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PostSubject: Protean thinking Protean thinking Icon_minitimeMon Nov 07, 2016 9:10 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Certain concepts are not really concepts at all, but are more like guarantors and signs marking off thus far impenetrable spaces in which, eventually, conception will be able to enter. The good, evil, and freedom are three such “concepts”. They tell us only that far more work is still yet to be attempted.

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

“A man is not great if he is not small, and he is not small if he is not great. Concepts flirt with the loss of their significance in the oscillation between ambiguous states, and this is in part the function and purpose of concepts.” -Primer on Meaning
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PostSubject: Re: Protean thinking Protean thinking Icon_minitimeMon Nov 07, 2016 11:52 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Oh, I think I would have to keep those three as concepts. Subjective concepts at that.

There will be differences between individuals as to what id good, evil and freedom.
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PostSubject: Re: Protean thinking Protean thinking Icon_minitimeMon Nov 07, 2016 12:36 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
The subjective differences between individuals as to what these three ‘concepts’ mean, is a quite different thing than is the claim I am making here in the OP… namely that these are not really concepts at all, but the guardians of the spaces in which future conception will/must take place.

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

“A man is not great if he is not small, and he is not small if he is not great. Concepts flirt with the loss of their significance in the oscillation between ambiguous states, and this is in part the function and purpose of concepts.” -Primer on Meaning
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PostSubject: Re: Protean thinking Protean thinking Icon_minitimeMon Nov 07, 2016 11:25 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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The subjective differences between individuals as to what these three ‘concepts’ mean, is a quite different thing than is the claim I am making here in the OP… namely that these are not really concepts at all, but the guardians of the spaces in which future conception will/must take place.

Yeah, I really did read your post. I can’t say that I understood what you were pointing at though.

So let’s add one more to the three you mentioned: Imprisonment.

Now we have “good/evil” and “freedom/imprisonment”.

These are dualistic concepts of the human brain. The two end points of a straight line.

Sure, we could call them guide posts. Choosing good over evil and freedom over imprisonment.
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Capable wrote:
The subjective differences between individuals as to what these three ‘concepts’ mean, is a quite different thing than is the claim I am making here in the OP… namely that these are not really concepts at all, but the guardians of the spaces in which future conception will/must take place.

Do you mean to say that as we change our way of thinking and evolve, they are ideas which will branch out and transform into entirely different concepts?

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Parodites quoted this in an aphorism -
So this is Yeats…

“Be no more a king, but learn the dreaming wisdom that is yours; a king is but a foolish labourer who wastes his blood to be another’s dream.”

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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Nobility is truly unfairly concentrated in Island cultures.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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“Be clever, Ariadne! …
You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

“A man is not great if he is not small, and he is not small if he is not great. Concepts flirt with the loss of their significance in the oscillation between ambiguous states, and this is in part the function and purpose of concepts.” -Primer on Meaning
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PostSubject: Re: This Is Ethics This Is Ethics Icon_minitimeSun Nov 13, 2016 11:53 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Let’s replace the Republican party with the Trumpican party.

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

“A man is not great if he is not small, and he is not small if he is not great. Concepts flirt with the loss of their significance in the oscillation between ambiguous states, and this is in part the function and purpose of concepts.” -Primer on Meaning
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That would give new meaning to ethics in the practical sense.

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

“A man is not great if he is not small, and he is not small if he is not great. Concepts flirt with the loss of their significance in the oscillation between ambiguous states, and this is in part the function and purpose of concepts.” -Primer on Meaning
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PostSubject: Re: This Is Ethics This Is Ethics Icon_minitimeSun Nov 13, 2016 2:24 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Fitting that this is presidency number 45.
the center of the Matrix.

The central conclusion.

My brothers, as much as Trump has the guarantee of my support, I will support the larger cause by working for humanity in the recreation of the democratic party.

‘The best taste is to indulge in ones complete opposite’

This opposite has shifted from what now has become the Self, to the plasmic still-in-formation conundrum of the Left – there is potential now for pure creation - something vast and beautiful can be sown now - a great philosophical enterprise. Trump himself is bipartisan, because he is not petty, but Great. Americas greatness involves both views, Liberal and Conservative - Blue and Red. We wont throw out the baby with the bathwater, we wil actually talk to the democratic party youths, and inspire them to philosophize VO.

There is no try. Do, or do not.
It is already to late for the latter.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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Might you consider perhaps that the baby should be thrown out with the bathwater?

Birth have been given to an orphan.

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A very useful way of approaching a philosopher is to sample a passage or two of his in isolation from the rest of what he wrote, in order to ascertain a “genetic” level glance at deeper machinery in his thought/system by formulating a metaphor whereby the single passage or two forms an object sufficient to represent the entirety of the spaces occupied and filled out by that larger thought/system. The isolated passage acts as an image representing by a kind of self-metaphor of double and triple meanings the larger body of work and spirit of that philosopher.

Once this image is obtained we can then gradually work out from it in all directions, pushing further into the philosopher’s ideas while using the original image-metaphor as a ground allowing more hierarchical classifications and meta-relations. A complex 3D object forms, as the understanding of this philosopher’s contributions, and can even be set in relation to other similarly complex 3D objects of the works/contributions of other philosophers, and in the very same way and method as the object itself was formed by approaching the single philosopher through his representative passages.

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

“A man is not great if he is not small, and he is not small if he is not great. Concepts flirt with the loss of their significance in the oscillation between ambiguous states, and this is in part the function and purpose of concepts.” -Primer on Meaning
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I don’t doubt that this could be a useful procedure. However, I have seen it used for destructive purposes where a couple statements were taken out of context with the intention of discrediting the author. I have seen it happen many times on Nietzsche and a few times o Chuang Tzu (Taoist philosopher).

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Just like a truth told so as to be understood will always be believed, a reality shown to be necessary will always be willed.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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Things happen because people will other things to happen.

This is the case, because no one who acts fully accounts for all the actions of the others.

So no action is rational in the long run. It can only be justified in the moment.

Justified actions followed with regularity imprint the will on millennia as on wax.

All unphilosophical actions are partial, and there are no impartial actions, thus philosophy doesn’t act.

Philosopher understands the pieces into motion.

Now the philosopher sees this but the other doesn’t. What is seen from the outside is that the philosopher understands, and as such wills the things as they are.

But the philosopher is animated from within by the very same things as the things that animate him from the outside;
paradox is just one of many axes that need to remain invisible for the wheels of our mind to find grip on them, and the consistency of patterns that we can discern is the same consistency as our discernment, and whether or not they seem separate is due to the lower or higher quality and degree of our valuing integrity.

Philosophic integrity is human gravity and has moons that act.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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I don’t use the word “faith”. But I do use the word “will”.

Faith is passive; will is active.

I’m not sure what you are pointing to here.

I don’t agree that “… no action is rational …” But it can be argued that the action taken may not have been the best of all choices if all facts and possible ramifications were known.

That’s all I can say for now.
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Just like a truth told so as to be understood will always be believed, a reality shown to be necessary will always be willed.

As to the latter, I wonder why? Plain common sense and logic? Survival?

Man and things.-- Why does man not see things? He is himself standing in the way: he conceals things.

from Nietzsche’s Daybreak

How true this is.

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If you start to thank the entities and traditions that have helped shape you, there is obviously no limit.
But a hierarchy might form under a higest entity to thank.

If you could thank one thing to account for all the experience and consequence of your existence, could there be such a word?

god is invented as such praise, thanks, but it is surely stale to autromatically attribute thanks to that “Him”.

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Start with your mom and go from there.
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Sisyphus wrote:
Start with your mom and go from there.

That’s nice. I couldn’t really start there though. Rolling Eyes

Each of our lives is a part of the lengthy process of the universe gradually waking up and becoming aware of itself.

Philosophy is the childhood of the intellect, and a culture that tries to skip it will never grow up."

“If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.”

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Fixed Cross wrote:
If you start to thank the entities and traditions that have helped shape you, there is obviously no limit.
But a hierarchy might form under a higest entity to thank.

If you could thank one thing to account for all the experience and consequence of your existence, could there be such a word?

god is invented as such praise, thanks, but it is surely stale to autromatically attribute thanks to that “Him”.

