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This guy bought an island off the Greek fire sale, dirt cheap real estate from a people under massive oppression whose entire country is being carved up by rich globalist cronies. Europe should be ashamed of itself, if it had any fucking balls left it would be. Same Johnny depp and other actors seizing the opportunity to rape a culture and people for their own fucked vanity.
These influential wealthy actors should be using their power to affect the situation positively by speaking out and openly refusing to rape the Greek people. I mean what the fuck.
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Why not? Give Greece back to the people. I trust Johnny Depp with the furthering of greek culture more than I do some government.
The greek will have to face up to not having a pathos beyond a 3000 year old history that mostly ended some 2100 years ago.
Fuck capitalists too, but… What, is Germany going to support mummies? I get Zizek, but to what end, Zizek? Put up (culturally) or shut up, Greece, with your dirty streets and ill-humered denizens.
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I was very disappointed with the greek negotiations. What claim is Greece actively staking on its “own” ressources?
Tsipras was so misterious and promising… What’s his plan now, a symbolic raping? To prove a point for the future?
Disappointing…
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It’s simple. Gradual indebtedness with eventual market and banking collapse, or as the international “news” headlines say, “Without massive new loans Greece to default on debts”. Yeah. Like I said, what the fuck.
Governments are run by cheap insane cronies, culture, knowledge, dignity, vitality, art, passion, philosophy, it’s all down the tubes according to the globally governing ethos now. Be careful not to fall into the trap of blaming the Greek people- they are and were no different from most the rest of western countries.
But I get it, the temptation to trust the hidden power brokers who rob and rape the rest. It’s more philosophically comforting than aligning oneself with “average” humanity-- but notice, the categories are defunct. There is no philosophy here at all, hence what I wrote about the absolute difference between politics and philosophy. It will keep coming to a head, that abyss.
Humans die, cultures live longer and, while these die too, pass themselves on into history. What future is portended by Europe submitting itself to cheap tyranny of debt politics and privatization of nations?
You want to blame Greek people, sure, then point that finger right back at yourself too.
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And don’t tell me “the people” didn’t stand up and try to fight. They did. 60% of Greeks rejected the bailouts. They’re the only people with a fucking heart, it seems.
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Actually I personally fear Tsipras has been subjected to horrible criminal threats, possibly to his family. I have no illusions about any limits to the methods of bankers, and the giant turn Tsipras made suddenly, and without any apparent ground, made me suspect vey foul play. It was widely publicized that he was ‘held hostage’ is Brussels, put under violent pressure, blackmail, all that was in the open. But what lay behind that? If there’s filth seeping into the open you can be sure there’s shit a thousand times filthier going on in the background. No decision on this level (stealing nations) is made in relation to any socially acceptable norm. It is more likely the very vilest of human vileness that Greece was up against this summer.
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Regarding Depp buying an island, I hope pezer is right and even that he is doing it in the spirit of ‘old hippies’, so to speak - the idea of buying cheap islands of this blackmailed country is nauseating to say the least, but I do feel a little less dread about this somewhat conscientious actor buying one than when it’s done by fucking oil-sheiks.
On the Greek people, when I visited the country for the first time this winter, I encountered a people radically different from any I’d ever seen. I’d never seen a people with such calm, dignity, and overt vulnerability. I think that they are still roughly the same people as they were 2500 years ago. At the very least they still retain a part of their original spirit.
But this is no match for the power of the global financial elites; even in its glory days Greece had a hard time defending itself from the savage empire.
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Just imagine how incredibly easy it would be to rule by the use of two separate paradigms; convince the public that a political process is going on and make it so intense that they are captivated and somewhat outraged. In the background, play it personal, use pressure points, true weaknesses, leave no means to influence unused. I don’t think there’s any question that politics is played this way, because the one who plays it this way would always be victorious.
But maybe I am being paranoid, and Tsipras is actually a completely spineless bitch. I prefer to doubt that.
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I sent a letter to Tspiras and Varoufakis this summer, offering my help. I had the hope that there was a possibility of infusing politics with philosophy at this hazardous juncture. I wasn’t ‘filled with hope’, I was just thinking if I do not write now I’m a fool.
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You’re definetly right, I suppose.
