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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:47 pm

Hello Mowk.

My wife is on CPAP. If ever she gets it, it could serve as respirator. The only problem, it spews out the unfiltered exhaled air.

It has been looked at as an alternative, but dismissed as harboring too much risk.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:07 pm

Meno_ wrote:Hello Mowk.

My wife is on CPAP. If ever she gets it, it could serve as respirator. The only problem, it spews out the unfiltered exhaled air.

It has been looked at as an alternative, but dismissed as harboring too much risk.


Hello Meno_.
My wife has been on a CPAP machine as well. I've looked at it from the respirator perspective but I'm not seeing how that would work.

To the best of my awareness the ventilators used in hospitals simply filter the exhaled air and I don't know what size particle that filter was designed to trap. That's one of the problems requiring the use of PPE in the care of individuals hospitalized. I think it is a problem of isolation at the source. Masks and filters for that matter simply attempt to stop the spread through entrapment, yet make no attempt to render the bug incapable of reproducing else where.

If sick and must wear a mask, that person is forced to re-inhale the problem causing virus over and over again. It would seem like that could be making it harder to recover from. What would, I think be helpful, is a mask that traps the bug and an renders it incapable of reproducing on contact within the "trap". For those not infected, a mask that entraps the bug and renders it harmless before it is breathed into the lungs to reproduce. If we could do that it would not be the bug it is.

Many countries have gone so far as to go out in the world and attempt to sanitize the outside surroundings.

The effectiveness of an N-95 mask. When properly fit, is designed to catch 0.3 micron particles, 95% of the time. *
* https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... china.html

I'm not thinking making your own mask out of denim and curtain lining is going to provide much protection. But maybe if you used a HEPA vacuum cleaner bag you might have more luck.

Another note is the virus travels on larger molecules or clumps of cells like mucus, and even T-shirt cotton when folded a few time can catch material that large. Like I said it would be helpful to render the bug harmless as well in these forms of traps.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:05 pm

Just saw an article about converting a BiPAP device into a ventilator. But not a CPAP device.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news ... entilators.

But I suppose if you could rig the air pressure though some sort of external mechanical oscillator, a breathing rhythm could be produced from the constant air pressure produced by a CPAP machine . Add a HEPA filter or two, and you've got a primitive ventilator. The device would need some controls to regulate things like air volume and delivery pressure, breathing rhythm, pause time between cycles.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:26 am

A new mask design. An airtight fitted mask with a one-way valve in it. This would allow for a filter comprised of cotton fabric lined with a HEPA material to filter incoming air, paired to an exhalation filter designed to "kill" the virus and retire it in place.

The mask would be constructed of a material that can easily be disinfected and it's filters replaced as circumstance requires.

Get these on the faces of every possible carrier. And attack the remaining virus population on the outside of living organisms where it can't reproduce.

The Gov. of New York city shared that a N-95 mask sold for 79 cents in January and they are being sold on-line in march for over 7 dollars. Well that is an example of capitalism in play scrabbling to make a quick buck or seven, a greater and greater return on investment. Nothing other than any capitalist does. And just now, that is crooked? WTF?
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:36 am

It is what is happening in the professionalization of sport and those franchises.
It is what is happening in entertainment in general through the idea of a "star" is born. And the financial influence of an Academy Award.
It is what is happening in stock fund management in the financial sector.
It is what is happening now when our government uses it's citizens taxes to support corporations that are too big to fail. Corporations are just people with vastly dissimilar assets.

And just now buying low and selling high is crooked?

"And a god looked at all that he created and exclaimed it is good."

Just what sort of imagination does one require to make some sense from that?

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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:40 am

In the most extreme examples of ventilation requirement a tube is inserted into the patients air way that requires blocking it entirely to prevent the respiratory system from collapsing. In those cases feeding can only be accomplish via the bloods circulatory system. That's when the shit gets critical.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:35 pm

So far I've been through two Covid screenings and the question is now in the hands of my primary care provider. Have been home since our state issued a statewide "Safer at Home" order, but only started wearing a home made mask within the last week. Sure would suck if I'm been responsible for spreading it around.

I've been to the grocery store twice, (most recent trip wearing a mask. Fleet Farm once, no mask, (before the recommendation), Home Depot once, no mask, (before the recommendation), Local Liquor store once, wore a mask, Local pharmacy twice, once to find out they were sold out of thermometers , second time wore a mask to find out they were sold out of Oximeters, and got may hair cut once, prior to showing symptoms.

Still have a dry cough, shortness of breath, and fatigue. Haven't had a fever in over a month.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:10 am

A nurse got back to me with the doctors recommendations. There isn't a reliable test yet to determine if I've developed antibodies. And if I am over it there wouldn't be a virus left that currents test could detect. Some experience permanent lung damage so the symptoms remaining are consistent with that. She suggested blowing up a balloon once a day as a way to check if my lung capacity has been affected and monitor the symptoms to see if they get worse, and of course she suggested quitting smoking.

Interesting to note that all four of my grandparents lived through the Spanish flu pandemic.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Meno_ » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:19 pm

Hoping You are feeling better. I heard double takes on reinfections, and they are almost contradictory. One opinion is, that there is added immunity, which will make a reinfections more unlikely, at most, and with a vastly improved outcome, at least. However, even with pets getting it, there is too much uncertainty.
The newest finding is blood coagulation and the formation of obstructions which predispose to heart attacks, in newly found effects of the disease.

Maybe can be attributed to sudden mutations?

Take care of Your self.
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Re: There isn't really a muse thread.

Postby Mowk » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:30 am

Thanks Meno_.
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