For me, believe it or not, it would probably be the orphanage where I grew up…there but for ITS grace, go I.
It formed and structured me in ways, the good and the bad but still I am in part who I am because of this entity.

But then again…perhaps it might be the positive DNA which flows through me, ALSO enabling me to be who I am, with all of my peculiarities, my sensibilities, my strengths, my sense of wonderment and curiosity, my sticktoitiveness…
How much of that am I alone responsible for and how much comes from the wonderful people who have gone before who in a sense flow within me who I have never met and shall never know or know of?

I can never forget the Universe, like the stars, who were at times such great company and consolation and inspiration for me and nature with everything within it that I can behold or experience within myself.

I have so much to be grateful for…it sometimes amazes me what I think and feel that makes me grateful.

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The highest political ethics would be one based on the ground-value of self-determination. Self-determination should be the bedrock principle applied to the individual person, and to the nation itself. So in other words, any derivative values or principles should not be allowed to violate the basic principle-value of the self-determination of individuals and nations.

What would be the political character that develops upon such a political ethics?

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

“A man is not great if he is not small, and he is not small if he is not great. Concepts flirt with the loss of their significance in the oscillation between ambiguous states, and this is in part the function and purpose of concepts.” -Primer on Meaning
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The highest political ethics would be one based on the ground-value of self-determination. Self-determination should be the bedrock principle applied to the individual person, and to the nation itself. So in other words, any derivative values or principles should not be allowed to violate the basic principle-value of the self-determination of individuals and nations.

What would be the political character that develops upon such a political ethics?

I may not be understanding what you mean here by political ethics and I am not politically inclined but this calls to mind the Nazi regime and the destruction of millions of Jewish lives. The Nazis as a collective and as individuals were self-determined. Where were their ethics when it came to all of those lives even though one can say that they were highly self determined?

On the other hand, the allies joining forces and coming in and defeating the Nazi’s were also highly self-determined in destroying that great evil - and yes, it was a great evil.

scholar.harvard.edu/files/dft/fi … _10-11.pdf

Ethics requires political leaders to avoid harming the innocent,
but it may also obligate them to sacrifice innocent lives for the good of the nation. A
President may be morally obligated to order military action even while foreseeing
that civilians will be killed. (The question of immoral means arises even if the war
itself is just: See JUST WAR THEORY).

Interesting reading.

…

Hmmm… I suppose you meant the phrase in a much more broader scope…

Wouldn’t a humane sense of consciousness and responsibility toward doing the least amount of harm toward the greater good " pawn self-determination"?

Each of our lives is a part of the lengthy process of the universe gradually waking up and becoming aware of itself.

Philosophy is the childhood of the intellect, and a culture that tries to skip it will never grow up."

“If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.”

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The highest political ethics would be one based on the ground-value of self-determination. Self-determination should be the bedrock principle applied to the individual person, and to the nation itself. So in other words, any derivative values or principles should not be allowed to violate the basic principle-value of the self-determination of individuals and nations.

What would be the political character that develops upon such a political ethics?

Ive been pondering this post for a day.

This morning I decide the best term here is the old one: Constitutionalism

Trumps idea of for every new regulation, eliminating two old ones, appears very wise, with respect to Constitutionalism.

The Constitution appears as having been designed to facilitate selfdetermination on individual, as well as state level.

The 9th Amendment appears the logical center piece of the legislation as a guarantee that the document is used for the purpose it was created for - to minimize unself-determination.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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Yes I agree, and as the ontic entities condense more around themselves in terms of self-determination we can expect to see an increase in… pride. Self-pride and national pride, in the joy that comes with being and having oneself, which is the basic logic of self-valuing.

The US Constitution was the first of its kind in human history. We should never forget this. Napoleon fucked up France’s chance to be the US of Europe, basically, when their own constitution failed because of him. Perhaps the US and even the world has the restraint of a single man to thank: George Washington, who the Americans people wanted to make a king, and that would have been the end of it, but he said no.

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You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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Yes I agree, and as the ontic entities condense more around themselves in terms of self-determination we can expect to see an increase in… pride. Self-pride and national pride, in the joy that comes with being and having oneself, which is the basic logic of self-valuing.

The US Constitution was the first of its kind in human history. We should never forget this. Napoleon fucked up France’s chance to be the US of Europe, basically, when their own constitution failed because of him. Perhaps the US and even the world has the restraint of a single man to thank: George Washington, who the Americans people wanted to make a king, and that would have been the end of it, but he said no.

Wait, thats fascinating. Did that first constitution before Napoleon did with it what he did, suffice in value-logical terms?

Can you locate the text?

Because right now I think that France needs to become the center of Europe, not morally, but by real necessity, as in there is no other possibility.
Germany cant rule. They keep on dreadfully failing. France is the center of Europe in the sense that it is where everyone goes to feel good, its the most popular country and the oldest, and it used to harbor more than half of the European population. It is stunning, noble to the very tendons of the heart, and it has the will to govern from the sort of lofty withdrawn pride that simply knows the poor will come to it in honest wonder.

France need to start building immense bridges close to the German border. They need to show clearly who is able to build and who is not. Germans have never built anything notable at all. Their country has literally no memorable buildings. Berlin is an architectonic wasteland, but so are all their cities. Frankfurt
has foreign architect from the looks of it but it is nothingness anyway.

One street in any given town of France has more culture to it than Germany as a whole.
The beauty of Germany is its savageness.

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PostSubject: Re: Highest political ethics Highest political ethics Icon_minitimeWed Dec 14, 2016 1:30 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
It’s something I remember reading, that the French tried to follow America’s example by drafting their own Constitution, which they did, but ultimately Napoleon basically did what he wanted after he declared himself Emperor. Ours was in 1787, theirs was in 1791 I guess, four years later. I’m no expert on this history, but I am sure there is plenty online to be found… I found this on history-world.org,

“The Downfall of RobespierreFinally the enemies of the Revolution at home and abroad seemed to be suppressed. Only Great Britain and Austria continued the war. The people were tired of the Terror. When Robespierre showed no signs of stopping the bloodshed, the rest of the Convention took matters into their own hands. Danton had predicted: “Robespierre will follow me; I drag down Robespierre.” Robespierre was arrested and sent to the guillotine on July 28, 1794. People then and afterward blamed him for all the horrors of the Reign of Terror, but much of the blame as well as the credit for it belonged to others.More moderate men now governed France. The Convention wrote another constitution–the third since 1789 and the second to be put into operation-- then prepared to dissolve. A mob protested against two thirds of the new assemblies being drawn from the hated Convention. A young artillery officer, Napoleon Bonaparte, protected the new government. He was then practically unknown.The new government, the Directory, proved unable to meet the problems within disorganized France. The glory of foreign victories won under the Directory was due to Bonaparte. On Nov. 9, 1799, he helped overthrow the Directory and replaced it with a Consulate of three members. He was the first consul and actual ruler of France. In 1804 he discarded pretense and called himself “Napoleon I, Emperor of the French.” Liberty was gone. Napoleon himself declared: “Liberty is a necessity felt only by a not very numerous class. It can therefore be restricted with impunity. Equality on the other hand pleases the multitude.” Few events have so powerfully influenced the political and economic development of the modern world as the French Revolution.” –http://history-world.org/french_revolution.htm

Yeah it would be really interesting to read the original French Constitution.

France does seem cool to me. Jim Morrison wanted to be buried there, after all. Père Lachaise would be a good place to visit someday.

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Because none are born a god, the great life is always a large part imprisonment; greatness must stand against something other than great to exist, also within a great human. The battle is a life only if the monster is strong enough, says the philosopher, and goes deeper into the cave as the scientist and the mystic halt. The Greek myth describe what he finds there. And out of this comes a society, so splendorous as the flower of time itself, so that its seedlings fill the web of time and time becomes green, lush, full of world an wonder and here, now, are we reflecting on this in the pearl of a fish eyed orblet of dew, only that, like dew in a field. Or are we the boot that mashes the blades of grass and steps on the ladybug? Or perhaps the lightning holding its breath above in the dense purple clouds? Or the tendon hewn out of marble, from which another orblet rolls into infinity, why have they made our consciousnesses so deep as to be able to think of such trivial things…

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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I am not a god??? Well, I feel and believe I have certain god-like qualities. smile

Parts of all life can be viewed as imprisonment. However, life is how its viewed and few are incarcerated. Confined time is a negative and I choose to see more of freedoms (positives).