I don’t really have the strength to judge state and capitalist politics on their terms. All I have the strength for is finding the positive value in whatever happens and wonder what I can do, with my ressources, to take advantage. Politics for philosophers ought to be the politics of a child. Their arrogance is that they are unbullshitable, they opine carelessly because they have their own agenda which is so selfish as to be deeply empathetic.
Who says Machiavellian politics is dead? It will be dead when desire and thought are no longer possible at the same time, and then the only noble path is honest-to-goodness buhddism.
In this age, if a philosopher wants the prerrogative to philosophize, he will have to forsake rage.
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In the indespensible words of the Hitchhiker’s Guide to The Galaxy: DON’T PANIC
Don’t panic also happens to be the only truly valuable lesson I learned from smoking weed. I used to wonder: “what advantage can I take from that dimension to help me?” Once I got high, with the fuck-its at 100, the only answer was “never panic. Useless.”
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You’re definetly right, I suppose.
I don’t really have the strength to judge state and capitalist politics on their terms. All I have the strength for is finding the positive value in whatever happens and wonder what I can do, with my ressources, to take advantage. Politics for philosophers ought to be the politics of a child. Their arrogance is that they are unbullshitable, they opine carelessly because they have their own agenda which is so selfish as to be deeply empathetic.
Who says Machiavellian politics is dead? It will be dead when desire and thought are no longer possible at the same time, and then the only noble path is honest-to-goodness buhddism.
Wait, let’s move past the specifics of Machiavelli and Buddhism for a second and focus only on the combining of desire and thought; as simple as it is, it is also the core of almost all ethical philosophy - granted I’ve had a few drinks and am bound to exaggerate even more than usual, but the two terms, in this context (so perhaps not forget the specifics) are of that quality that causes plasmic struggles, tectonic pining, proto-creation in my minds-eye;
Coupling desire and thought, it is not enough to think through the desire and infuse the thinking with the energy of desire, what is required is to have both build up in consciousness separately (I usually use my left an right field of imagination) and then by magic, merge them.
This is the technique of occultism and psychic power.
Parodites masters this fusion technique to ridiculous levels and appears to have developed his philosophy out of it.
The basic effect of it is energy. Thought x Desire (it’s not an adding up but a fuller computing of both with each other) results in time, that is to say the fusion (it’s not possible for me to describe how to bring about the fusion; one wills it but rather than pushing it, one ‘expects it extremely welcomingly’ - one leaves the two states in ones mind no other choice but to merge, but them must do it at their own chosen moment) causes a more direct awareness of being in time for a few seconds, as neither thought as such or emotion as such are possible now, the consciousness is single and thus the body is quite active; it could be that it is healing, or it could be dancing, or the head could be moving cat like in pure sensory concentration, but the will is engaged in the flesh; and thus thus, desire x thought = will, and we can not really accomplish anything in the outside world besides routines, if we do not arrive in this state.
No doubt, cocaine facilitates such a state; but in a weaker way than magic; I tried cocaine and my reaction was ‘ah, they’re just trying to be more like me’ . What happens is that you believe your thoughts passionately; the philosopher does this because his thoughts are real, coke is a means to act is if they are real.
Anyway. I haven’t done a fully fledged fusion for a long long time. The last time I did it was in 2004 or 2005. This set in motion a train of drastic events, creation and destruction, involving my writing and directing about islam on national television and breaking the ice after a political murder; it was necessity that pushed me to go so far as to attempt an actual occult ‘coup d’Etat’, by which I here mean ‘taking of state’ with ‘state’ as state of will - even though the things we made were explicitly shaped to resemble a state-intervention by the royal house – I am rambling along nicely, talking about it brings me back to that state which had ended prematurely; and this state is the state in which magicians conduct politics. They exert influence on their own terms, of which laugher is the first. You can not do high politics without relishing the absurdities on which it is grounded and by which it is surrounded. Laughter is the way to isolate the rational self-valuing from the world, which is a monster of energy and only rational in the most utilitarian sense.
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Here I become like Capable, outright, absolute rejection of politics. Let the world go up in flames before I give up my rage.
