, but that
has nothing to do with making America great again....

a fairly good argument can be made that it was liberalism
that made America great. For the operating ism of the United States during
the years of greatness, from 1945 to 1980, were years of liberal beliefs
and actions.... the one blemish on those years, Nixon's Watergate which of
was driven by Republicans. Starting with the election of the conservative's
darling, Raygun, in 1980, we begin to see cracks in America's greatness. We have
the Iran-contra debacle which was run out of the White house, the Vice-president
office, in 1986, by the recently deceased Bush Sr, a Republican.

We have in 1992 a fairly conservative democrat, Clinton, still following
a mild, tamed down Liberalism. His blemish was the Lewensky affair
(and if have to impeach him for that, then you must impeach IQ45 for
the far more serious crime of federal election laws, you cannot engage in
selective enforcement of the law, for that is not justice, which is equality,
but that is the beauty of being conservative, you just cherry pick your beliefs
and their enforcement )
but then after Clinton, we have Bush Jr. (who is looking better every day)
and his crimes were about the full frontal attack upon the rights of every single
American.....and then Obama, who was a far more conservative president then
Clinton, in fact, I would say that Obama was right of center, not even center
of the profile, but right of...……

But we have conservatives who will defend the election of IQ45 as
being about pissing off "libertards"....but what exactly has IQ45 done
or accomplished? You can only point to one thing, the massive
tax give away to the wealthy and corporations. That was his only
accomplishment in the last two years, even with a GOP house, a
GOP senate, a GOP supreme court..... and yet, yet, we are expected
to make America great with zero accomplishments? I don't see how
we can make America great given the complete failure of the conservative
agenda which is clear in its welfare for the rich program as its only
accomplishment. Virtually every other thing IQ45 has done has
been by executive order. He has been doing the agenda of the
wealthy and the corporations by making profits, the pursuit of
money as the primary goal of the political agenda. The pursuit
of profits, as I have noted is nihilism and if you support it,
you are also engaged in the pursuit of nihilism.....
which is the negation of human beings and their values....
To support the conservative agenda is the pursuit of nihilism...
and that is the real point of my topic today.... conservative values
are nihilistic values because they negate human beings and their
values..... And it is quite clear if one looks at the political
actions of the GOP over the last 40 years, since 1980, that
the goal of the GOP has been the negation of human beings
and their values.... for example, we have the attack upon
the freedom of women to choose what happens to their bodies,
which is under attack by the GOP... taking away freedoms
is a negation of values and that is the GOP agenda,
taking away freedoms......The GOP is trying to take
away the freedom of voting, as exhibited by voter suppression
laws in many states and taking away democracy as exhibited
in states like Wis and NC. in which the GOP is trying to
suppress democracy after losing the 2018 elections...

It is clear that the GOP is anti-democratic.....
look at their actions and yet, yet, people still
still support them because it "pisses of the Libtards"

yes, support anti-democratic policies because if pisses
of liberals but perhaps should engage not in just
"pissing off libtards" but engage in some concern
about what will actually make America great again...

which is a strong dose of liberalism in public policy
and public actions..... because that is how America
became great the first time.. before American values was destroyed
by conservative Icons like Raygun………

"Those who sacrifice liberty for security
wind up with neither."
"Ben Franklin"
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