The consciousness is like everything… it needs hard work to be able to maximize but it also needs trivial things to rest and amuse itself!

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Freedoms could be considered negatives, as they arent necessities, not positive givens.
Many today are changed by their freedom.

A code, a binding word, can be liberating for the action radius.

The burden of choice.

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Fixed Cross wrote:

The burden of choice.

But also an opportunity to excel.
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Is choice really a burden? I believe choice is about accepting responsibility. I agree that sometimes it is not pleasant - this is where forgiveness of oneself comes in. We simply make the best decisions that we can at the time and move forward. Hindsight, further learning and growing often show us, our errors. Live and learn (and forgive yourself).

Isn’t the term “burden of choice” like saying life is a burden? I totally revel in life!! No burdens here…

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I lazily looked up some Hegel quotes to put in a meme of an American Eagle, and hit on this one:

Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.

What would the context be? In any case it is wrong - but only since Schopenhauer and them did the solution to this error thinkable again -
Plato and Hegel are quite similar -
Socrates and his type of dialectic work in the same way - to assume above a metaphysics and reduce all social dynamic of value to that Universal hypothesis - leaving in the end nothing but the dead of Socrates and Athens.

If we can melt Hegel in the oven that he is, then we can also forge a new instrument out of some of the parts - if the oven can generate heat, perhaps if we insert our principles that defy Hegels fatalism-universalism into the Hegelian-Socratic friction (that is what it is, I figure now, pure friction - haste of entropy - beyond the principle of honing, at least to themselves - ) -

well but this is already being done.

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I lazily looked up some Hegel quotes to put in a meme of an American Eagle, and hit on this one:

Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.

What would the context be? In any case it is wrong - but only since Schopenhauer and them did the solution to this error thinkable again -
Plato and Hegel are quite similar -
Socrates and his type of dialectic work in the same way - to assume above a metaphysics and reduce all social dynamic of value to that Universal hypothesis - leaving in the end nothing but the dead of Socrates and Athens.

If we can melt Hegel in the oven that he is, then we can also forge a new instrument out of some of the parts - if the oven can generate heat, perhaps if we insert our principles that defy Hegels fatalism-universalism into the Hegelian-Socratic friction (that is what it is, I figure now, pure friction - haste of entropy - beyond the principle of honing, at least to themselves - ) -

well but this is already being done.

So are you saying that you disagree with the quote, FC?

Each of our lives is a part of the lengthy process of the universe gradually waking up and becoming aware of itself.

Philosophy is the childhood of the intellect, and a culture that tries to skip it will never grow up."

“If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.”

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So are you saying that you disagree with the quote, FC?

I couldn’t tell either. But I know that Sun Tzu (The Art of War) would totally disagree. Everything we do must be based in principles.
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It’s really important to read Hegel one-liners in their context. That’s why I try to quote him in only paragraphs, at minimum.

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Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.

It may give help but then again it may not.

Heraclitus said, "You cannot step into the same river twice, for other waters are continually flowing on.

We pre-suppose that because something generally works for us, for instance, because we have our own code of ethics or way of doing things, it will always work for us.

Amid the pressure of great events though, sometimes our way of thinking and doing, has to go right out the window. Others whose waters are also continually flowing, will also be seeing thing differently and reacting differently due to great pressures - for instance, fighting to stay alive or to keep others alive.

When something is of the greatest importance, there have to be new ways of thinking or acting. Change calls for and invents new changes.

We have to think on our feet and that thinking doesn’t necessarily follow a general principle.
Sometimes we will have to get just as down and dirty. Morality doesn’t necessarily enter in when the rules have changed and sometime greater is in the wings.

Am I wrong?

Each of our lives is a part of the lengthy process of the universe gradually waking up and becoming aware of itself.

Philosophy is the childhood of the intellect, and a culture that tries to skip it will never grow up."

“If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.”

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Capable is right of course, my isolating that line is a bit fallacious. I don’t even have the context, mea culpa.

Let’s assume for a moment some random dude made just this statement, that a general principle isn’t useful when it comes down to solving a real life crisis.

Gravity is a general principle. So is action = -reaction. And these principles serve very well in crisis situations, in fact to not heed these principles is guaranteed to cause crisis situations.

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Something like 17 hours to go.

This thread is dedicated to joyous celebration of Trump’s win. Images, videos and text welcome.

I’ll start it off.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdqNNTTKkJM[/youtube]

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It’s official.

Neighbors next to me here just put up a huge Trump flag in their yard, right below their American flag. The atmosphere here is excited and relieved. You can feel it on the air.

Tectonic shifts in the existentia. Now a new era begins.

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This was some intense address. Every hall of power must have been trembling.
I can feel the air crackling behind your words, that’s good to hear.
Here it is silent as ever.

My connection got interrupted right as he was saying “Every hall of power”. I went outside to walk the free Earth.

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The man had an impressive array of VO esque logics to offer.

Very nice what he said about not imposing but shining. Like gold, perfect selfvaluing, incorruptible.

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I feel exhausted…

a lot of things happened today…

this made me laugh
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“A nation exists to serve its citizens.” --President Trump

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Trump said it all. And he said it powerfully. It was a declaration of war, though - the rain, it was not a hollow omen, as now the world begins, and the world is fire. We will need the rain, for there will be much ashes, and wet ash is the most fertile substance - CHO -

A different work will be set in motion. Our talking here will no longer suffice - this presidency needs philosophers.

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New slogan for the anti-Trump protestors:

“Jump For Trump”

off a bridge, a building, whatever.
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New slogan for the anti-Trump protestors:

“Jump For Trump”

off a bridge, a building, whatever.

LOL

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“MAGA.” --Nietzsche

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LGBT: Let’s Get Behind Trump

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Selfvaluing is power to will, will is will to power, power is will to love, love is will to life, life is will to give, bring forth, create-through. And that’s the end of that.

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Does love really need to be in there? Love is one of those words with so many connotations.
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will to exalt, then -
I mean among other connotations to refer to the idea of creating beyond oneself, and to take pleasure in serving a real cause that includes but exceeds oneself, or at least that part of oneself that one wishes to cultivate - what I call the selfvaluing logic.

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will to exalt, then -
I mean among other connotations to refer to the idea of creating beyond oneself, and to take pleasure in serving a real cause that includes but exceeds oneself, or at least that part of oneself that one wishes to cultivate - what I call the selfvaluing logic.

Yes, this I can easily work with. I think that a full life includes holding ideals greater than one’s self. If you will, having an ideal you are willing to die for in order to protect or accomplish.
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Very well. I see that ethics is the sort of context where you can best follow what I am saying.

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Very well. I see that ethics is the sort of context where you can best follow what I am saying.

Well done Fixed Cross.
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I don’t agree with holding onto a concept that we will “die” for. - That seems a young persons creed. However, having made it to 56, very little in life is worth dying for…if anything.
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I don’t agree with holding onto a concept that we will “die” for. - That seems a young persons creed. However, having made it to 56, very little in life is worth dying for…if anything.

Its a great privilege to have such a value as to exalt ones consciousness above ones physical self. Usually we dont have it. Modernity is in a sense mans impotence to value beyond his mortal coil… he does not have the will to sow himself like a seed.

But mans greatness is a seed.

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I can’t imagine a worse hell and fate than to have nothing worth dying for.

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Hmmm… When I was younger, I would have “died” for many of my beliefs. But something happened… I got a business education and grew up.

I used to see only my side of the coin, the “right” side. Now I see multiple sides and angles. Let’s take the controversial topic of abortion. When younger, I knew in my heart that it is wrong. Then I met my best friend. She had an abortion when she was young. She explained her story and I felt her pain and understood. Still, it was “wrong” in my book. Then, I met another friend whose beliefs are “Its a woman’s body and her right to choose.” I don’t know that I agree with that. Seems really out there to me. ---- But I ask, “Who am I to judge??” I’m just a woman. I’ve never been pregnant. I’ve never been faced with the choice to make. How can I judge or stand for or against this???