But I can ultimately give up on expressing it in a typically angry fashion. That is what happens when the merger takes place; rage becomes intelligent. It becomes like a lucid orb (like in “The Abyss”) of tangible futurality, in which ones ‘vengeance’ (one’s kindness and keen-ness, for a large part) becomes crystallized in the extreme coherence of an unfolding plan, and an unfolding discipline to act in accordance with that plan. At this stage, the world begins to bend toward the will of the magicians, and small miracles begin to happen. Gates open, materials appear, allies present themselves, and laws don’t seem to matter as much anymore.
Remind myself now of the “This is she!” tirade Mercutio gives off, but it’s still all very true.
Magic even taught me how to dance.
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“Expects it extremely welcomingly.” You are without a doubt one of my favorite people.
Ya, ya. That’s what I meant about the rage. Vengeance feels no rage, but it does feel an unrelenting drive.
It kills me that Nietzsche turns out to be right at every point. I swear I don’t go out to venerate him, he just had the unalianable power of being right.
But we’ll see. Napoleon had military, I have philosophy.
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I would like to add that, as in everything else, the apt philosopher finds a wealth of truth in vengeance that transcends the vengeance itself.
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No, I AM right, the philosopher must forsake rage if he wants to retain his prerrogative to philosophize. I used it to make a political vengeance, to become a politician, and forsook my prerrogative. Like Moses (a star in The Prince, by the way).
We don’t all have to. Those who do should help me, and those who don’t, and forsake rage, will help most by philosophizing.
Philosophizing on health.
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This was sort of the theme song to the operation as it began to take shape, when it was still called “Jihad against Hate”, in which the impulse of rage doubling down on itself to transcend itself is visible. It later, when the magic began to breathe, acquired a more “golden” name, as it took on that golden nature of play and symbolism became available. That’s when you know you’re in.
The project lasted about a year and a half from the murder to the moment where I either fucked up or was wise - shifted my attentions to music, and my inner world. If we had continued we’d have started a political party, real but as satire. A year later another network did just that. But not with a fake-crazy muslim but a two hot chicks, and it was instantly forgotten. I chickened out because my family was radically against it and the project required my fullest commitment, I was torn and that was it. The wand-wielding magic disintegrated and I shifted to music, inner world; made a rap album that is primarily painful and stranded in a few years of desert. Then I rediscovered the magical impulse Pluto’s transit into Capricorn (we all remember november 2008) and was able to come alive again, find film work, a girlfriend, a house. From that girlfriend came lie in Vienna and the raven-visited window where I had the insight about the scientific impulse that led to a deeper science.
To me it’s all both magical and ‘emotionally unstable’ - whether it’s rage or sorrow or fear or mania, philosophy is carried by the storm, and only by embracing that storm it can become its silent eye.
Before that moment, one may have to do a lot of this.
You’re pressing me to understand myself, and I am perhaps only speaking for myself – to philosophize, all emotions need to be felt at once, and this state is both a rage and a silence, as it produces ‘mind’. Mind is nothing but the controlled alchemy of the emotions. One can not think great thoughts if one does not feel deep passion. Passion relies on all the emotions. This is all new to me but I agree with myself. This is path. The pan-emotional school, politicizing the emotions rather than the mind. Philosophy as a possible outcome.
Health and Rage; the two feel so drawn to each other to me, almost as man and woman.
But here’s the thing: one can not philosophize and be rageful at someome, or something. It is required that one not care about what caused the rage; to be grateful for the stimulus even, this is proper vengeance served cold. It leaves high-arched memories in the heart.
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Yes, philosophy is moved by deep things. Rage… Rage is a concecuence of understanding Nietzsche. He reminds us that there is much more in store and our first instinct is to hate unhealth. We revel in lashing out, to use our intelligence to affirm our superiority.
I followed that path with the love of fire that defines me, and ended up quite quickly (as I planned) at a door. “Fuck it, lesse what’s there,” I said.
I found the world wanting. And this is politics, as Sawelios has aptly said. To be dead-set on allowing any like one’s self to open the door and keep revelling. To keep the joy of philosophy and the possibility of the ubermensch’s joy alive.
I only see two paths for this. To turn inwards into philosophy and seek a cold betterment and to turn outwards into the world and find water. Both are needed, any one person can only do one.
To stand before this choice and not make it: well, I suppose it’s possible too. I don’t see a lot of future for it. I don’t because I am not dealing in theory or conjecture, but animal truth.