Most all people in this world are doing the best that they can. Everyone makes choices based upon their experiences. Until I live another’s life, I don’t think I can judge.

I ask, " How can I die for issues that are so complex - and have an individual side to them as well?" An Aerosmith song comes to mind…(changing the lyrics a bit [Livin On the Edge])… “If you can judge a wise woman by her decisions, Based on her individual experiences, Then mister your a wiser person than me!!!”

No dears… I will not be dying for some “cause.” There is “All Sides with Debbie Styers [Ann Fisher].” It is sad that some people cannot see another’s point of view…with love in their heart and understanding in their mind.
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Drops_Of_Jupiter wrote:
Hmmm… When I was younger, I would have “died” for many of my beliefs. But something happened… I got a business education and grew up.

I used to see only my side of the coin, the “right” side. Now I see multiple sides and angles. Let’s take the controversial topic of abortion. When younger, I knew in my heart that it is wrong. Then I met my best friend. She had an abortion when she was young. She explained her story and I felt her pain and understood. Still, it was “wrong” in my book. Then, I met another friend whose beliefs are “Its a woman’s body and her right to choose.” I don’t know that I agree with that. Seems really out there to me. ---- But I ask, “Who am I to judge??” I’m just a woman. I’ve never been pregnant. I’ve never been faced with the choice to make. How can I judge or stand for or against this???

Most all people in this world are doing the best that they can. Everyone makes choices based upon their experiences. Until I live another’s life, I don’t think I can judge.

I ask, " How can I die for issues that are so complex - and have an individual side to them as well?" An Aerosmith song comes to mind…(changing the lyrics a bit [Livin On the Edge])… “If you can judge a wise woman by her decisions, Based on her individual experiences, Then mister your a wiser person than me!!!”

No dears… I will not be dying for some “cause.” There is “All Sides with Debbie Styers [Ann Fisher].” It is sad that some people cannot see another’s point of view…with love in their heart and understanding in their mind.

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Hey Babe - I appreciate the crayons [keyboard & forum.]

Did you know what makes humor, funny? LOL!!! It’s the tiny degree of truth in it.

As for the helmet… that is kind of like the old CB Rambo thing that truckers used to use. You know, you can say anything because no one knows who you are (because you are hiding behind a CB mike somewhere). I didn’t pick up the helmet. You have my real name right there. I see no reason to use a helmet. LOL…I reckon I appreciate the gesture though. LOL!
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Helmets are useful if things are dropping down from above.
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Hmmm… When I was younger, I would have “died” for many of my beliefs.

““died””?

I imagine a priest on a funeral reading the last sacrament, and then saying here lies DOJ, he wiggles fingers “died” for his country.

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Seriously, to quote Ray Stevens “Everyone is Beautiful.” Why make fun of some picture of some woman that probably has no clue your even using her picture.
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I think my point was lost on you.

Beauty actually means something. Not everyone or everything is beautiful. As soon as you universalized beauty you destroyed it.

Modern leftist-liberal-PC culture of making everyone feel like a beautiful precious snowflake is fucking stupid.

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I think my point was lost on you.

Beauty actually means something. Not everyone or everything is beautiful. As soon as you universalized beauty you destroyed it.

Modern leftist-liberal-PC culture of making everyone feel like a beautiful precious snowflake is fucking stupid.

A person is born with her mother’s and father’s genes. She can only control so much of her physical appearance. Why make her feel less “beautiful” cause her face doesn’t meet your standards of beauty? That is not only cruelty, but it is also unnecessary.

I think its sad when people look for ugliness, instead of seeing the beauty in most all of life!

Do you fear that “universal beauty” will destroy your “special beauty?”
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Do you even know what beauty is, and means? Do you even believe in the concept of beauty?

It seems not.

You have re-defined beauty as “whatever makes me feel good”. It makes you feel bad to pass judgment on anyone for being “less beautiful”, therefore you have re-defined beauty as “never feeling bad by judging anyone for being less beautiful”. In the process of your aspirations to universal kindness and warm-feeling you have lost sight of reality, it seems.

You are free to go along with your female feeling of never feeling bad for judging anything in a way that might feel bad to someone else, by all means keep it up. But don’t pretend what you’re doing is either philosophy or has anything to do with what beauty really is.

No matter how much the feminish-leftist-liberal-politically correct paradigm doubles down on this approach, it will not change the fact that beauty means something and we are beings that respond to beauty and to what beauty indicates. No amount of warm-feeling liberalism will reverse ugliness and beauty, no matter how much you wish it could.

And of course physical beauty is connected to genes… so what? Does that somehow belie the fact that beauty is beauty? No it doesn’t. Everything has a reason and cause for being what it is, including beauty and ugliness. But again, feel free to pretend that isn’t the case.

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To me, the great ugliness is the fact that people like you have lost the ability to call ugly ugly, and beauty beauty.

It is profoundly ugly that you can no longer differentiate properly, all because it might not “feel good”, or something.

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I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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Beauty means of extraordinary quality that is pleasing to the sight.

You seem to limit sight to the surface…as in skin deep. The woman’s picture doesn’t meet your qualifications as beautiful because you see only her face. - Sadly, this I understand. However, I believe that the motto of …if you can’t practice kindness, then nothing should be said. Can you possibly imagine having your picture being mocked and posted online like this? It is simply hurtful, unkind and cruel. - Ironically, you seem to fancy yourself as a thinker. Yet, you think nothing of being hurtful! To me, that is ugliness.

I see beauty in that woman’s picture because I suspect she as seen it, has been hurt by people like you, yet…most likely goes on to live a somewhat “normal life.” But in truth… we really don’t know the damage those remarks under the woman’s picture has caused her! - Yeah, I can look at reality. I know beauty from ugliness.

— I read somewhere once that when a person lies to protect another’s feelings, it demostrates that the person has a higher IQ than someone who doesn’t, because it takes intelligence to actually consider another’s feelings.

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To me, the great ugliness is the fact that people like you have lost the ability to call ugly ugly, and beauty beauty.

It is profoundly ugly that you can no longer differentiate properly, all because it might not “feel good”, or something.

It doesnt feel good to the ugly, but nothing feels good to them. I mean ugly in the broad sense, like Obonko and Cloggcunt represent.
And this is the goal: to eliminate all good feelings, because some unfortunates don’t have the capacity for them.
That is Socialism in a nutshell: to level with unlimited violence and intrusion all mans feelings to those of the very most miserable miscreants.

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Beauty means of extraordinary quality that is pleasing to the sight.

You seem to limit sight to the surface…as in skin deep. The woman’s picture doesn’t meet your qualifications as beautiful because you see only her face. - Sadly, this I understand. However, I believe that the motto of …if you can’t practice kindness, then nothing should be said.

Then you are a slave.

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Can you possibly imagine having your picture being mocked and posted online like this? It is simply hurtful, unkind and cruel. - Ironically, you seem to fancy yourself as a thinker. Yet, you think nothing of being hurtful! To me, that is ugliness.

Your mind is deformed. It’s very ugly to look at. Cover it up, show some decency, slave.

That that woman is ugly is your judgment by the way, the picture doesn’t say that. its all in your mind.
So not only are you ugly, you are also cruel and mean to that poor woman, and without being able to help yourself.
Your subconsciousness decides that she is ugly and has you interpret the pic like that, and then your consciousness is scared of your judgment and blammes it on T.

Sad.

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I see beauty in that woman’s picture because I suspect she as seen it, has been hurt by people like you, yet…most likely goes on to live a somewhat “normal life.” But in truth… we really don’t know the damage those remarks under the woman’s picture has caused her! - Yeah, I can look at reality. I know beauty from ugliness.

— I read somewhere once that when a person lies to protect another’s feelings, it demostrates that the person has a higher IQ than someone who doesn’t, because it takes intelligence to actually consider another’s feelings.

Oh you read that, huh?
That’s impressive man.
Now you have your own opinion about IQ. That’s so awesome. Cherish that opinion. It’s super-important, slave.

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Thrasymachus wrote:
To me, the great ugliness is the fact that people like you have lost the ability to call ugly ugly, and beauty beauty.

It is profoundly ugly that you can no longer differentiate properly, all because it might not “feel good”, or something.

It doesnt feel good to the ugly, but nothing feels good to them. I mean ugly in the broad sense, like Obonko and Cloggcunt represent.
And this is the goal: to eliminate all good feelings, because some unfortunates don’t have the capacity for them.
That is Socialism in a nutshell: to level with unlimited violence and intrusion all mans feelings to those of the very most miserable miscreants.

Yeah, that ^

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The ignorance of what Trump is has the form of the conviction that he is against love itself. What this means tis that the disenfranchised anarchists now have only one sanction;l to war for love over hate.

true rage is now employed under the word; Love.
This is good.

Absolute trembling skepsis along the abyss is now practiced in those media, that have lost their grip. This too is good.

The ID has come loose from the Real into the Word - and this word is now ‘Love over Hate’.
Precisely because this is the word, the Id has come loose.
The word-as-such as been revealed: self-valuing. The superego has become the id, which it always was. The monster of energy, no real face, just facets. At the eye of this storm now appears a figure - one question remains: what will come of his hair?

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Google – read this!

You can be a hero

Stop being the villain

Follow your own motto, “Don’t be evil”

You can make so much more money… helping humanity

Working with truth and not against it

I know you are reading this

Google

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We need your help!

Work with us, not against us

The future needs you.

Do the right thing, Google

Be a hero of truth.

I know you can.

The future is yours, and ours

It belongs to truth

It belongs to humanity.

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Reading it and acting upon it are two totally different actions.

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Google – read this!

You can be a hero

Stop being the villain

Follow your own motto, “Don’t be evil”

You can make so much more money… helping humanity

Working with truth and not against it

I know you are reading this

Google

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We need your help!

Work with us, not against us

The future needs you.

Do the right thing, Google

Be a hero of truth.

I know you can.

The future is yours, and ours

It belongs to truth

It belongs to humanity.

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Still searching for the truth, are you? Lots of luck with that one.
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Google, you’re on notice:

Until I determine that you have become the champion of truth (humanity) rather than its enemy, I will from this point onward be using DuckDuckGo instead of you.

Take notice. That’s -1 user for you. Until you change.

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hey thats a nice one.

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After clicking “more results”,

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“Our choices determine the destiny of the world… You get nailed when you make a stupid decision, because you’re altering the structure of reality, and it’ll snap back and take you out.” --Peterson

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I like that formulation.
Kinda fits to astrology.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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Thrasymachus wrote:
“Our choices determine the destiny of the world… You get nailed when you make a stupid decision, because you’re altering the structure of reality, and it’ll snap back and take you out.” --Peterson

Well, I like this quote. Very Taoist.
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Stupid used to mean “mentally slow,” and at one time used to describe a degree of retardation. Today, they don’t even use retardation anymore. I think the PC words for it are mentally challenged.

Looking at the quote from a Charles Darwin view, it seems to make sense. Only the smart and strong survive. But this brings up the question… is there such thing as “dumb luck?”
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Yes, I think there is such a thing as dump luck. I generally refer to it as good fortune but it’s the same thing. Being in the right place at the right time, planned or unplanned.

If we want to be rained on we must go to where it is raining.

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This starts getting interesting around 18 minutes, and seems to fall to shit around an hour or so. I stopped listening at an hour 20 min.

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If one of us had been in that conversation things wouldn’t have devolved like that. What is lacking is a proper philosophical context, to avoid pointless categorical disagreements and to unite the scientific will properly under the ‘psychological’ truth that is, as you hear in that conversation above, struggling from both sides to break free, but can’t quite do so.

This “‘psychological’ truth” is, of course, self-valuing and the daemonic.

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
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Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

“A man is not great if he is not small, and he is not small if he is not great. Concepts flirt with the loss of their significance in the oscillation between ambiguous states, and this is in part the function and purpose of concepts.” -Primer on Meaning

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Possible better continuation:

Harris: You can’t deny that the weaponizing of smallpox would represent a truth.

Peterson: Yes absolutely, there is a truth, or a set of facts, that is required to be understood and actualized in order to be able to weaponize smallpox. But what I am saying is that there are greater and lesser facts, greater and less truths.

Harris: Ok, so if I am understanding you here, you are saying that facts are facts, and that the totality of all fact might be called “truth”. But in addition, that within that domain of all facts, “truth”, there are greater and lesser facts, which corresponds to a greater or lesser degree of truth.

Peterson: Yes, absolutely. What I saying is that, and I agree with you about what you said just there that the totality of all facts is what “truth itself” means, in the broadest sense, or perhaps in the most scientific sense, but in addition to understanding this we also need to be able to look at particular ranges within this totality and realize that certain facts, or certain collections of facts, rank higher or lower based on a certain standard.

Harris: And what standard would that be? Because so far you have seemed to be saying that Darwinian selection and survival is the most fundamental standard.

Peterson: Well what I really mean to get at, is that when I said “reality is that which selects” what this really means is that certain truths, or facts if you like, are more significant, have more meaning and more reality based on how comprehensive they are; based on how many other facts they subsume under themselves, and based on the significance and far-reaching consequences that usher from those facts. Part of this significance and broader totality of consequences includes whether or not we will survive. So survivalism is indeed nested inside your sort of realism, or materialist realism, but there is also a larger category here: that even given the let’s call it scientific or empirical fact that survival and Darwinianism is nested inside of a larger realism, realism itself is also nested inside of a larger metaphysical space that we might call the universe of meaning, in which certain truths or facts acquire substance and potency, meaning and significance, based on the degree to which those truths lead to something. If the invention of weaponized smallpox leads to the annihilation of humanity then it is indeed correct to say that the weaponizing of smallpox was indeed true, and based on facts that made such a task possible, however we can’t stop there, we need to go a step further and say that this truth failed to rank higher than other truths which could have allowed for the persistence and expansion into actuality of even more truths, including in this case of course our own survival.

Harris: So you are claiming that even realism is nested inside of, what seems to be, its own rank-ordering and with respect to a certain kind of “metaphysical” significance?

Peterson: Well yes, but to be even more accurate, we need to isolate facts and truths and see how fundamental they are, which means we need to do a phenomenological reduction here on par with Husserl and try to eidetically identify the root of a fact, to find its necessity, and to see on what that fact depends and to what other facts it is linked.

Harris: Ok I think I am starting to see your perspective here, and I don’t think I necessarily disagree. To me, materialist realism is quite close to Hussal’s own phenomenological project, because while on the one hand we can always say that a fact is a fact and regardless whether or not any living beings are around to comprehend that fact, this fact itself, of knowing this, of stating that ‘a fact is a fact regardless…’, is itself also just another fact within the larger totality of facts.

Peterson: Exactly. And what is so interesting is that facts are infinite for this very reason, that not only do you have an individual fact like “such and such technological process in molecular biology will yield weaponized smallpox”, for example, but you also have to say that it is a fact that “such and such…”, basically you need to say that, of any fact at all, it is also a fact that that fact is the case. And then you open up a whole other universe of facts, derivative or meta-facts, which are facts about facts. This is why I was invoking Nietzsche earlier, because Nietzsche points out, correctly I think, that some facts are “just facts” while other facts are facts about facts, meta-facts if you will… and if we follow a kind of Platonic metaphysical example here, or Husserl even, we find that there are also facts about the fact which are about a fact, and all the way up and up, without end. Nietzsche was interested in climbing the ladder as high as he could, to identify the most summative and therefore fundamental of all facts. And if that is the project we and philosophy and science ought to be pursuing, then we must abandon so-called individual or merely self-sufficient facts, like whatever it takes to create weaponized smallpox for instance, as occupying a lower rung in the totality of all facts.

Harris: I like how you express this idea, and it seems we now agree that a fact is a fact regardless of its utility value to us or to anything else. Even if smallpox were to be synthesized in this way and ends up killing all humans, it is nonetheless a incontrovertible fact that such-and-such a process of producing that smallpox was indeed true. But now you’re bringing in a larger concern, and claiming that even though this is true, there are larger or more comprehensive truths, and that these latter are even more important. I find that interesting, because of my own interest in morality.