I do wonder if it’s too hardcore, I have always been cruelest to my friends. But I am a fire guy, and fire burns. It’s the good wet stuff that stops the burning, what is still alive.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuck Johnny Depp Fuck Johnny Depp Icon_minitimeFri Sep 18, 2015 12:23 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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Yes, philosophy is moved by deep things. Rage… Rage is a concecuence of understanding Nietzsche. He reminds us that there is much more in store and our first instinct is to hate unhealth. We revel in lashing out, to use our intelligence to affirm our superiority.
I followed that path with the love of fire that defines me, and ended up quite quickly (as I planned) at a door. “Fuck it, lesse what’s there,” I said.
I found the world wanting. And this is politics, as Sawelios has aptly said. To be dead-set on allowing any like one’s self to open the door and keep revelling. To keep the joy of philosophy and the possibility of the ubermensch’s joy alive.
I share your sentiments. It’s the reason a library would work an a bookshop wouldn’t.
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I only see two paths for this. To turn inwards into philosophy and seek a cold betterment and to turn outwards into the world and find water. Both are needed, any one person can only do one.
I’ve created my pearl, have been at the peak of my abstract capacity, and can only do justice to it now by prying open the oyster of the world.
I have no illusions. That is at least the punchline if the joke resounds.
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To stand before this choice and not make it: well, I suppose it’s possible too. I don’t see a lot of future for it. I don’t because I am not dealing in theory or conjecture, but animal truth.
I do wonder if it’s too hardcore, I have always been cruelest to my friends. But I am a fire guy, and fire burns. It’s the good wet stuff that stops the burning, what is still alive.
It’s not too hard core, it’s precisely appropriate. Cruelty is good, if it means to demand, to set difficult goals, or to impose limits that guide the will along an intelligent course (“evolution”) - nature is merciless and fortune favors the bold. The laws of Heraclitean fire. Only boldness can amount in mercy.
Surplus and mercy are related.
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4 years of vo talk on ilp has completely overthrown the epistemic order there. it started with satyr thinking about it in his neanderthal manners; producing the idea that values this values that blah blah ( not actually an idea but what was on his mind). This was followed by years of debate where i tried to explain. no avail. right now the outcome is that half of them do not believe in facts anymore; the other half hating the notion of values.
it is a small testpool and its utter ruin isnt a great loss, but it is awesome to see how the raw force of a misunderstood but correct principle can wreak havoc in the collective mind.
one lesson to learn is that the people do need religion and not philosophy. i have a debate upcoming with Sauwelios, about Nietzsches proposed religion of Dionysos and Ariadne. That should, while not being the form I currently see as fit (or understand) at least serve as a start to thinking through a ‘spiritual diet’ that leads from bloated nihilism to fresh greens.
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I’ll put my two cents in here right away:
A religion needs to exist already for real and understand itself before it is given to the people, or it will surely be fleshed in with their previous devotion. It can have a lot of power, but not tyrannycal power.
The means create the ends: the devotion is implemented first. Those who implement it must already know God.
See effective religion cannot be a lie. Kierkegaard’s leap of faith: there is something worth venerating.
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Further still: religion is for the high. Only a sublimely tyrannical spirit has need for religion. The people need to be awakened, not to philosopohy, not to religion, but to life.
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“Give 'em the greens first. They’ll come around on the rest…”
Life is a tough motherfucker. Joy is spontaneous in it, it precedes all veneration. God has been man’s barrier to life for a very long time: what god can now do the opposite? They need to breathe first. They need assurances.
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“Pleased to meet you… Won’t you guess my name?
Yes, what’s troubling you is the nature of my game.”
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Happy to hear that VO has succeeded in disrupting ILP. I’m not at all surprised. But give it time, more members there will start coming around to the idea, I bet. The rest will just keep going insane, which becomes boring for everyone after a while.
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I’ll put my two cents in here right away:
A religion needs to exist already for real and understand itself before it is given to the people, or it will surely be fleshed in with their previous devotion. It can have a lot of power, but not tyrannycal power.
The means create the ends: the devotion is implemented first. Those who implement it must already know God.
See effective religion cannot be a lie. Kierkegaard’s leap of faith: there is something worth venerating.
Agreed.