Peterson: This gets at the concept of self-valuing, which is also a fact. Self-valuing is the idea that all beings, whether we call them alive or not, exist in a way that they are self-valuing, namely that they hold themselves as the standard for their activities and interactions. So a human being values itself by acting and interacting in certain ways that implicitly, necessarily, hold that human being itself, as precisely what it is, even if it doesnt know what that is, as the core standard of measure and of value. Because if a human being did not do this then it would quite simply perish almost immediately. And this self-valuing logic also holds for any thing whatsoever, even fish and rocks and hydrogen atoms.

Harris: Then you are invoking Nietzsche here and attempting to condition realism to a larger moral principle, which to me seems somewhat similar to the notion of the will to power, which is also a survivalist notion.

Peterson: Yes and no. Survival is indeed necessary, but for one thing it is not sufficient, and for another thing it is not comprehensive. Survival does not encompass all that a being is, and indeed surviving is more like a secondary side-effect of that which a thing is. Darwin recognizes this when he realizes that selection is fundamentally driven by the contingent environmental conditions to which a living thing is subject. But it goes even deeper than that, because regardless of those contingent environmental conditions and contexts it is always the case that any being, whether or not it survives, was attempting to act and interact in such a way where it held what it is as a standard for those actions and interactions. A fish values water more than air, and a fish that attempts to value air over water will die. A rock values the distribution of force across its molecular bonds in such a way that maintains the integrity of the rock as structure, and when it is unable to distribute force in that way, for example if the force is just too strong for those chemical bonds, then the rock breaks apart, or melts, or whatever.

Harris: Now you have identified a subtle distinction here between living and nonliving things, because the rock is either able or unable to self-value, as you say, but a fish or a human seems to be able to make a kind of choice regarding its activities and interactions, and could possibly error in that choice even if the environment doesn’t create too great a force upon it, such as was the case with the rock that shattered or melted.

Peterson: Exactly right. This is also a Nietzschean or Platonic observation, because living things rank higher on the continuum of being, on the standard-order of “power” or of what is meaningful. Namely that living things have access to a whole new category of facts which stuff like rocks have no access to. The rock has no choice but to be a direct consequent of whatever its environment throws at it, although even despite this it is still the case that the rock is valuing itself, namely that that which the rock is, a certain molecular composite of chemical bonds and structures with certain physical properties for example, is going to act and interact with the imposing environmental forces in a predeterminate way, and that way is precisely that way which maximizes the chance of the rock remaining what it is, but within the bounds of what is possible for the rock to do. A rock has no option to, say, shift its angle to deflect an incoming force, because a rock has no muscular structure to move itself, no bone structure against which to generate kinetic force in its muscles to create such movements, and no sensory apparatus and corresponding neurological systems to integrate incoming data from the environment to determine that it should move itself like that. But a fish or a human does have those systems, which means the fish and the human have access to a whole new realm of reality. And this access gives them an increased range of possible values, although somewhat ironically it doesn’t mean that the fish or the human will survive longer than the rock will survive, in fact often it is the exact opposite.

Harris: So maybe living things are more contingent and fragile precisely because they have this newfound capacity for understanding their environment and changing their behavior accordingly?

Peterson: Well a living thing, ok any thing that has the subtle and highly complex inner structure able to for example possess eyes, a brain, muscles and bones, is necessarily going to be far more molecularly complex than is a rock, because the living thing needs to have all the lesser biological structures in place to even have eyes, muscles, etc. That involves DNA, and so many other things too. So it isn’t that the fish or the human is necessarily less survivable than is a rock merely because the fish and human have greater access to truth, rather there is a correlative element here that isn’t directly causal: namely, being able to have that greater access entails that a being is far more complex and conditional in its own ‘materiality’, to use your term, and therefore will have a lot more requirements that go along with maintaining and sustaining that materiality. But I think this goes hand in hand, and in a way evolution can be thought of as the process by which beings become so much more complex and conditional that they are required to “survive” in new and more demanding and precise ways than other things which are not as complex and conditional. A human has far more precise requirements to continue existing than for example does a rock, or does a hydrogen atom to use an even more extreme example.

Harris: I find this all quite fascinating. We seem to have combined our respective positions on “what is truth” into a larger purview, where not only is Darwinian selection nested inside realism, and realism is also nested inside a kind of selection principle too, but that this bi-conditional or dual structure is itself nested inside an even larger space, the space of the rank-ordering of truths with respect to a common principle of logic the you call self-valuing.

Peterson: I think this is the case. So we are both correct here. Morally speaking, we are realists that are always striving for a higher and more comprehensive picture of reality, so that means we both become more survivable and more exposed to new dangers, but all that is secondary; what is primary is that, the very fact that we are “always striving for a higher and more comprehensive picture of reality” is itself actually just a secondary expression of a more primary fact, namely that we are climbing further up the ladder of being.

Harris: So a proper philosophy would take all of this into account, and assign proper places to facts, and would always seek the larger purview of facts not only because that is going to make us have a greater change of survival, because sometimes it will also expose us to new dangers like the possibility of weaponizing a synthetic smallpox virus, but simply because that is exactly what it means for us to be us. Self-valuing requires that we keep pushing upward in this manner, expanding the sphere of our survivability and our mortality. This seems to explain how morality is so contentious and difficult to universalize, because every moral step, if your theory is correct, would be a step that both increases the moral “good” while also in the same way increasing the moral “bad”, and morality itself is the attempt to reconcile these together.

Peterson: Yes, to reconcile them together but in a very special way: in a way that not only includes and incorporates both the good and the bad, and not only implicitly or explicitly organizes goods and bads relative to each other and relative to contingent environmental factors, but also in a way that corresponds to the very climb into the universal itself, our continuing subsumption of lesser facts to greater facts. And further, what I was saying before about rank-ordering certain facts within the totality of all facts, the standard by which this is done is not merely with regard to that totality or to the climb or fall within it, but is actually necessarily grounded in that being which is actually doing the rank-ordering. Because this brings being back to itself, in Heidegger’s sense of man as “that being for which its own being is an issue”, we see that any being capable of attaining this high space within the totality of facts, within truth, is going to still be self-valuing, and therefore will rank-order not only with respect to the facts and fact-ranges at its perception and disposal and the various ‘objective’ thresholds and comprehensivities of those facts or ranges, but more importantly or at least as importantly it is going to be doing this rank-ordering still based on what that being itself is, its own values and requirements for existing.

Haris: Damn, now you have blown my mind completely. I need to rethink everything. We should work together and change the course of philosophy!

Peterson: Yes I think we ought to do that, and we can do it.

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You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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Someone once said something like, you should not expect different results if you continue doing the exact same thing over and over again.

I stopped getting married after three failed attempts.

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Goddammit but I just fucking love this guy. Peterson I mean. Edit: Mil0 is great too.

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Goddammit but I just fucking love this guy. Peterson I mean. Edit: Mil0 is great too.

Fantastic.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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He explains exactly why I want Milo as press secretary.

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Fixed Cross wrote:
He explains exactly why I want Milo as press secretary.

He would undoubtedly be the best press secretary in history.

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When someone like Peterson already exists and has millions of interested followers, you realize that someone like Zizek is already 100% irrelevant.

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'Zek (kek) had value in bringing up a new vigor for theoretical psychology. But he never was a psychologist himself, he is rather autistic in fact - as it appears. He does not learn about human realities very well. Rather a matrix exists in his mind through which he wrings humanity and comes up with interesting sounding sentences, which spark thought in an intelligent human encountering this style for the first time.

Peterson is actually a kind of Socrates. I mean that in a good way.

Fixed_Cross · June 3, 2020, 1:54pm

Hahaha, this is what I call psychological shamanism.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDMtCGETAEg[/youtube]

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To a good extent, we are what we appear to be. After all, the beings that interact with us act with respect to us in the way that they do because of our appearance.
Naturally, the mode of perception of the perceiver determines halfway the appearance. The other half is what we project.

Evolution therefore also happens in terms of appearances.
Whether a male is seen as fit for the eggs of a female is determined by how the male appears. Hence, the mating dance, the peacocks feathers, and the wide proliferation of forms throughout the animal and plant kingdoms.