I can never relate to the philosophers who found it difficult to venerate; this is my default position, veneration. Now what is especially worthy of being venerated is the actual qualities of qualities, or forms of forces, that for your world, body and psyche.
Anyone who gives me his birth date, time and place, I will know in a sense better than he will know himself. I once did an online analysis of a troubled rocker guy, I thought he had given the data of this radically troubled friend he talked about and whose chart I had offered to read to help him gain insight in her compulsions. So he gave me data, and I saw a chart with a very serious but beautiful conflict, which I spelled out to him with religious intensity. The reading was very accurate, he said, but it wasn’t his friend but himself. I don’t now who of us fucked up, but the outcome was painful. An astrologer’s first job is to hide most of the truth he sees. Well the first job is to survive the truth he sees about himself. Astrologers are the most weathered souls. Philosophers can never be confronted with truth that does no in some way follow from what they already understand to be necessary; the astrologer is cofronted with facts he knows to be true like one know the heart is struck, in fact that chart strikes directly on the heart. It takes a good while for the blow to ‘form’, for the impact to resound out of enough different corners of the web to give an experience of a character, of ‘someone’. When it does this is understood by the heart, a ‘main drive’ is perceived, jumps out takes on a face, an identity, one is now talking to a person. Looking at a chart with the person present is like a life of psychoanalysis condensed in half an hour.
But it can also reveal the strengths of commanders, and, there are several methods, one of which especially effective, to determine key moments of impact, where a particular type of transformation is inevitable. The progressed moon chart, it is never off. Of course it requires a good reader, a psychologist as well as an abstract pattern reader. But good astrologers abound. There are many who are better than I am at picking out the Leo’s or Libra’s out of a crowd by observing their faces. I often have to take two guesses for someones sun sign. It will happen that I think she’s a Libra but she is Pisces and Libra on the Ascendant. But even amateur astrologers averages are well above what would be plausible if it wasn’t hermetically valid.
So yes, a divine order does exist. Uncertainty exists on all levels below the human scale, but there is no grand randomness, no uncertainty in terms of greatness, previously known as gods, now known as mans vision of the cosmos of which he is part. There is nothing that hasn’t been honed to perfection by the sheer possibility of everything, and the limitlessness of time. This - and here is where I am truly in the dark - applies besides to whatever we may have in mind, especially to the relation of the human body to this body’s perspective on the cosmos. Day or night, full moon or new moon, winter or summer - these are rudiments. But causal relationships, precisely because they have been so universally ‘valuable’ (expedient) to stand out of all other hypothetically possible conditions, drill into the nature of things with more pervasive results than we tend to attribute to them. The star Aldebaran - where is he in your chart? 9 Gemini. Do you have a conjunction? Regulus, 0 Virgo, the kingmaker star. High rises and deep falls. Vega, I thought 13, 14 or 15 Capricorn, star of the lyre, magical. If I say too much this becomes a religious dithyramb, but this is what is necessary now.
But I am part of a circle so I will perform precisely these religious rites which serve the interests decided upon in the ways decided upon by philosophical thought.
We are back in the sun, contemplating the possible edifice. By astrology I have at my command a properly working knowledge of human quality as it is distributed though men and women. It is all without objective value, but it is not without objective quality. So the question is how do we value the given qualities. Astrology provides facts, philosophy sets values. Now, Pezer has agreed with me that Mars and Venus are suitable first values.
Roughly speaking, Venus represents a persons values, and Mars represents the persons drive. Mars in Capricorn will be methodical and ascetic, Mars in Leo will be indulgent and awesome, Mars in Scorpio will be pervasive and very tough, Mars in Virgo will be an extremely focused strength, beyond the reach of normal concentration, Mars in Aquarius will be silent and free, Mars in Aries will be impulsive and dominant, Mars in Taurus will be brutally strong, Mars in Gemini produces military genius, Mars in Cancer… weird… would ‘emote martially’, be dominant within emotions, be very internally oriented, but fearless. Sagittarius… that is a good Mars placement, ruled by Jupiter. Like Jupiter is good in Aries. But Jupiter is good everywhere. At least in terms of the sign he’s in - not in terms of the squares he makes. Jupiter squares are true problems, problems gods would have. They thus also make the possessor of that problem god-like in his need, and this is all human, there are many people with such squares, I being one of them. But with Saturn and Sun. Which are opposed. This is excruciating and awesome at once. That;s most usually he case - excruciating aspects belong to people with great experiences - but our ties are ready or this truth now, in other ages these aspects were considered downright evil.