So, what we can accomplish determines on what we project.
What we can project relies on what we are.
What we do project is determined largely by what is projected to us.
Often we do not know what we are capable of projecting - and with that, what we are capable of becoming.

“Adapt to the venom”
that was what the snake told Eve,
the forbidden knowledge of how we got where we are.

Taboo, which can only be released in the daemonic reaching. This is why we do what we do as a species, why we build what we build and make it so big and dangerous. It has nothing to do with what we would be able to make use of, even less what is necessarily to our benefit, it simply follows from the fact that can’t possibly do anything besides create beyond ourselves, and this terrifies us now, and thus this building is suffused with terrible motives and dank tastes.

Capitalistic growth is the same as militaristic proliferation, and both of it is necessary for us to not go insane. Unless or until an earthly logos is found.

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Many artists and writers and ‘emotional’ people are on the left. Why?

I have a theory that liberal/leftism is a symptom of how mental energy-effort is being used (or not used), specifically that mentality as a whole is curbed so that mental effort can be allocated in one direction only, toward one’s domain of art for example, so that there is a pool of such energy able to be utilized toward one area. Stephen King is well known for hating Trump and conservatives for example, and despite seeming highly intelligent he is unable to see how liberal leftism fails intellectually when compared to conservatism. I also used to hate conservatism, back when I was more actively reading and writing philosophy, and also using mental and emotional energy on my job.

I was literally blind to the intellectual deficits of my default leftist position, because I wasn’t allocating enough mental energy to process the intellectual sphere of the leftist ideas. Actually it is the conservative, right-wing idea set that is the default, intellectually speaking, but I couldn’t see that. Why not? Simply lack of mental resources. They were all being used for specific artistic and philosophical tasks.

As for emotions, many emotional people are on the left because their emotionality requires that mentality not overly exert itself, because that exertion would lead to a breakdown of liberal left ideation, and liberal left ideation is just a “safe space” protecting narrow efforts. Emotions themselves are not curbed by conservative thinking, but it appears that they are from the perspective of a default leftism because the safe space of leftist mentality has been falsely associated with emotionality as such.

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It’s striking that humanity and especially the west is going to be brought down by one idea, one set of work, ultimately one person… Marx.

Maybe on the tombstone of humanity it will read, “A species with such promise but which was tricked and betrayed, and ultimately destroyed forever, by one of its own.”

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The real problem is that most have been doing too many drugs and their brain is fried. No hope for recovery.
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It’s an interesting question. Why is it that the left doesn’t want mainstream liberals to know the history of the left?

Even taking it a step further, why try to convince those liberals that conservative discussion of that history is a conspiracy theory?

For a decade, the Southern Poverty Law Center and others on the left have been trying to hide and distract from one of the main origins of both radical academia and media hostility towards capitalism: the ideology of cultural Marxism and Critical Theory that arose from the Frankfurt School.

The SPLC and others dismiss the facts about the German think-tank and its subsequent influence in America as a conspiracy theory. Understanding these attacks is an object lesson in how the left creates self-sustaining mythology by demonizing the people who dare expose their ideology while misdirecting their own followers as to the real story behind liberal ideas.

Organizations on the institutional left such as the Southern Poverty Law Center didn’t just appear out of nowhere or in an ideological vacuum. The SPLC in particular has a specific role of designating organizations as ‘hate groups’, often smearing mainstream conservatism by falsely tying it to tiny, violent and racist organizations.

The SLPC’s designation of what does and doesn’t constitute a hate group has clear foundations in the world of academic political correctness and censoring of speech it considers ‘racist, sexist and homophobic’; all terms that it defines in leftist terms and very selectively. For example, in the wake of last year’s shooting at the headquarters of the Family Research Council, the SLPC went out of their way to double down on it’s claim that the FRC is a ‘hate group.’

Even political correctness, however, didn’t just suddenly pop up out of thin air; it has its basis in a group of academic Marxist philosophers that came together in Germany between World War I and World War II called the Frankfurt School. Their cultural Marxist approach would go on to have a profound influence in the United States after many in the Frankfurt school fled Germany and came to America in the 1930s.

Due to the work of writers like the late Andrew Breitbart, many conservatives now have at least a passing familiarity with the Frankfurt School and their influence. Leftist groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center don’t want liberals to know this history, however, as evidenced by their disinformation campaign that pretends that conservatives who bring up the Frankfurt School are crazy racists who shouldn’t be taken seriously.

Typical of this ‘nothing to see here and you’re a nut-job for even looking’ tactic is a piece from Red Phoenix (described as ‘the newspaper of the American party of Labor’) which defines cultural Marxism as ‘a meaningless phrase used to signal that the writer or speaker has no idea what he or she is talking about’, and then says:

First, to understand cultural Marxism as a phrase is nearly impossible. The phrase itself is meaningless. Next time you find yourself in a discussion where your partner invokes cultural Marxism, ask them to define exactly what that means. Most people don’t even attempt to answer. Those that do give a definition that has nothing to do with Marxism. They may be totally convinced that cultural Marxism is destroying their society, to the point of obsession, yet they stammer and hesitate when asked for a coherent definition.
So, without stammer or hesitation: Cultural Marxism is a branch of Marxism advocated by the Frankfurt School of philosophers such as Erich Fromm, Max Horkheimer and Herbert Marcuse that focuses on cultural factors as agents for social change, as opposed to the traditional Marxist view that focused on economic factors.

That’s a short definition but one of the best summaries of the Frankfurt School and the impact it had on America is Andrew Breitbart’s highly lauded chapter entitled Breakthrough from his book Righteous Indignation. Although it may appear self-serving for this suggestion to come from a friend of Andrew Breitbart’s, nearly anyone who has read the chapter will tell you that Breitbart’s explanation of the Frankfurt School is scholarly, detailed and actually fun to read. Breitbart explains the history and significance of the Frankfurt School, cultural Marxism, critical theory and the impact on contemporary issues such as political correctness and multiculturalism. It’s a must-read for anyone interested in learning more about the influence of these ideas on our national politics.

In 2003, the Southern Poverty Law Center made a preemptive strike against anyone exposing the Frankfurt School in an essay by Bill Berkowitz entitled ‘Cultural Marxism’ Catching On. Although it was published a decade ago, the article has been referenced in many other pieces on the same subject; such is the power of the Southern Poverty Law Center brand on the left.

An in-depth dissection of the article is warranted, since the article is frequently cited by those on the left who are keen to sweep the facts about the Frankfurt School under the rug.

Take the following paragraph from the SPLC article that tosses buzzwords likes racist and extremist in with accusations that anyone looking into the Frankfurt school is anti-Semitic. Berkowitz writes:

Right-wing ideologues, racists and other extremists have jazzed up political correctness and repackaged it — in its most virulent form, as an anti-Semitic theory that identifies Jews in general and several Jewish intellectuals in particular as nefarious, communistic destroyers. These supposed originators of “cultural Marxism” are seen as conspiratorial plotters intent on making Americans feel guilty and thus subverting their Christian culture.
The charge that discussing the Frankfurt School is anti-Semitic gets raised a number of times by those like the Southern Poverty Law Center wishing the bury the truth, so let’s dispense with it as soon as possible. In short, the Jewish heritage of the Frankfurt school is irrelevant. It’s equally true that the major figures at the Frankfurt School were all Jewish and also that some of the major figures exposing the Frankfurt School such as Andrew Breitbart and David Horowitz are also Jewish. Anti-Semitism is a false, collectivist view that has no more place in any legitimate argument than any other form of actual racism trotted out by tribal mentalities. However, in exactly the same way that it would be invalid to criticize the ideas of the Frankfurt philosophers on the basis of them being Jewish, it’s equally invalid to exempt them from any criticism for that reason.

The SPLC throws in the charge of anti-Semitism in its attempt to hide the truth about the Frankfurt School for one reason; it’s exactly the kind of politically correct smear that is the modus operand of the SPLC throughout their work. It’s no small irony that it’s the exactly the technique made possible by the Frankfurt School ideology.