Beyond astrology, which is only a tool for the one who must wield it, there is a far greater philosophical ‘cause of order’ - in fact the reason that astrology works can be gathered from how we conceive of the primal nature and the absence of beginnings to this order, and there is where I steer away from Nietzsche’s kamikaze dive into sameness; the consequence of infinite time is not recurrence of the same arbitrary things but, because life is will to power and not a game of billiards, a process of endless increase. This is how the galaxies are honed, fallen together. It is however not an I am sure that if the whole atomic order were to collapse, it will do so orderly and as a majestic harvest of values, a coming together of all self-valuings in terms of each others natural conjectures; the universe can not collapse if its constituents are at odds with each other. The big crunch will be taken like Crowley to death: open eyes, eager for what is beyond.
Does any of this make sense? I am, as always when I attempt cosmology in writing, bitterly disappointed with what turn out t structurally be mere ramblings. Norally I would delete it but that would ruin my night probably as this shit costs me a lot of energy - all these combinations require being them, energy -
I liked of all things I contemplated the most Mars in Aquarius and Mars in Cancer. Virgo was also interesting.
Okay, I think I do need to do this, construct a ‘temple’ where Mars and Venus are explained in terms of basic placements and aspects; to be part of this religion, one has to accept it as truth, thus operate as if it is true, thus not try to gan knowledge without information.
Astrology works best if the hour is known to the minute. But for the method I use, a general time of day is sufficient; I look mainly at aspects, angles. It often happens that I study a chart for an hour and realize I don’t even know the persons sun sign. What fascinates me is the direct alchemy between the planets. The alchemy occurs in my mind, and this is an addictive process. The alchemy is strongest in terms of the aspects because these transition in all these various ways. When Neptune trines Pluto, whole generations can grow up with it, but when Mars trines the Moon, that is a bunch of persons three times every month. Mars trining the Moon while sextiling the Sun happens less frequently, and any other aspect that is made further deepens the uniqueness of the chart, until there is an absolute uniqueness, which is necessarily always the basis, as even twins do not come out at once. No astrological situation can occur twice, there are too may layers involved and the out layers simply disintegrate as they ‘rotate’, but do so so slowly that we don’t even notice they progress at all.
" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "
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PostSubject: Re: VO clusterbomb VO clusterbomb Icon_minitimeFri Sep 25, 2015 2:45 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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Happy to hear that VO has succeeded in disrupting ILP. I’m not at all surprised. But give it time, more members there will start coming around to the idea, I bet. The rest will just keep going insane, which becomes boring for everyone after a while.
It’s cool that people are actually suspended between states now. They are properly confused. I am coming around to Sauwelios’ idea of cruelty.
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PostSubject: Re: VO clusterbomb VO clusterbomb Icon_minitimeFri Sep 25, 2015 2:56 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Don’t be bitter. It happens to me when I write of my deepest realizations.
Like astrological charts, these realizations are so unique in their power that to explain them would require a “ritualistic” situation not achiavable on the internet and not necessarily desirsable, even among the most kindred of spirits. What doesn’t fail to come through is the power of it. Poweful minds either stash it or want to use it, both causing deep ripples.
More accomplished philosophers, like Capable and Parodites, don’t seem to have this problem. Their epiphanies happen on the paper, and this is what I need philosophy for, as I said, what we all do: make power patent. Humility and effectiveness in all things that follow from the epihanies of the less philosophically inclined, things that in turn cannot fail to impress and inspire a philosopher.
We must serve only them, because they cannot help but serve us. This loop is magnificent, and it requires that those like us hone our influence to the maximum. As we breed world, they will give it name.
And no manner of powerful mind, from the eldest times to the furthest away, will ever be fooled into missing the power of this.
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PostSubject: Re: VO clusterbomb VO clusterbomb Icon_minitimeFri Sep 25, 2015 3:51 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I wasn’t being bitter - merely understating.
Deep down I like to see the fires from which things will emerge. I am perhaps quite “evil”, without knowing it. Who isn’t? Some people say. I wouldn’t know.