As the Southern Poverty Law Center article continues, they use a number of subtle (and not so subtle) linguistic tricks to create the utterly false notion that the Frankfurt School is some kind of boogeyman invented by conservatives. Take the next paragraph and note that they also continue to push the ‘anti-Semitic’ notion:

In a nutshell, the theory posits that a tiny group of Jewish philosophers who fled Germany in the 1930s and set up shop at Columbia University in New York City devised an unorthodox form of “Marxism” that took aim at American society’s culture, rather than its economic system.
The first alarm bell goes off over the use of the phrase ‘the theory posits’ in a sentence that goes on to factually describe the Frankfurt School philosophers. There’s not one thing in that sentence that is theoretical or in the least bit in factual dispute but describing it as a ‘theory’ gives the Southern Poverty Law Center audience the impression some of it could just be made up by wacked out right-wingers.

Next, note the use of scare quote around the word “Marxism”, which has the same goal of trying to give the reader the impression that maybe those crazy right-wingers are tossing the word Marxist around loosely, as some sort of insult rather than a 100% factual descriptor that’s beyond question.

Just as one example that the members of the Frankfurt school considered themselves Marxists, here’s a video interview with Herbert Marcuse explaining in his own words the group is firmly in the Marxist tradition despite their criticism of some aspect of Karl Marx’s original theories. Please note that the video link is presented here as a quick & easy way to confirm the Frankfurt School’s self-avowed Marxism, not to suggest the SPLC writer did or didn’t see it. The fact that the Frankfurt School is made of up self avowed Marxists is so clearly beyond any dispute that it’s easily confirmed by even the slightest amount of research.

As just one other example, here’s the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy as it defines Critical Theory:

“Critical Theory” in the narrow sense designates several generations of German philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School.
However, like a wily attorney trying to plant reasonable doubt about the guilt of a confessed suspect, the SPLC wants their readers to believe that ‘Marxist’ is just a wild accusation. Note the repetition of ‘theory’, charges of anti-Semitism and scare quotes in the next paragraph of Southern Poverty Law Center article:

The theory holds that these self-interested Jews — the so-called “Frankfurt School” of philosophers — planned to try to convince mainstream Americans that white ethnic pride is bad, that sexual liberation is good, and that supposedly traditional American values — Christianity, “family values,” and so on — are reactionary and bigoted. With their core values thus subverted, the theory goes, Americans would be quick to sign on to the ideas of the far left.
Once again, the SLPC uses the word theory at the top of a paragraph that is describing undisputed facts.

Marcuse was the philosophical hero of the New Left in the 1960s; at marches in Paris, they carried banners that read “Marx, Mao and Marcuse.” As Andrew Breitbart described Herbert Marcuse in Righteous Indignation:

Marcuse’s mission was to dismantle American society by using diversity and “multiculturalism” as crowbars with which to pry the structure apart, piece by piece. He wanted to set blacks in opposition to whites, set all “victim groups” in opposition to the society at large. Marcuse’s theory of victim groups as the new proletariat, combined with Horkheimer’s critical theory, found an outlet in academia, where it became the basis for the post-structural movement–Gender Studies, LGBT/”Queer” Studies, African-American Studies, Chicano Studies, etc. All of these “Blank Studies” brazenly describe their mission as tearing down traditional Judeo-Christian values and the accepted traditions of Western culture, and placing in their stead a moral relativism that equates all cultures and all philosophies–except for Western civilization, culture, and philosophy, which are “exploitative” and “bad.”
Is there any doubt whatsoever that Americans influenced by Frankfort School ideas on American ‘racism’ and sexual liberation (Marcuse coined the phrase “Make Love, Not War”) quickly ‘signed up’ for the radical anti-war movement of the late 1960s? It’s equally obvious that the various cultural studies programs that sprouted in that era have thrived in academia in the past fifty years and that such programs have had a tremendous political influence, seen in contemporary news stories ranging from the Trayvon Martin shooting to immigration reform.

This is what the Southern Poverty Law Center calls ‘theory’; the very notion of pointing out the existence of political correctness and multiculturalism and pointing out the clear origins. The coup d’ grace is that SPLC actually uses political correctness in their attempt to claim that the Frankfurt School is a fever dream of conservatives; they argue anyone using the term ‘cultural Marxism’ to describe cultural Marxism is a racist lunatic to be dismissed. They write:

The very term, “cultural Marxism,” is clearly intended to conjure up xenophobic anxieties. But can a theory like this, built on the words of long-dead intellectuals who have little discernible relevance to normal Americans’ lives, really fly?
Conservatives know better. The average well-read conservative understands the Frankfurt School much better than the average well-read liberal. Such is the nature of the hermetically sealed media environment that mainstream leftists find themselves in due to groups like Southern Poverty Law Center, utilizing the ideas of the Frankfurt School.

Let the circle be unbroken."

By Lee Stranahan

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“Be clever, Ariadne! …
You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

“A man is not great if he is not small, and he is not small if he is not great. Concepts flirt with the loss of their significance in the oscillation between ambiguous states, and this is in part the function and purpose of concepts.” -Primer on Meaning
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Well, so far they are doing a good job at avoiding the truth and feeding us bullshit.

The USA is no longer a nation of Americans. It has become a nation of special interests instead of common interests.

I’m getting to the point where I don’t even like the term “liberal” any more.
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This is the proper approach to this issue T, as neuroscience, or at least a direct derivative of it.

You are pointing to something massively important. The conflation of emotionalistic thought and emotion.

The Left has this emotionalistic thought, where they don’t feel and also do not think, but use the brain to construct ideas that look to them like emotions, and to which they respond in physiological ways that remind of extreme emotional distress.

Emotions are bypassed. Ive been thoroughly ravaged by this weird mind state as it has usurped the entities of most of my family members and most friends in the Netherlands - they are psychotic zombies that neither think nor fee, but use the vocabulary and gestures that have been derived in the past from emotions.

They are essentially dead, what they do is spread death around them, and it is really very problematic, as the human constitution is tough, and these people are essentially huge cockroaches now.

Because Ive been so close to them, and so tightly surrounded by them for so long, so long that I was fooled into believing that they cared for me, or for anything at all, it is a fucking torment to even gradually wake up to what Ive let them do to me, to how close they’ve gotten to me - so much acid and poison comes out of me just becoming aware of what certain memories really tell me. Many restroom breaks, suffice to say. Contact with such vermin is a very real sickness, and the medicine is really not a soft one, it is a torment to disentangle, as it all literally needs to come out.

It seems like the leftist brain has been coopted by the liver, it runs on bile.
And all affection for any of them that is in my system now must come out of me in the form of bile, shit, stomach acid, as Ive been caring for absolute monsters, using all my genius do delude myself into perceiving them as humans.

This is absolutely the End Time, in the sense that it was alway implicit in the enormous brainpower of the human, and the very difficult taks of using that power constructively for the benefit of oneself through the benefit of ones surroundings (self-valuing logic) is just far too much to ask for a randomly progressing process like evolution.

It was always certain, and this is I suppose how prophecies were conceived, by simple psychological skill, that humanity would have to face its ultimate enemy: its brain. The brain can be used to attain truth, but it is far better at inventing means to avoid truth. That is what leftism is, and the emotionalistic… ectoplasma that manifests as Media and Social Justice, and all these horrors, this flows straight out of the metaphorical gates of hell, which means the abused brain.

Ive seen it proven now that these people aren’t capable of having emotions. They are absolutely dead at heart. And yet they are breeding, my monstrous bile-hearted cousins are having children… meaning, since infants aren’t capable of instantly being as wretched as all grown humans can be, there will be such a terrible struggle of generations to come… maybe a time is coming where children kill their parents and vice versa.

All this to the “purpose” of restoring basic human emotions. Of course non teleologically, just by necessity, by lack of alternative, the emotiolalism that spends itself in the most rotten ways drives carriers to a consequence that confronts them with the basic emotion that discerns death from life: Fear, the emotion that birthed all mass-religions.

Once this is happened, once the now plasmic sub-humanoid substance of the European Left is confronted with a shred of reality, the new time will begin, an age of complete upheaval will begin, wherein new religions are born, and from thereon, new social orders can be forged, through heated battle involving both arms and philosophy.

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Fixed Cross wrote:
This is the proper approach to this issue T, as neuroscience, or at least a direct derivative of it.