Is knowledge painful? Often, yes. But often enough, it does us a whole lot of good, one hit of good knowledge can thrive in an for days, weeks he forgets are weeks and not seconds; experiences become archetypes in us first, then some of us feel in our psychedelic insufficiency compelled to draw a mark on a wall.
Venus and Mars - how the solution to a dead monogod may be the throning of a pair of gods.
It’s more exciting. But not confusing.
Perfect!
Here, in my innocence, I had said:
Pezer wrote:
“Pleased to meet you… Won’t you guess my name?
Yes, what’s troubling you is the nature of my game.”
Yeah but listen.
The Church forbids Astrology. Why? Because it is more powerful than their god, and their devil combined. The Devil doesn’t exist. There is the planet Venus, called Lucifer the Light Bearer, without the favor of which no person will succeed in manipulating another to his own pleasure. Then there is Mars, Ares the much hated god, without whose favor a man cannot strike true in combat. These two together form a pact or a war in the chart, and sometimes the war is better than the pact. Sometimes the pact is so powerful that it comes to represent a paradigm of violence and morals, such as is the case with Adolf Hitler, who has Venus and Mars both in Taurus, at the moment that the Sun enters the sign.
Okay so let this religion be based on the most objective standard of power we have, which is Adolf Hitler. Evil is of no concern to astrology, only power and quality. The qualities of Venus and Mars coincided in Hitler to produce, quite simply, a superior man. The same is the case of Winston Churchill, and Roosevelt, the former of which especially has my great favor. I do not like Hitler, but this makes him an all too much the greater standard. The point against which other powers are pitted. It is convenient at last because it leaves it completely open what “Venus” and “Mars” actually mean. They bear no characteristic separate of one another. Now we must find a person in who they stand opposed.
Ok - Michael Gorbachov and Jay Leno stand out.
Gorbachov: Venus in Capricorn with Saturn, and Mars in Cancer with Jupiter and Pluto.
Leno: Venus in Pisces with Jupiter against Mars and a conjunction of Saturn and Moon in Virgo.
Venus is completely in her element here, Mars is perfectly at the service of what is apparently a quite ruthless emotional scrutiny. If the birth-time is correct he has the love in his own house, the first, and the diligent, subdued martial scrutiny in the house of ‘the other one’, the seventh house.
Letterman has in a rather precise manner the opposite situation: he too has Venus in Pisces, its romantic, self-sacrificial element, but he has mars on the zero point, at 0 Aries, which is the moment he takes signifiership away from Venus. So the moment the balance tipped from romance into the favor of the initiative, he received his first ‘zap’.
{“they”} be calling that as such.
This here piece be called the lecture under the palm tree.
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PostSubject: Re: VO clusterbomb VO clusterbomb Icon_minitimeFri Sep 25, 2015 3:52 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
My rather unfalsifiable claim of self knowledge was meant as a formal provocation, something a priest must do as part of initiation. I take this quite as seriously as you, and none of this is a result of your natural inhibition to give me even more power. Lol. But seriously, of course Im not pissed. I think it offends mainly Capable, Parodites being completely above it being serious or not, becaus Capable is the one who really nows what introspection is. But it is nonetheless contains an element of truth: I a privy to some secrets not all men have. Your refusal, Pezer, we shall hereonforth know as the pezerian refusal, or pezers refusal, part of the code of ehtics we instruct to every formal disciple. It is valuable information, and its interpretation is an act of ritual as you say, quite simply, the reading must do justice to the life, or it is an injustice.
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I hope you see the finesse of the distinction between knowledge and philosophy well enough to appreciate the effort I’ve made to keep the two separate for ten years. I have never let astrology influence my philosophy,but I had to devise a philosophy that could withstand it. I have kept mostly silent about this aspect of VO’s power until the moment when insight into Parodites thinking allowed me to bring it more synthetically into the realm of thought. Having waited ten years, I now act rashly and I need to assert the difference between the astrologer and the philosopher in a political project.
The philosopher sets values
the astrologer sets up the situation
the artist ‘goes to work’ ‘gets his hands dirty’
Philosophical insights are often moments of restraint, and recognition of qualities outside of oneself. But such is only possible if a picture of a larger coherence is within reach of anticipation - oversight. The Greeks had no name for him. Metametheus.